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Hitchhiker
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 Wed May 25, 2005 7:06 pm Amnesty Internation Human Rights report |
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| CBC.ca wrote: | C B C . C A N e w s - F u l l S t o r y :
Amnesty says world governments 'betraying promises on human rights'
Last Updated Wed, 25 May 2005 20:03:30 EDT
CBC News
LONDON - Amnesty International is calling the U.S. prison camp at Guantanamo Bay "the gulag of our time," a human rights failure, and says it should be closed.
In a 308-page report, the human rights organization accuses the United States, as well as many other countries, of shirking their responsibility to protect human rights.
"The U.S.A., as the unrivaled political, military and economic hyper-power, sets the tone for governmental behaviour worldwide. When the most powerful country in the world thumbs its nose at the rule of law and human rights, it grants a licence to others to commit abuse with impunity," said Irene Khan, Amnesty's secretary general, speaking at a news conference in London.
Amnesty says it has documented at least 10 cases of abuse or mistreatment at Guantanamo, but a White House spokesman says the criticism is "ridiculous and unsupported by the facts."
White House press secretary Scott McLellan says the United States leads by example and holds people accountable when there is abuse.
About 540 prisoners from 40 different nations are being detained at the military base in Cuba.
Many have been kept there for years without charge.
The Amnesty report cites documented cases of abuse or mistreatment at the facility.
Beside the United States, the report also criticizes many other countries, including Sudan, Haiti, Afghanistan, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Russia and Zimbabwe.
"Governments are betraying their promises on human rights. A new agenda is in the making with the language of freedom and justice being used to pursue policies of fear and insecurity. This includes cynical attempts to redefine and sanitize torture," said Khan.
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http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/05/25/amnestyinternational050525.html
Canada was also criticized for its failure to reduce the high number of murders against Aboriginal women and young boys. 
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Republican_Man
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| Wed May 25, 2005 7:09 pm |
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Aboriginal women and young boys is one thing, but this situation at Gitmo? Few instances have actually been reported. It's not as bad as Human Rights Watch says.
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| Thu May 26, 2005 9:27 am |
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most of the people at Gitmo are Terrorists. they have no rights under the geneva convention, which only protects prisoners of war. technically, a country is allowed to keep terrorists captured anyway they want
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Jeremy
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| Thu May 26, 2005 10:53 am |
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How are they terrorists? I know most of them will be, but there has been no case's brought. I hope you don't complain if one of your family is locked up without a charge brought against them. I can understand that there might not be enough evidence, although the authorities know they are, but if so then a year should be the maximum time in jail.
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madlilnerd
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| Thu May 26, 2005 11:05 am |
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I had to write a stupid essay on amnesty international, and ever since, I've told myself not to like them. They got banned from advertising on TV and radio because it was a political attack or something
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webtaz99
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| Thu May 26, 2005 12:02 pm |
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Anything the US does is patty-cakes compared to what the Taliban and Saddam have done.
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Seven of Nine
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| Thu May 26, 2005 2:23 pm |
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We can't call the people in Guantanamo terrorists- they haven't been charged with a crime. Innocent until proven guilty, anyone? If they are terrorists, why is the US so reluctant to produce evidence?
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I'm not surprised at this. No one ever really stops to think, huh? "The public's right to know vs national security". Once a formal charge is made, there is much more potential for a leak, etc... Contrary to popular beleif, the US didn't go out and randomly grab people and send them to Gitmo. But, I guess it's just like everywhere else, the prisons are full of innocent men, and there have never been any bad users at STV.
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| Thu May 26, 2005 4:36 pm |
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3 years without any judgement seems long to me. Also seems odd that the euros that were held over there got released right away when they came back here, don't you think that's at least odd? 
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| Thu May 26, 2005 5:09 pm |
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There was a dude being held, was released because of political pressure. A very short time later, he was linked to many bombings, and many more planned. But now he's disappeared. I'd err on the side of caution.
I'm sorry, I don't have a source atm. I read it in the Boston Herald, I think.
