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Captain.Dan V2
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 Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:38 am Servitude / Slavery (not sure what to call it) |
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A terrible thing but should it be allowed.
If slavery was allowed homeless poeple could be sold as slaves this way they get a roof of some sort over their head and some food in their stomach.
Obviously this is an bit of a wierd idea but what do you think ????
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Puck
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| Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:42 am |
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People are people, they are not property.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:44 am |
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I agree. The fight against slavery was won ages ago thank goodness. Slavering people is just so inhuman well if I misspelled something sorry.
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Captain.Dan V2
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| Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:47 am |
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Although thats true if people agree to slavery.
Look at it this way:
Your homeless,
Jobless,
and broke.
If you could have a roof over your head and 3 square meals aday would you not be willing to serve other poeple not matter what they wanted ????
OBVIOUSLY WITH RULES INVOLVED - people have rules they must follow not like the old days when Slaves were treated in anyway their masters wanted them to be
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Leo Wyatt
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| Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:51 am |
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I seriously doubt they would want to be slaves. If I was a homeless, I rather die than to be a slave but that's just me and my opinion.
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Captain.Dan V2
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| Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:53 am |
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Maybe I'm being Nieve but I think with the right rules and guidelines Slavery could be ok
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Puck
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| Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:55 am |
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If they were like a maid or butler, or something like that then yes, if it followed all of this criteria:
*They are not considered property.
*They are not being forced to work or do anything against their will.
*They are not "bought" or "sold".
*They choose to work for someone.
*They have the full rights just as any other citizen has.
If they followed that set of rules, then yes, I would allow it. But if you go by that criteria, it is more of finding a job as a maid or something than being a slave.
By the way, here is an article I just saw on CNN.com about modern slavery. I hope you didn't mind me posting it here, since it seemed stupid to make another topic on the same subject.
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U.S. cites 4 Gulf allies in trafficking report
Saudi Arabia, others criticized, could face sanctions
From Elise Labott
CNN Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Four American allies in the Persian Gulf are among the countries criticized for not doing enough to combat human trafficking in a U.S. State Department report released Friday.
"Human trafficking is nothing less than a modern form of slavery," said Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in a news conference on the report.
In the annual "Trafficking in Persons" report, the State Department listed Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates as "Tier 3" countries, which are defined as nations "whose governments do not fully comply with the minimum standards" set by American law and "are not making significant efforts to do so."
The report identified the countries as destinations for trafficking victims exposed to sexual exploitation and forced labor.
The State Department also listed Bolivia, Cambodia, Cuba, Ecuador, Jamaica, Myanmar (formerly Burma), North Korea, Sudan, Togo and Venezuela as Tier 3 countries.
The United States could impose sanctions on these 14 countries, including the withholding of nonhumanitarian and nontrade-related assistance. The U.S. government also could oppose requests for assistance from international financial institutions.
The State Department estimates that 600,000 to 800,000 men, women and children are trafficked across international borders against their will each year.
Many victims are forced into prostitution, sweatshops, domestic labor, farm work or child armies.
About 80 percent of trafficking victims are women and girls, with a large majority forced into the sex industry. About 50 percent are minors, the report found.
"Whatever cruel form of servitude they may take, trafficking victims live in fear and in misery," Rice said. "And wherever the trafficking trade flourishes, the rule of law erodes."
Looking at 150 countries, the report focuses on the growing problem of trafficking in women and children for sexual exploitation, sex tourism and prostitution. It found that more than 1 million children are exploited in the global commercial sex trade each year.
The State Department estimates that 14,500 to 17,500 people are trafficked into the United States each year.
"We believe that modern-day slavery plagues every country," said John R. Miller, a senior adviser to Rice and director of the State Department's Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons.
The report found that "hundreds of thousands of low-skilled workers" from South Asia and Africa who arrive in Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries fall into either forced begging or "involuntary servitude, suffering from physical and sexual abuse, nonpayment of wagers, withholding of travel documents and restriction of movement."
Saudi Arabia, a Tier 2 country last year, was upgraded to Tier 3 this year because of its lack of progress in protecting victims and prosecuting those guilty of involuntary servitude.
("Tier 2" countries do not fully comply with the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000 but are making "significant progress" toward compliance, according to the report. "Tier 1" countries comply fully with the law.)
Kuwait, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates have legislation against trafficking and forced labor, but the report cited the three countries for weak implementation of laws to investigate, prosecute and punish traffickers as well as for inadequate steps to protect victims.
The report found some Tier 3 countries -- Bolivia, Myanmar, Jamaica, Sudan and Togo -- as "source" countries, where traffickers find victims, while others --Cambodia, Ecuador and Venezuela -- are source, transit and destination countries for trafficking victims.
The United States put several countries on notice that they are at risk of joining the Tier 3 list if they don't take adequate steps to combat human trafficking.
Bahrain, China, the Dominican Republic, India, Mexico, the Philippines and Russia were among 27 cited on a "Tier 2 Watch list," which will receive special scrutiny and be subject to an interim assessment before next year's report.
