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 Mon May 23, 2005 7:16 pm Star Wars-Revisions to the entire Trilogy |
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Since we have all seen all 6 movies, what revisions do you want made to any of the 6 movies?
I know this blasphemy but we need to tweak the OT a little bit. Old Ben VS Darth Vader. After that amazing fight in the Original Trilogy, we return to see them fight like that? You would think that Darth Vader was harboring all that animoisty towards Obi Wan for twenty years. The fight is so slow and after seeing Obi Wan and Anakin's skills in III, it just doesn't seem to flow correctly.
Another would be maybe having Dooku be at Qui Gon's funeral. You would think he would be there of all people.
Any other stuff you guys might think of?
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| Mon May 23, 2005 7:18 pm |
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About a million. All good reasons too Re-make episodes IV, V and VI.
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| Mon May 23, 2005 7:56 pm |
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it was a slower fight in A new hope because they were older.
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| Mon May 23, 2005 8:13 pm |
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| mad_d0ggie wrote: | | it was a slower fight in A new hope because they were older. |
Older? Obi was in his late 50s and Anakin was in his late 40s. While palpatine was in his late 60s and Dooku was around 80! The older thing doesn't hold an argument. 
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| Mon May 23, 2005 8:22 pm Re: Star Wars-Revisions to the entire Trilogy |
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| Founder wrote: | Since we have all seen all 6 movies, what revisions do you want made to any of the 6 movies?
I know this blasphemy but we need to tweak the OT a little bit. Old Ben VS Darth Vader. After that amazing fight in the Original Trilogy, we return to see them fight like that? You would think that Darth Vader was harboring all that animoisty towards Obi Wan for twenty years. The fight is so slow and after seeing Obi Wan and Anakin's skills in III, it just doesn't seem to flow correctly.
Another would be maybe having Dooku be at Qui Gon's funeral. You would think he would be there of all people.
Any other stuff you guys might think of? |
First of all, it's Saga. Trilogy is only two episodes, unless it's Hitchhiker's Guide . Second, perhaps the Dooku being at Qui-Gon's funeral would be good and logical, however I would NOT redo the Vader vs. Obi-Wan fight in IV because we couldn't clash it by putting in a new Obi-Wan. We can't have a new one for the fight. Besides, I don't think Vader can do as much as when he was Anakin, as was seen in the fights of V and VI.
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| Mon May 23, 2005 8:26 pm Re: Star Wars-Revisions to the entire Trilogy |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Founder wrote: | Since we have all seen all 6 movies, what revisions do you want made to any of the 6 movies?
I know this blasphemy but we need to tweak the OT a little bit. Old Ben VS Darth Vader. After that amazing fight in the Original Trilogy, we return to see them fight like that? You would think that Darth Vader was harboring all that animoisty towards Obi Wan for twenty years. The fight is so slow and after seeing Obi Wan and Anakin's skills in III, it just doesn't seem to flow correctly.
Another would be maybe having Dooku be at Qui Gon's funeral. You would think he would be there of all people.
Any other stuff you guys might think of? |
First of all, it's Saga. Trilogy is only two episodes, unless it's Hitchhiker's Guide . Second, perhaps the Dooku being at Qui-Gon's funeral would be good and logical, however I would NOT redo the Vader vs. Obi-Wan fight in IV because we couldn't clash it by putting in a new Obi-Wan. We can't have a new one for the fight. Besides, I don't think Vader can do as much as when he was Anakin, as was seen in the fights of V and VI. |
Not really. Obi Wan had his hood up. So it would be easy to replace him. I'm not saying put dialogue or anything, but a little more in the lightsaber department. I don't want to get rid of the old scenes. Keep them there, but maybe mix like a few fast cuts and slashes. Nothing big. I don't want to redo the scene. Maybe a little flashy fighting then slowing down with an old scene then back and forth.
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| Mon May 23, 2005 8:29 pm Re: Star Wars-Revisions to the entire Trilogy |
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| Founder wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Founder wrote: | Since we have all seen all 6 movies, what revisions do you want made to any of the 6 movies?
I know this blasphemy but we need to tweak the OT a little bit. Old Ben VS Darth Vader. After that amazing fight in the Original Trilogy, we return to see them fight like that? You would think that Darth Vader was harboring all that animoisty towards Obi Wan for twenty years. The fight is so slow and after seeing Obi Wan and Anakin's skills in III, it just doesn't seem to flow correctly.
Another would be maybe having Dooku be at Qui Gon's funeral. You would think he would be there of all people.
