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webtaz99
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 Tue May 24, 2005 2:36 pm What made Clinton a "great leader"? |
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This should only include actions taken by him (or things said by him), not things which fortunately happened while he was President.
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LightningBoy
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| Tue May 24, 2005 2:40 pm |
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In all fairness, Clinton had Charisma; and until the Lewinski scandal, he gave the appearance of being a good genuine man. He was also good at hearing both sides of the story, he was not always one-sided.
I disagreed with nearly all of his policies, but he did have natural leadership skills. I DO think our country would've been better off with Bob Dole (Whom I consider my ideoligical equal.) as president in '96.
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zero
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| Tue May 24, 2005 2:50 pm |
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Ur so gonna wish you hadnt gotten me started on him.. He is my FAV president...
During his time in administration America had more peace and economic well being than at any time ever. He reduced welfare roles, lowest unemployment rates, and the lowest inflation in 30 years. He proposed the first balanced budget in decades and achieved a budget surplus.
I wont say too much, I could though... he was my favorite topic for essays in high school.
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LightningBoy
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| Tue May 24, 2005 2:54 pm |
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And what did he do to accomplish that? I mean, he never raised, nor lowered taxes, aside from getting the trade defeceit rolling with China, he just let Reaganomics ride on without interefering, which was smart, but not really his doing.
(By the way, I suggest a mod move this to WN.  )
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zero
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| Tue May 24, 2005 2:56 pm |
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Umm, He did a lot for the country... Look how it was when he was leader, and now look at it.
War should be no excuse.
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LightningBoy
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| Tue May 24, 2005 3:02 pm |
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Yeah, but the country, when he was leader, was still riding on the tide of the Reaganomics tech bubble.
Funny how we all forget that the biggest stock market collapse since the '20s was in the last months of the Clinton administration.
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webtaz99
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| Tue May 24, 2005 3:03 pm |
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I repeat: What actions did he take? Charisma is nice, but it doesn't effect the economy.
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LightningBoy
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| Tue May 24, 2005 3:05 pm |
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | What actions did he take? |
I would like to know that too. People bring up his economic successes, but he simply rode on Reaganomics without changing anything. Let's put credit where credit is due.
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| Tue May 24, 2005 3:24 pm |
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What made Clinton a "great leader"?
Nothing.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:31 pm |
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| LightningBoy wrote: | And what did he do to accomplish that? I mean, he never raised, nor lowered taxes, aside from getting the trade defeceit rolling with China, he just let Reaganomics ride on without interefering, which was smart, but not really his doing.
(By the way, I suggest a mod move this to WN. ) |
EXACTLY! The economy was ALL Reagan's doing. It was left over from his policies, and continued to strive without Clinton's interference.
| Founder wrote: | What made Clinton a "great leader"?
Nothing. |
I would agree.
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:34 pm |
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Well, if he did nothing, and left everything the same as regan did.... Look at it now??? What kind of leader do we have now???
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:35 pm |
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| zero wrote: | | Well, if he did nothing, and left everything the same as regan did.... Look at it now??? What kind of leader do we have now??? |
One of the BEST in US history, that's what kind.
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:37 pm |
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The man can't even speak properly! Oh please, don't get me started on this.
I'm just going to stop now. That comment made my stoumach ill. It is sad to know that some people actually do believe he is a great leader, or in your opinion, the best.
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:39 pm |
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You are aware that our economics problems stem from your oh so great leader Clinton right?
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Republican_Man
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:39 pm |
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Did I say the best? I said ONE of the best in US history 
And not a good leader? Remember 9/11, hmm? Guess you forget that 
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:42 pm |
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Yes, I do remember 9/11. And I remember how it should have been avoided, but instead.... the bush adminitration passed up the evidence.
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:44 pm |
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| zero wrote: | | Yes, I do remember 9/11. And I remember how it should have been avoided, but instead.... the bush adminitration passed up the evidence. |
Wait a minute, you blame Bush for passing up the evidence on 9/11, but not on the evidece of WMDs in Iraq. *Cough*Hypocrisy...*cough*
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:46 pm |
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Very un... yeah, of me, but I so need to LMAO, 
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:48 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | zero wrote: | | Yes, I do remember 9/11. And I remember how it should have been avoided, but instead.... the bush adminitration passed up the evidence. |
Wait a minute, you blame Bush for passing up the evidence on 9/11, but not on the evidece of WMDs in Iraq. *Cough*Hypocrisy...*cough* |
Exactly. That's right. Hypocrisy. And knew about 9/11 ahead of time? All he got was ONE memo stating that bin Laden was planning to attack the US--NOTHING more!
