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lionhead
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| Republican_Man wrote: | Besides, the acting in the originals is good.
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yeah, right. who seconds that motion?
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Republican_Man
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| Sun May 22, 2005 5:11 pm |
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| lionhead wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | Besides, the acting in the originals is good.
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yeah, right. who seconds that motion? |
The acting was BAD? My gosh, it was EXCELLENT! Maybe they weren't the BEST in Episode IV, but otherwise...excellent. I mean, Luke's scream after he heard that Vader was his father...very well-done.
And also, I would NOT see remakes of IV-VI, and I would advocate a boycott. And besides, the actors are the DEFINITIVE characters--no one could replace them.
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The Delta Flyer
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Chakotay1988 wrote: | There was supposed to be 9 star wars films altogether but there is no new info on any more films.
They are filming a Star Wars TV shows in autralia. Filming will begin in June this year. the episodes will be 1 hour long.
Also with the sucess of Clone Wars (Cartoon) they are going to make another series. Accept this is going to be a 3D animated series set between episode III & Episode IV. These episodes will be half an hour long.
In my opinion. I think they should stop star wars now. It is at its peak with millions if not billions of fans. It should quite while its ahead. It would be horrible to see it go down the drain. |
The show between Episodes III and IV will be live action. That could be what they're filming in Australia.
Also, the CGI show IS the Clone Wars show, but I HATED that.
I agree that they should quit while they're ahead, and not end up like Star Trek--with something ruining it.
And there was NEVER supposed to be 9 episodes. Your sources are wrong  |
Actually when Lucas was coming up with the idea of Star Wars he originally planned to do 9 films though in recent years he has claimed the Star Wars story has been told across the current 6 films - some claim he is now too old to continue the saga whilst others say that he's done what he intended to do, he just compressed it into 3 films. I don't know what the real reason is but as for post-ROTJ, well we have the books and in my opinion Zahn's 'Heir to the Empire' trilogy (highly recommendable for Star Wars enthusiasts) is almost as good as the original trilogy, possibly better in places albeit there is no Darth Vader 
Anyway, I found the following link which goes further into Lucas' idea of a 9-part story and the information in it is backed up in the book, Once Upon an Empire: The Making of the Empire Strikes Back which gives it a fairly official line on the subject, bearing in mind that the source material is based directly on an interview with George Lucas, the man himself:
http://byzantiumshores.blogspot.com/2005/03/in-george-we-trust.html
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Republican_Man
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| Sun May 22, 2005 8:28 pm |
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| The Delta Flyer wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Chakotay1988 wrote: | There was supposed to be 9 star wars films altogether but there is no new info on any more films.
They are filming a Star Wars TV shows in autralia. Filming will begin in June this year. the episodes will be 1 hour long.
Also with the sucess of Clone Wars (Cartoon) they are going to make another series. Accept this is going to be a 3D animated series set between episode III & Episode IV. These episodes will be half an hour long.
In my opinion. I think they should stop star wars now. It is at its peak with millions if not billions of fans. It should quite while its ahead. It would be horrible to see it go down the drain. |
The show between Episodes III and IV will be live action. That could be what they're filming in Australia.
Also, the CGI show IS the Clone Wars show, but I HATED that.
I agree that they should quit while they're ahead, and not end up like Star Trek--with something ruining it.
And there was NEVER supposed to be 9 episodes. Your sources are wrong |
Actually when Lucas was coming up with the idea of Star Wars he originally planned to do 9 films though in recent years he has claimed the Star Wars story has been told across the current 6 films - some claim he is now too old to continue the saga whilst others say that he's done what he intended to do, he just compressed it into 3 films. I don't know what the real reason is but as for post-ROTJ, well we have the books and in my opinion Zahn's 'Heir to the Empire' trilogy (highly recommendable for Star Wars enthusiasts) is almost as good as the original trilogy, possibly better in places albeit there is no Darth Vader
Anyway, I found the following link which goes further into Lucas' idea of a 9-part story and the information in it is backed up in the book, Once Upon an Empire: The Making of the Empire Strikes Back which gives it a fairly official line on the subject, bearing in mind that the source material is based directly on an interview with George Lucas, the man himself:
http://byzantiumshores.blogspot.com/2005/03/in-george-we-trust.html |
But then again, he also believed that he would make the Prequals have Luke as a little boy back then But I really don't think he was QUITE planning for 9 films, and I don't expect it. The books do more than he ever could. But I WOULD like pre-prequal, Sith War-era movies.
