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Republican_Man
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^EXACTLY! All that, and yet what did he do? NOTHING.
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LightningBoy
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| Wed May 25, 2005 12:26 am |
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| zero wrote: | Yes, I do remember 9/11. And I remember how it should have been avoided, but instead.... the bush adminitration passed up the evidence.  |
Fine, blame Bush for 8 months of intellegence failure.
But remember, Al Qaida attacked us three times during the Clinton administration, and he never fought back (except for bombing a neutral Afghani Asprin plant). While blaming Bush for 8 months of failure, you can blame Clinton for 8 years of similar failure.
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Puck
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Lets look at some facts, shall we?
-Clinton had the chance to catch Usama binLaden at least 3 times. He didn't.
-The Sudanese government OFFERED Usama binLaden to President Clinton, he rejected.
| Quote: | | "In February of 1996 the Sudanese had come to the conclusion that their Islamic experiment had gone bad, essentially, that the fanatics had gotten out of control. Bin Laden was part of that problem. They offered Saudi Arabia an extradition treaty -- extradition of Bin Laden. The Saudis turned it down. They came to the United States and said, 'Do you want him?' And [the Clinton Gore administration] said: 'No, we don't have a case. We can't do it now.' " |
-Mansoor Ijaz A Muslim, a Democrat, and the person who opened unofficial backchannels between Clinton-Gore, and Sudan's government between 1996-2000
They KEPT turning Sudan down in Feb 96, Aug 96, April 97, Feb 98, July 2000.
-Clinton and Gore undermined the CIA by instituting several reforms in the intelligence department. The Torricelli acts. This meant that the CIA was forced to take 1/3 of its informants off the lists.
These are just a few of the facts that back the statement that Clinton-Gore played a MAJOR role in allowing Usama to run free, and to limit intelligence info. All of this allowing 9/11.
That right there, is evidence.
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webtaz99
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| Wed May 25, 2005 3:08 pm |
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| zero wrote: | | Yes, I do remember 9/11. And I remember how it should have been avoided, but instead.... the bush adminitration passed up the evidence. |
The FBI and CIA are not elected officials. It was their responsibilty to "connect the dots."
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zero
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| Wed May 25, 2005 3:29 pm |
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | zero wrote: | | Yes, I do remember 9/11. And I remember how it should have been avoided, but instead.... the bush adminitration passed up the evidence. |
The FBI and CIA are not elected officials. It was their responsibilty to "connect the dots." |
I was watching an Interview they had with Condelizza Rice, and they were asking her if she knew about the terrorist threats, or the 9/11 threats ... and she was trying her hardest to make it seem as if they did not know. But they did. She said yes.
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Theresa
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| Wed May 25, 2005 3:36 pm Re: What made Clinton a "great leader"? |
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | This should only include actions taken by him (or things said by him), not things which fortunately happened while he was President. |
Haven't seen an answer to this question yet.
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zero
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Theresa
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| Wed May 25, 2005 5:00 pm |
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Please put words that are not your own in quotes. Plagiarism is illegal, and unacceptable at STV.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed May 25, 2005 5:04 pm |
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| zero wrote: | | webtaz99 wrote: | | zero wrote: | | Yes, I do remember 9/11. And I remember how it should have been avoided, but instead.... the bush adminitration passed up the evidence. |
The FBI and CIA are not elected officials. It was their responsibilty to "connect the dots." |
I was watching an Interview they had with Condelizza Rice, and they were asking her if she knew about the terrorist threats, or the 9/11 threats ... and she was trying her hardest to make it seem as if they did not know. But they did. She said yes. |
I don't believe that. Where was this interview? Give us a source.