And besides, don't you remember his leadership AFTER the attack? I've seen few other instances of such great leadership.
And what's LMAO mean?
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zero
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:49 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | zero wrote: | | Yes, I do remember 9/11. And I remember how it should have been avoided, but instead.... the bush adminitration passed up the evidence. |
Wait a minute, you blame Bush for passing up the evidence on 9/11, but not on the evidece of WMDs in Iraq. *Cough*Hypocrisy...*cough* |
What are you talking about? Where did I say anything about him passing up evidence of WMD's in Iraq?
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:51 pm |
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| zero wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | zero wrote: | | Yes, I do remember 9/11. And I remember how it should have been avoided, but instead.... the bush adminitration passed up the evidence. |
Wait a minute, you blame Bush for passing up the evidence on 9/11, but not on the evidece of WMDs in Iraq. *Cough*Hypocrisy...*cough* |
What are you talking about? Where did I say anything about him passing up evidence of WMD's in Iraq? |
Um you always complain about going to Iraq. That was one of the reasons we went there. WMDs. Because Bush acted on the threat.
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:52 pm |
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Oh of course! I hate the fact that we lost so many innocent lives because of NOTHING!
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Theresa
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:53 pm |
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LMAO means Laughing My Ass Off
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:54 pm |
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| zero wrote: | | Oh of course! I hate the fact that we lost so many innocent lives because of NOTHING! |
Thats being hypocritical...
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Theresa
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| Tue May 24, 2005 6:00 pm |
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What did Clinton do?
| Quote: | A brief time line:
1992 Clinton Elected
1993 Fergusson kills 6 on train
1993 World Trade Center Bombing
1994 Haiti invaded by US to restore Aristide
1994 Clinton gives a North Korea aid in Oil, Food and a Nuclear Reactor - no inspection required.
1995 Oklahoma City Bombing - IRAQ suspected of helping ?
1995 GATT evolves in to World Trade Organization
"In the eight years of its existence, WTO panels composed of corporate attorneys have ruled that: the US law protecting sea turtles was a barrier to "free trade"; that US clean air standards and laws protecting dolphins are too; that the European Union law banning hormone-treated beef is illegal. According to the WTO, our democratically elected public officials no longer have the rights to protect the environment and public health."
1995 Million Man March
1995 WACO compound destroyed
1996 Centenial Olympic Park Bombing
1996 Khobar Towers Bombing
1997 Kyoto Protocol
1997 Avg. Income US $29,000
1998 Osama Bin Laden wagws a Holy War against US.
1998 US Embassy Bombing In Africa - Clinton fires missles agains a factory that makes medication for Malaria - BAD Inteligence
1998 Clinton Impeached
Female Conquests - 6
Attempts - 4
Forced - 1
1998 and 99 Department of Energy tells Clinton North Korea is building nuclear missile program.
1998 Clinton Commerce Department allows sensitive data to be given to the Chinese in order to FIX missile problems. Technology now allows them to send nuclear missiles to the US. Washigton post says, "Cox referred to these computers last month, when he told a trade publication that the panel had uncovered new information "of grave concern to all members of the committee, in both parties," congressional staff members said.
The allegations involving the aerospace companies have been potentially damaging to the Clinton administration, which made it easier for U.S. firms to export sensitive technology. The sensitivity of the charges was heightened for the White House because the chairman of Loral, Bernard Schwartz, has been a major donor to Democrats. "
1999 AIDS Epidemis Peak
1999 NATO Bombs Serbia
1999 Littleton, Colorado
1999 Clinton announces 2nd year budget surplus
1999 Columbine
1999 DOW Jones hits all time high 11,723
2000 Longest economic expansion in US History
2000 NADAQ Stock Market Crash
2000 USS Cole - NO Retaliations
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| Quote: | 8/20/98 - "A few months ago, and again this week, bin Laden publicly vowed to wage a terrorist war against America, saying -- and I quote -- ``We do not differentiate between those dressed in military uniforms and civilians. They are all targets.''