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| Mon May 23, 2005 2:25 am |
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| lionhead wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | Besides, the acting in the originals is good.
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yeah, right. who seconds that motion? |
I do. The acting was not bad in the least. Same goes for the PT.
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| Founder wrote: | Just because George Lucas said there won't be more Star Wars movies doesn't mean that thats true. He said the same thing about Indiana Jones and an Indiana Jones 4 is in the works.
As I've said before, I'm not too big on the idea of a tv show. I think it would be more cool if it was like Ep. III, more adultish. So maybe they can have the tv show on HBO? That way I don't have to sit through freaking commercials or the show won't have limitations. If its on UPN, we won't be seeing any hands come off. |
I bet whats his name has somthing to do with it to. Orgionaly, Lucas had made a treatment that would need 9 to 12 installmets. How ever, he took material (mostly from what would have been like IX) and put it in ROTJ
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Republican_Man
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| Mon May 23, 2005 6:07 pm |
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| Lord Borg wrote: | | Founder wrote: | Just because George Lucas said there won't be more Star Wars movies doesn't mean that thats true. He said the same thing about Indiana Jones and an Indiana Jones 4 is in the works.
As I've said before, I'm not too big on the idea of a tv show. I think it would be more cool if it was like Ep. III, more adultish. So maybe they can have the tv show on HBO? That way I don't have to sit through freaking commercials or the show won't have limitations. If its on UPN, we won't be seeing any hands come off. |
I bet whats his name has somthing to do with it to. Orgionaly, Lucas had made a treatment that would need 9 to 12 installmets. How ever, he took material (mostly from what would have been like IX) and put it in ROTJ |
Likely. He had talked about originally making serials--maybe he just shortened his ideas into 6 movies.
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lionhead
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| Mon May 23, 2005 6:51 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | lionhead wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | Besides, the acting in the originals is good.
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yeah, right. who seconds that motion? |
I do. The acting was not bad in the least. Same goes for the PT. |
Figures... I disagree.
| Republican_Man wrote: | | But then again, he also believed that he would make the Prequals have Luke as a little boy back then But I really don't think he was QUITE planning for 9 films, and I don't expect it. The books do more than he ever could. But I WOULD like pre-prequal, Sith War-era movies. |
Might be a good plan, but then you can go on forver. Then you can make Sequals too return of The Jedi too.
Got a whole new meaning for me now: "return of the Jedi".
I still vote for remakes of IV, V and VI. Maybe calling them Returning Hope, The empire strikes back again and rerun of the Jedi
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| Mon May 23, 2005 7:11 pm |
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| lionhead wrote: | Might be a good plan, but then you can go on forver. Then you can make Sequals too return of The Jedi too.
Got a whole new meaning for me now: "return of the Jedi".
I still vote for remakes of IV, V and VI. Maybe calling them Returning Hope, The empire strikes back again and rerun of the Jedi |
Reasons I'm thankful you have no control of the Star Wars franchise.
| Republican_Man wrote: | | Likely. He had talked about originally making serials--maybe he just shortened his ideas into 6 movies. |
He did. He was going to make 9 movies. Then shortened it down to 6.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon May 23, 2005 7:14 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | lionhead wrote: | Might be a good plan, but then you can go on forver. Then you can make Sequals too return of The Jedi too.
Got a whole new meaning for me now: "return of the Jedi".
I still vote for remakes of IV, V and VI. Maybe calling them Returning Hope, The empire strikes back again and rerun of the Jedi |
Reasons I'm thankful you have no control of the Star Wars franchise.
lol, I agree!  And it took you THAT long to figure out the name "Return of the Jedi?" I've known since I was, what, seven? lol  And the sequals are in the books. Movies of sequals should not be made.
| Republican_Man wrote: | | Likely. He had talked about originally making serials--maybe he just shortened his ideas into 6 movies. |
He did. He was going to make 9 movies. Then shortened it down to 6. |
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lionhead
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| Mon May 23, 2005 7:22 pm |
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I tought return of the Jedi meant that After the Defeat of luke by darth vader he got training by Yoda and 'Returned' as a real 'Jedi'. voil�, return of the Jedi.
but it actually means the return of the Jedi by defeating the sith and taking back the control that they lost in Episode III. The Jedi where there, there was a whole Council of them, a lot of Knights and masters, then they all got killed, they dissapeared and in episode VI the Jedi returned.