Any other stuff you guys might think of? |
First of all, it's Saga. Trilogy is only two episodes, unless it's Hitchhiker's Guide . Second, perhaps the Dooku being at Qui-Gon's funeral would be good and logical, however I would NOT redo the Vader vs. Obi-Wan fight in IV because we couldn't clash it by putting in a new Obi-Wan. We can't have a new one for the fight. Besides, I don't think Vader can do as much as when he was Anakin, as was seen in the fights of V and VI. |
Not really. Obi Wan had his hood up. So it would be easy to replace him. I'm not saying put dialogue or anything, but a little more in the lightsaber department. I don't want to get rid of the old scenes. Keep them there, but maybe mix like a few fast cuts and slashes. Nothing big. I don't want to redo the scene. Maybe a little flashy fighting then slowing down with an old scene then back and forth. |
It would never look the same. Besides, I think it's fine the way it is. If you change this, then you have to change V and VI, because Vader, although he does more than in IV, does not fight like he did in III.
I think it should stay the way it is. The Special Edition was enough revisions. But if you DO revive anything, make it be the more recent PT.
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| Mon May 23, 2005 8:29 pm |
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Maybe the bad LS fights were because the Force had become so clouded by then... because most of lightsaber fighting is based on extreme use of the Force, anticipating moves and such. That's what I always like to think of the discrepancy as.
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| Mon May 23, 2005 8:30 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Older? Obi was in his late 50s and Anakin was in his late 40s. While palpatine was in his late 60s and Dooku was around 80! The older thing doesn't hold an argument. |
Not to mention that Yoda is, what, nine hundred years old and he can still outfight Dooku! 
| Republican_Man wrote: | | First of all, it's Saga. Trilogy is only two episodes, unless it's Hitchhiker's Guide |
A trilogy is three parts. Tri- meaning "three" and logos meaning word (Greek). Thus, the original three Star Wars movies are a trilogy unto themselves, as are the newest three, and altogether they constitute the "Star Wars saga."
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| Mon May 23, 2005 8:31 pm |
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| Sam Kenobi wrote: | | Maybe the bad LS fights were because the Force had become so clouded by then... because most of lightsaber fighting is based on extreme use of the Force, anticipating moves and such. That's what I always like to think of the discrepancy as. |
That's a good theory which makes fine sense.
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| Mon May 23, 2005 8:31 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | Older? Obi was in his late 50s and Anakin was in his late 40s. While palpatine was in his late 60s and Dooku was around 80! The older thing doesn't hold an argument. |
Not to mention that Yoda is, what, nine hundred years old and he can still outfight Dooku!
| Republican_Man wrote: | | First of all, it's Saga. Trilogy is only two episodes, unless it's Hitchhiker's Guide |
A trilogy is three parts. Tri- meaning "three" and logos meaning word (Greek). Thus, the original three Star Wars movies are a trilogy unto themselves, as are the newest three, and altogether they constitute the "Star Wars saga." |
lol, I meant three, don't know why I put two
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| Mon May 23, 2005 8:32 pm |
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The Force doesn't REALLY dictate how you fight with a lightsaber. It may help, but that doesn't really mean everyone has to fight like s**t. BTW? I wouldn't mind revamping the fights in V or VI.
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| Mon May 23, 2005 8:34 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | The Force doesn't REALLY dictate how you fight with a lightsaber. It may help, but that doesn't really mean everyone has to fight like s**t. BTW? I wouldn't mind revamping the fights in V or VI. |
I think that's too much. It's too much butchering of the movies. We might as well remake them, which you appear to be opposed to.
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| Mon May 23, 2005 8:36 pm |
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The Force dictates just about everything with the Jedi. That's why their fights are so awesome, because the Force anticipates moves and guides the lightsaber to the next place it needs to go. Er... that's what all the books say, anyway. I mean, granted you still have to be an awesome swordfighter, but really. You don't see awesomeness like that too often unless it's coreographed. Fencing is about the closest thing.
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| Mon May 23, 2005 8:40 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | The Force doesn't REALLY dictate how you fight with a lightsaber. It may help, but that doesn't really mean everyone has to fight like s**t. BTW? I wouldn't mind revamping the fights in V or VI. |
I think that's too much. It's too much butchering of the movies. We might as well remake them, which you appear to be opposed to. |
Wow you are really over exagerating. I'm only saying add like one little thing. Not take anything out. It wouldn't be that big of a deal.
Sam Kenobi you prove good points. I agree that the Force helps them fight it out. I think only Jedi can really handle a lightsaber too. But I've seen people duel a lot faster than that, that are not Jedi.
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| Mon May 23, 2005 8:44 pm |
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lol... ok. That's just my theory... I think it works better that redoing the originals.
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| Mon May 23, 2005 8:44 pm |
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To add on to Kenobi's point, "The Force is what gives a Jedi its power." -- Obi-Wan Kenobi, Episode IV. My guess is that would include saber fighting
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| Tue May 24, 2005 3:16 am |
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havnt they already been altered enough! Leave them alone for once. There excellent as they are they dont need changing.
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| Tue May 24, 2005 3:31 am |
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Why do people fight against altering them? You all make it seem like i'm trying to revise the movie. I want to add stuff. So both trilogies flow a little better. Geez.