Your paragraphs are just SO FUNNY!
| zero wrote: | | Bill Clinton leaves office having survived the tirades and brutal frontal assaults of the right. He's still the target of right wing slings and arrow even after leaving office. They still pick at this pardon or at that presidential decree with the same knee-jerk reaction they used when he was in office. Dwight Eisenhower, the elder Bush and Jerry Ford all made some extremely dubious, last minute pardons that didn't raise nearly as much opposition their Democratic foes. I had a Republican tell me the other day, "George W. Bush is the President. Get over it." I believe that can now be turned around to the Republicans when we tell them, "Bill Clinton is not the President. Get over it." Their hatred for Mr. Clinton is beyond all reason and is either fueled by a desire to shift attention from the actions of George W. Bush in his first days in office or by envy over the fact that President Clinton was able to accomplish many of the goals in his two terms in office that Republicans had only talked about for years. |
Uh...yeah, we hate him alright. No, we do NOT hate President Clinton--not even RUSH LIMBAUGH hates him. Dislike, yes, but hate, no. However, the hatred of President BUSH is unwarrented and beyond all reason and fueled to get him into some sort of trouble. Bush's first days were good, and it was CLINTON's fault that he INHERITED the recession. Your paragrpahs are just so pitiful with no argument that's really of quality that it's just SO FUNNY! 
However, Puck, LB, Theresa, and Webtaz have been making GREAT points against Clinton. My props to them 
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zero
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I don't remember the source of the interview. But it was pretty big. It wasn't like a one on one type of interview... It was more of a questioning in front of a large audience.
It was on national telivision, I don't see how you could have missed it.
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Theresa
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| Wed May 25, 2005 5:26 pm |
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| zero wrote: | I don't remember the source of the interview. But it was pretty big. It wasn't like a one on one type of interview... It was more of a questioning in front of a large audience.
It was on national telivision, I don't see how you could have missed it. |
I don't care. It wasn't your original post. Edit it.
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zero
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| Wed May 25, 2005 5:29 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | | zero wrote: | I don't remember the source of the interview. But it was pretty big. It wasn't like a one on one type of interview... It was more of a questioning in front of a large audience.
It was on national telivision, I don't see how you could have missed it. |
I don't care. It wasn't your original post. Edit it. |
Uhh... edit what? RM was askign me for the source. Why would you care? I didn't ask you to care about it.
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Theresa
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| Wed May 25, 2005 5:31 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | | Please put words that are not your own in quotes. Plagiarism is illegal, and unacceptable at STV. |
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Republican_Man
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| Wed May 25, 2005 5:31 pm |
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| zero wrote: | | Theresa wrote: | | zero wrote: | I don't remember the source of the interview. But it was pretty big. It wasn't like a one on one type of interview... It was more of a questioning in front of a large audience.
It was on national telivision, I don't see how you could have missed it. |
I don't care. It wasn't your original post. Edit it. |
Uhh... edit what? RM was askign me for the source. Why would you care? I didn't ask you to care about it. |
I need the source, because frankly, until then, I don't believe you. I've heard her in numerous other interviews saying that they didn't know.
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zero
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| Wed May 25, 2005 5:33 pm |
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^hunny, I'm not asking you to believe me. Maybe you just don't understand that.
And I'm not going to sit and search for hours trying to find something that aired on TV like a year ago... I have better thigns to do.
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Theresa
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| Wed May 25, 2005 5:34 pm |
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Maybe you don't understand you won't be in WN for a little while if you can't follow the rules. Two of which are "provide a source", and "put other people's work in quotes".
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Link, the Hero of Time
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THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release January 7, 2000
THE CLINTON-GORE ECONOMIC RECORD:
THE LOWEST UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN 30 YEARS
THE LOWEST UNEMPLOYMENT RATE SINCE 1969 AND MORE THAN 20 MILLION NEW JOBS. In 1992, when Bill Clinton was elected President, the American economy was barely creating jobs, wages were stagnant, and the unemployment rate was 7.5 percent. His bold, three-part economic strategy focused on three objectives: fiscal discipline, investing in education, health care, science and technology, and opening foreign markets. Today�s jobs release provides more evidence that this strategy is working:
The Unemployment Rate Was 4.2 Percent in 1999 -- the Lowest Since 1969. The unemployment rate was 4.1 percent in December bringing the average unemployment rate for 1999 to 4.2 percent -- the lowest since 1969. The unemployment rate has fallen for seven years in a row. It has remained below 5 percent for 30 months in a row. For women the unemployment rate was 4.1 percent -- the lowest since 1953.
African American and Hispanic Unemployment Rates Were the Lowest on Record in 1999. The unemployment rate for African Americans has fallen from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 8.0 percent in 1999 � the lowest rate on record. The unemployment rate for Hispanics has fallen from 11.6 percent in 1992 to 6.4 percent in 1999 -- the lowest rate on record.