Their mission is murder. And their history is bloody.
In recent years, they killed American, Belgian and Pakistani peacekeepers in Somalia. They plotted to assassinate the president of Egypt and the Pope. They planned to bomb six United States 747s over the Pacific.
They bombed the Egyptian embassy in Pakistan. They gunned down German tourists in Egypt. The most recent terrorist events are fresh in our memory. Two weeks ago, 12 Americans and nearly 300 Kenyans and Tanzanians lost their lives. And another 5,000 were wounded when our embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam were bombed.
There is convincing information from our intelligence community that the bin Laden terrorist network was responsible for these bombings. Based on this information, we have high confidence that these bombings were planned, financed and carried out by the organization bin Laden leads.
America has battled terrorism for many years. Where possible, we've used law enforcement and diplomatic tools to wage the fight. The long arm of American law has reached out around the world and brought to trial those guilty of attacks in New York, in Virginia and in the Pacific.
We have quietly disrupted terrorist groups and foiled their plots. We have isolated countries that practice terrorism. We've worked to build an international coalition against terror. But there have been and will be times when law enforcement and diplomatic tools are simply not enough.
When our very national security is challenged and when we must take extraordinary steps to protect the safety of our citizens. With compelling evidence that the bin Laden network of terrorist groups was planning to mount further attacks against Americans and other freedom-loving people, I decided America must act.
And so this morning, based on the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, I ordered our armed forces to take action to counter an immediate threat from the bin Laden network.
Earlier today, the United States carried out simultaneous strikes against terrorist facilities and infrastructure in Afghanistan. Our forces targeted one of the most active terrorist bases in the world. It contained key elements of the bin Laden network's infrastructure and has served as a training camp for literally thousands of terrorists from around the globe.
We have reason to believe that a gathering of key terrorist leaders was to take place there today, thus underscoring the urgency of our actions.
Our forces also attacked a factory in Sudan associated with the bin Laden network. The factory was involved in the production of materials for chemical weapons.
The United States does not take this action lightly. Afghanistan and Sudan have been warned for years to stop harboring and supporting these terrorist groups.
But countries that persistently host terrorists have no right to be safe havens. Let me express my gratitude to our intelligence and law enforcement agencies for their hard, good work. And let me express my pride in our armed forces, who carried out this mission while making every possible effort to minimize the loss of innocent lives.
I want you to understand, I want the world to understand that our actions today were not aimed against Islam, the faith of hundreds of millions of good, peace-loving people all around the world, including the United States. No religion condones the murder of innocent men, women and children. But our actions were aimed at fanatics and killers who wrap murder in the cloak of righteousness, and in so doing, profane the great religion in whose name they claim to act.
My fellow Americans, our battle against terrorism did not begin with the bombing of our embassies in Africa, nor will it end with today's strike.
It will require strength, courage and endurance. We will not yield to this threat. We will meet it no matter how long it may take. This will be a long, ongoing struggle between freedom and fanaticism, between the rule of law and terrorism.
We must be prepared to do all that we can for as long as we must. America is and will remain a target of terrorists precisely because we are leaders; because we act to advance peace, democracy and basic human values; because we're the most open society on earth; and because, as we have shown yet again, we take an uncompromising stand against terrorism.
But of this, I am also sure. The risks from inaction to America and the world would be far greater than action. For that would embolden our enemies, leaving their ability and their willingness to strike us intact.
In this case, we knew before our attack that these groups already had planned further actions against us and others.
I want to reiterate the United States wants peace, not conflict. We want to lift lives around the world, not take them. We have worked for peace in Bosnia, in Northern Ireland, in Haiti, in the Middle East and elsewhere.
But in this day, no campaign for peace can succeed without a determination to fight terrorism. Let our actions today send this message loud and clear: There are no expendable American targets.
There will be no sanctuary for terrorists. We will defend our people, our interests and our values. We will help people of all faiths, in all parts of the world, who want to live free of fear and violence.
We will persist and we will prevail.
Thank you, God bless you and may God bless our country."
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