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| Thu May 26, 2005 5:37 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | How are they terrorists? I know most of them will be, but there has been no case's brought. I hope you don't complain if one of your family is locked up without a charge brought against them. I can understand that there might not be enough evidence, although the authorities know they are, but if so then a year should be the maximum time in jail. |
There's a difference between that and this. These terrorists are arrested IN THE BATTLEFIELD or in a precurser to a perseved attack. And they are NOT privy to the rights of Americans. We have the right to Due Process. They, on the other hand, are NOT American citizens, and as un-uniformed combatants & terrorists, they are NOT privy to the rights of due process.
| webtaz99 wrote: | | Anything the US does is patty-cakes compared to what the Taliban and Saddam have done. |
Exactly.
| Theresa wrote: | | I'm not surprised at this. No one ever really stops to think, huh? "The public's right to know vs national security". Once a formal charge is made, there is much more potential for a leak, etc... Contrary to popular beleif, the US didn't go out and randomly grab people and send them to Gitmo. But, I guess it's just like everywhere else, the prisons are full of innocent men, and there have never been any bad users at STV. |
Well said.
| Theresa wrote: | There was a dude being held, was released because of political pressure. A very short time later, he was linked to many bombings, and many more planned. But now he's disappeared. I'd err on the side of caution.
I'm sorry, I don't have a source atm. I read it in the Boston Herald, I think. |
I've heard it too, on FoxNews. That's right. If we put the "rights" of the terrorists first, then more deaths can occur.
So many people seem to be forgetting that these are people captured in BATTLE ZONES and in connection with other terrorists, and that they are NOT Americans!
Besides, Amnesty International rates America up with Sudan as one of the worst countries for treatment of prisoners. Shows you where they lean, eh?
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| Fri May 27, 2005 6:13 am |
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If an American is arrested here and not charged I do not want to here one word about it being unfair then. After all, he's not British and so it doesn't matter about his or her rights.
And you'll find some of the people weren't arrested in the battlefield, some of them were in hositals. As I said in my post before, a lot of them will be terrorists, but if it's not been proved then how can you know? 3 years is a long time to keep them locked up. Any planned attacks would have either been cancelled or foiled. I've said before, I agree with holding people for a certain length of time if there isn't enough evidence to convict them. But 3 years is way too far.
Webtaz, you said it's not much compared to what Suddam and the Taliban have done. True. That's not what's being argued. What is being debated is that these people haven't been convicted and have been in prison 3 years! Think what you have done in that time! And then clear it and put yourself in prison.
Theresa, you said one of them was released really quickly. I don't agree with that. But some of them were released about 1/2 a year ago because there wasn't enough evidence to hold them. Those were British ones, what about countries thats government doesn't have the same negotiating powers, or just wouldn't care?
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Theresa
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| Fri May 27, 2005 10:43 am |
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| Jeremy wrote: |
Theresa, you said one of them was released really quickly. I don't agree with that. But some of them were released about 1/2 a year ago because there wasn't enough evidence to hold them. Those were British ones, what about countries thats government doesn't have the same negotiating powers, or just wouldn't care? |
It was in the article, And I wasn't, obviously, the only one to see it. And, if the American did what these guys did, sure, go ahead and use your tax dollars to convict, 
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webtaz99
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| Fri May 27, 2005 12:33 pm |
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Try to remember, these guys were not just sitting around drinking tea. They took up arms against US forces. The US is not known for cutting down POWs versus capturing them (although it does happen sometimes).
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| Fri May 27, 2005 12:38 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | There was a dude being held, was released because of political pressure. A very short time later, he was linked to many bombings, and many more planned. But now he's disappeared. I'd err on the side of caution.
I'm sorry, I don't have a source atm. I read it in the Boston Herald, I think. |
Well, gimme that source cause i ain't buying it
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Jeremy
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | Try to remember, these guys were not just sitting around drinking tea. They took up arms against US forces. The US is not known for cutting down POWs versus capturing them (although it does happen sometimes). |
I can't remember the source, but some of them were picked up from hospitals. It's not that I find totally wrong, as some terrorists would be in them, but it's that they're all supposed to have been fighting at the time. It's not true, so convict if there is the evidence.
Would you complain if the police said you were breaking into a bank and arrested you, put you in prison without a trial?
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