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| lionhead wrote: | I tought return of the Jedi meant that After the Defeat of luke by darth vader he got training by Yoda and 'Returned' as a real 'Jedi'. voil�, return of the Jedi.
but it actually means the return of the Jedi by defeating the sith and taking back the control that they lost in Episode III. The Jedi where there, there was a whole Council of them, a lot of Knights and masters, then they all got killed, they dissapeared and in episode VI the Jedi returned. |
Wrong. It means the Return of Anakin.
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Lindley
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| Mon May 23, 2005 11:53 pm |
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| lionhead wrote: | | Thye should re-make episodes IV, V and VI. Get better actors for them and do their best on Special Effects and better character Development. |
Please tell me you're kidding. No matter how many FX shots they throw at the screen, the original trilogy will always be far and away better than the prequel trilogy. There are simply too many problems with the prequels.
Besides, the changes made in the Special Editions of the original trilogy clearly show that Lucas doesn't have a good grasp of what needs improving there. He failed to fix some obvious FX problems, and he made changes which, if anything, reduced the effectiveness of certain scenes.
Anyway, Star Wars' future is in the novels, just as it always has been. At lease those usually tell a a good story in addition to the cool battles; the recent movies haven't seemed to know how to do anything except look really pretty. The substance of the plot just isn't all that strong.
In the mean time, September 30th draws closer every day.....
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| Mon May 23, 2005 11:57 pm |
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What's September 30th, again? I think I may know, but forget...
And Episode III's more than showy stuff--it's got plot, too. Best of the prequals, best of the movies (not by far, though).
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Lindley
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | What's September 30th, again? I think I may know, but forget... |
The movie which, with any luck, will prove that an SFX-heavy movie can have a strong story as well:
http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/serenity/
Don't get me wrong, the Star Wars prequels have been great visually, but the writing hasn't been nearly as strong as it could have been. Probably why I enjoy the SW novels more than the movies.
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lionhead
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Oh yeah, Serenity. I got that on my "Too watch films" List.
Maybe funny too mention, i have these films in that list:
The Cave
Undead
Pink Panther
Crash
Land of the dead
The Devils rejects
Night watch
The Skeleton Key
Corpse Bride
Serenity
Chronicles of Narnia
Stealth
The fantastic Four
X-Men 3
Not that this is the right topic for that. Should i make one?
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| Tue May 24, 2005 3:38 pm |
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This board's policy on duplicate threads is stricter than I like, so you should probably check for one first. But sure, if you want.
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The Delta Flyer
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| Tue May 24, 2005 8:46 pm |
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I'm looking forward to Serenity more than I was Star Wars. Not sure why...it's just been so long since we got fresh Firefly goods
And similarly, I agree that the Original Trilogy should not be remade. It's a classic and whilst I don't mind Lucas tweaking the odd thing, inserting an extra scene here and there, I don't think it should be remade from scratch...
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| Wed May 25, 2005 1:14 pm |
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Back on topic, the only thing thats in the future for SW is the books and games. Hopefully this TV show thing is a rumor.
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| Wed May 25, 2005 1:43 pm |
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Omg, I'm soooooooooo drowning in all 4 star wars topics here and just like everybody else I was soooooo fond of posting in SciFi&D! 
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The Delta Flyer
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| Wed May 25, 2005 4:39 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Back on topic, the only thing thats in the future for SW is the books and games. Hopefully this TV show thing is a rumor. |
I'm almost certain that George Lucas has already confirmed the Star Wars live-action and CGI series:
http://www.thehometownchannel.com/entertainment/4412547/detail.html
Dirt> There do seem to be a lot of Star Wars topics up at the moment, they'll probably die down when the hype over the new film wears off though.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed May 25, 2005 4:55 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Back on topic, the only thing thats in the future for SW is the books and games. Hopefully this TV show thing is a rumor. |
With Lucas saying it a Celebration III (which I've posted MULTIPLE times, INCLUDING in this topic ) it's real
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madlilnerd
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| Thu May 26, 2005 3:03 pm |
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REAL???!!! You mean Star Wars isn't fiction???
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| Thu May 26, 2005 3:34 pm |
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| madlilnerd wrote: | REAL???!!! You mean Star Wars isn't fiction???
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Of course not. Star Wars happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Think of it more as a history documentary.
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madlilnerd
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| Thu May 26, 2005 3:36 pm |
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Yes. The confusing thing is, that a long time ago they were very much more advanced than we are now!
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