20.4 Million New Jobs Created Under the Clinton-Gore Administration. Since 1993, the economy has added 20.4 million new jobs. That�s the most jobs ever created under a single Administration � and more new jobs than Presidents Reagan and Bush created during their three terms. Under President Clinton, the economy has added an average of 245,000 jobs per month, the highest of any President on record. This compares to 52,000 per month under President Bush and 167,000 per month under President Reagan.
92 Percent -- 18.8 Million -- of the New Jobs Have Been Created in the Private Sector. Since President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office, the private sector of the economy has added 18.5 million new jobs. That is 92 percent of the 20.4 million new jobs � the highest percentage since Harry S. Truman was President and presiding over the post-World War II demobilization.
Most Rapid Growth in Construction Jobs In 50 Years. After losing 662,000 jobs in construction during the previous four years, 1.9 million new construction jobs have been added during the Clinton-Gore years -- that�s a faster annual rate (5.1 percent) than any other Administration since Harry S. Truman was President.
Fastest and Longest Real Wage Growth in Two Decades. In the last 12 months, average hourly earnings have increased 3.7 percent -- faster than the rate of inflation. This marks the fourth consecutive year of real wage growth -- the longest consecutive increase since the early 1970s. Under President Clinton, real wages are up 6.5 percent, after declining 4.3 percent during the Reagan and Bush years. Real wage growth in 1998 reached 2.6 percent -- the largest increase since 1972.
Inflation-- Lowest Since the 1960s. Inflation remains virtually non-existent, with the underlying core rate of inflation at 2.0 percent this year -- the lowest rate since 1965. In the last four quarters the GDP price index has risen 1.3 percent -- the lowest rate of increase since 1963.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu May 26, 2005 5:39 pm |
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All Reaganomics at work He implemented no real economic changes; he just let Reaganomics continue on.
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Birdy
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I think he made more of an effort to settle things in Palestina and Israel than Bush did. He negotiated with them, let them talk to eachother, and I got the impression that there was more peace in Israel when Clinton was president of the USA than when Bush is, now.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun May 29, 2005 2:43 pm |
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| Birdy wrote: | | I think he made more of an effort to settle things in Palestina and Israel than Bush did. He negotiated with them, let them talk to eachother, and I got the impression that there was more peace in Israel when Clinton was president of the USA than when Bush is, now. |
Uh...sure. His talks, like Carter's, FAILED. Bush is now doing more--with Arafat gone, more can be done, and his $50 million towards the Palestinians will show our sincerity, etc. and will hopefully help to resolve the situation even quicker. Bush is doing good things there, and they will likely bring more success than Clinton or Carter.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Founder wrote: | | You are aware that our economics problems stem from your oh so great leader Clinton right? |
No, according to RM it was all Reaganomics. So It was just the failing of Reaganomics that caused the economic problems.
| Republican_Man wrote: | | All Reaganomics at work He implemented no real economic changes; he just let Reaganomics continue on. |
Then by your same Logic, Regan did nothing to the Soviet Union, It collapsed due to Stalin's progams.
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Jeremy
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That last comment depends on how you look at it. A lot of the expense was used for a missle protection system, and the American's built the Star Wars system, but the Russians ran out of money. It was one of the main factors that caused the USSR to collapse.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:04 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | You are aware that our economics problems stem from your oh so great leader Clinton right? |
No, according to RM it was all Reaganomics. So It was just the failing of Reaganomics that caused the economic problems.
| Republican_Man wrote: | | All Reaganomics at work He implemented no real economic changes; he just let Reaganomics continue on. |
Then by your same Logic, Regan did nothing to the Soviet Union, It collapsed due to Stalin's progams. |
Well, no. The high points of the economy were due to Reaganomics. However, in the end of the Clinton term, Reagonomics ended and the DotCom bubble bursted. The economic downturn was inherited from Clinton, and was not connect with Reagonomics.
And no, by my same logic that is NOT what happened. Jeremy spoke well of why Reagan was the cause of the fall, but it most definitely was Reagan's fault that the Soviet Union fell. It's all his credit.
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