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Captain.Dan V2
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| Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:01 am |
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I strongly disagree with -
Child Armies
Sex Tourism
and
Force prostitution
That should be wiped out but
Farming
well as long as they have food and shelter and a better quality of life than they used to have then I don't see a problem
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Theresa
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| Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:20 am |
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So why not make it more of a serfdom?  Slavery is wrong in soooo many ways.
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Captain.Dan V2
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| Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:30 am |
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lol,
Suppose your right but slavery was the best word I could think of.
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(ok bad joke but who cares)
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:01 pm |
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No slavery, but like Puck said, maid/butler work, etc would be fine, but OWNING people as property? NO WAY.
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madlilnerd
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| Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:15 pm |
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I think the idea of servants should come back into play. It's better for the environment and uses existing resources and creates jobs. Of course, servants would still have human rights, but maybe, instead of wages, they would get paid with food, housing, clothes and other essentials for them and their famillies. Then, when they got made redundant, their masters would have to pay them a set sum of money.
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Hitchhiker
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| Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:21 pm |
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| madlilnerd wrote: | | maybe, instead of wages, they would get paid with food, housing, clothes and other essentials for them and their famillies. Then, when they got made redundant, their masters would have to pay them a set sum of money. |
If one accepts a job with non-monetary compensation, how would one ever satisify Western materialist needs? Such a servant would have no method of purchasing personal possessions except through their employer, a concept at which many would balk.
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Captain.Dan V2
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| Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:48 pm |
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Midlilnerd your post is the Idea I've been trying to get across but I couldn't find the words
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madlilnerd
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| Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:08 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | madlilnerd wrote: | | maybe, instead of wages, they would get paid with food, housing, clothes and other essentials for them and their famillies. Then, when they got made redundant, their masters would have to pay them a set sum of money. |
If one accepts a job with non-monetary compensation, how would one ever satisify Western materialist needs? Such a servant would have no method of purchasing personal possessions except through their employer, a concept at which many would balk. |
That's a good point, but I'm against the whole consumerist lifestyles we live nowadays.
For a while, I believed that people who recieve money from the government should wear government issue clothes and eat government issue food- after all, they live in government issue housing (council homes), so why not?
But then, for a while, I was for legalised prostitution... it uses available resources and what do I care if a girl wants to sell herself? Is it really any different from being a *beep* star?
But now I realised that, as a fifteen year old girl with no qualifications whatsoever... I can't really change the world, so I gave up.
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Founder
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| Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:43 pm |
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I'm sorry, but did someone make a topic about enslaving homeless people? *Sigh*
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madlilnerd
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| Sat Jun 04, 2005 4:35 pm |
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/\ yes. Yes they did. It's a bit odd... to think about slaves, I mean. Maybe we'll have robotic servants one day
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lex
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| Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:59 pm |
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| Captain.Dan V2 wrote: | | Maybe I'm being Nieve but I think with the right rules and guidelines Slavery could be ok |
Wow.
I can hardly believe what I'm reading. I mean it. I'm incredulous. Are you not aware of the MORAL objections to slavery?! A human being owning another human being as property is ok, as long as guidelines are in place? And how can anyone believe that the solution to poverty, homelessness, and unemployment is enslave the homeless, rather than addressing the causes of those conditions?
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Leo Wyatt
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| Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:21 pm |
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I am in total agreement with Lex.
In my opinion, we are human. Slavery was gone along time ago if I am not mistaken. We don't need it back.
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Lord Borg
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| Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:07 pm |
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I am againts slavery in all forms. I dont care if the person is homeless and it gets them off the streets. Slavery is wrong, I will never ever have any part of it
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:13 pm |
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| Lord Borg wrote: | | I am againts slavery in all forms. I dont care if the person is homeless and it gets them off the streets. Slavery is wrong, I will never ever have any part of it |
Same here. If you want to hire a servant, like a butler or maid kind of thing and treat them humanely, then fine. But slavery? NO!
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Starbuck
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| Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:27 am |
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Hmmm... this is indeed interesting. Things today are different, much different than they used to be. We now have machines to do the work of a man, so slavery has a whole different meaning. However I'm more for butler/servant/maid than I am slave.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:02 am |
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I just don't get it. Why think making the homeless be slaves? They are human just like us. If you want to help the homeless, help them get a job or somethin but slaves. Not moral in my opinion.
I agree get a bulter, maid or servant. But not slaves.
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Starbuck
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| Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:29 pm |
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Deb, have you ever been to Chicago? I used to live there, and I still go back every chance I get. Walking down Monroe Ave (where the Schubert Theatre is), you hear something wonderful. An incredibly expierenced Saxophone player. He plays Dave Brubeck amazingly. And I recently got a chance to talk to him. It was pouring and I mean pouring outside. And I asked him what it was like playing at night in the rain. And he said "Its hell." Now, do you think there's anything he wouldn't do to have a roof to live under? I can safely assume that there isn't.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:33 pm |
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No, I haven't been to Chicago but Charlie often talks about moving there one day. I know it is really hard on the homeless.
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