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| Tue May 24, 2005 7:59 am |
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My personal stance on the "revision" process to movies . . . just let it go. Mistakes are there to be caught. I'm not a fan of retconning (although it has its uses) and I don't mind continuity errors. (This coming from the guy who can't keep his own stories straight, let alone others; plus Hitchhiker's has been revised so many times that no one knows the true story anymore--because there isn't one. )
A movie, just like a book, should stand up to the test of time itself. There have already been so many Star Wars editions ("Digitally Re-masterd," "Extended Edition," "The I-Want-To-Make-More-Money Edition") that I'm already confused. In addition, this sort of power to alter a previous movie slightly worries me in a 1984-like way--we're starting to alter the past because we don't like certain parts. I know I'm being slightly reactionary in that sense, but it could happen. . . .
Lucas originally made revisions because he had the technology to do what he wanted to do back then, now. Other than that, anything else just seems like an attempt to make the saga more coherent and free from continuity errors, but that's not the point. Let Star Wars breathe on its own. We like something for its virtues, but we love it for its flaws. 
| Founder wrote: | | You all make it seem like i'm trying to revise the movie. |
The title does say "Revisions."
| Founder wrote: | | So both trilogies flow a little better. |
Gah! It is not "flow." It is "unity" and "coherence." In Yoda's voice, "Unity or coherence, there is no 'flow.'"
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| Tue May 24, 2005 10:27 am |
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When I say revisions, I mean add little things. Not take out anything. I understand that not everything will flow better because it was made in a different time. Some thing just make NO sense. Like there are certain types of aliens EVERYWHERE in the PT and not one is seen in the OT. Would it hurt to add some of the ones seen everywhere in the PT in the backround in ONE scene? I don't understand why so many people are opposed to adding more to the OT. No offense to all the OT purists, but I dislike them VERY much. I'm sick of all of this "Don't touch the precious OT!!!" You know what you could do? NOT BUY THE NEW DVDS! Go and watch the original version with no additions. With slow and clumsy lightsaber fights. With horrible graphics. Its all yours for the taking. I don't understand why all these "fans" b***h about revising the movies and then go right out and buy it! You don't like them? Don't buy them. If you tell me "Well I'm a fan, I need to buy it!" Then you're being hypocritical. Don't mess this up for the fans that DO want revisions. That want better flow. That want more and make them even more epic(If thats possible) than they are.
(All of that was not directed at HH. More at EVERY OT purist )
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:47 pm |
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^HORRIBLE graphics? HORRIBLE? My dear friend, they are GREAT graphics--especially for their time! No, no, leave them the way they were meant to be. Don't change the great Original Trilogy in any way. Just don't. You don't mess with these things.
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:48 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | ^HORRIBLE graphics? HORRIBLE? My dear friend, they are GREAT graphics--especially for their time! No, no, leave them the way they were meant to be. Don't change the great Original Trilogy in any way. Just don't. You don't mess with these things. |
As I already said, no one is forcing you to watch the new editions. Simply turn away and watch the old tapes. Don't mess this up for the fans who do want revisions.
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:51 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | ^HORRIBLE graphics? HORRIBLE? My dear friend, they are GREAT graphics--especially for their time! No, no, leave them the way they were meant to be. Don't change the great Original Trilogy in any way. Just don't. You don't mess with these things. |
As I already said, no one is forcing you to watch the new editions. Simply turn away and watch the old tapes. Don't mess this up for the fans who do want revisions. |
Oh, yeah, right, so now I shouldn't be standing in the way of those who want to change the movies from how they were meant to be? Oh yeah, that's nice  I don't care if I wouldn't watch them--I think that we should keep them the way they are. It kind of makes me think of this like the Gay Marriage debate...
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| Tue May 24, 2005 5:53 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | ^HORRIBLE graphics? HORRIBLE? My dear friend, they are GREAT graphics--especially for their time! No, no, leave them the way they were meant to be. Don't change the great Original Trilogy in any way. Just don't. You don't mess with these things. |
As I already said, no one is forcing you to watch the new editions. Simply turn away and watch the old tapes. Don't mess this up for the fans who do want revisions. |
Oh, yeah, right, so now I shouldn't be standing in the way of those who want to change the movies from how they were meant to be? Oh yeah, that's nice I don't care if I wouldn't watch them--I think that we should keep them the way they are. It kind of makes me think of this like the Gay Marriage debate... |
Did you ever stop to think that maybe not EVERYONE thinks this is the way the movies were meant to be? Lucas obviously doesn't or he wouldn't keep going back and changing them. What? Your on some personal quest to stop the changes? Thats the type of fans I don't like. They moan and complain that the PT sucks. So what do they go do? Watch Episode III ten times. They moan and complain that the OT shouldn't be changed, but they still go out and buy the new editions. Hypocrites.
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