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U.S. Investigates Source of Saddam Photos
Friday, May 20, 2005
WASHINGTON � President Bush and the U.S. military on Friday condemned the publication of photographs of a near-naked Saddam Hussein (search) in prison and said an investigation had been started to find who took and released the photos.
A front-page picture in the British tabloid The Sun showed the former Iraqi dictator, clad only in white briefs, folding a pair of trousers. Another on an inside page showed Saddam hand-washing a piece of clothing.
The Sun said it obtained the photos from "U.S. military sources." In the United States, the New York Post ran a story, reprinted the photos and used the same image on its front page. Click here to read the story (registration required).
(The Sun, the New York Post and the FOX News Channel are all owned by News Corp.)
Bush was briefed by senior aides Friday morning about the photos' existence, and "strongly supports the aggressive and thorough investigation that is already under way" that seeks to find who took them, White House press spokesman Trent Duffy said.
The White House (search) declined to say what decisions news organizations should make about disseminating the photos. "That's your job," he said.
With the inquiry ongoing, he also would not comment on how the pictures may affect the U.S. image abroad. But the president downplayed the importance of the photos in stirring up the Iraqi insurgency.
"I think the insurgency is inspired by their desire to stop the march of freedom," Bush said.
U.S. military sources told FOX News that the photo is about a year old judging from the way Saddam looks today. Saddam was captured in December 2003 and remains in custody. He is charged with war crimes, but no date has been set for his trial.
Officials also are attempting to determine whether the images were taken from a surveillance camera or hand-held camera. In any case, release of the photos was a violation of U.S. procedures, said Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman.
According to the New York Post, closed-circuit cameras monitor Saddam's every movement, including when he is in the bathroom.
"This is something that should not have happened," Whitman said.
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's chief spokesman, Lawrence Di Rita, said Rumsfeld was informed of the photos' publication and told that the matter is being "aggressively" investigated by U.S. officials in Iraq.
"We take seriously our responsibility to ensure the safety and security of all detainees," a Pentagon statement released Friday read.
Senior defense officials are extremely upset with the release and said the investigation is "very serious."
"If someone thought this was meant to make Saddam look bad, it has really made us look bad," one official told FOX News.
A statement by the U.S. military in Baghdad said the photos violated military guidelines "and possibly Geneva Convention guidelines for the humane treatment of detained individuals." The Red Cross also said the pictures may violate the Geneva Conventions.
Former ambassador Marc Ginsberg (search), who served in various posts in the Middle East, said that given the recent brouhaha over Newsweek falsely reporting that U.S. troops at Guantanamo Bay had flushed a copy of the Korean down the toilet and recent U.S. efforts to change its image in the Arab world, the timing of the Saddam photos is unfortunately.
"This is a time in which we're tring to repair the damage and these pictures can't do anything but anger Arabs and the Arab world," said Ginsberg, a FOX News foreign affairs analyst.
Bush said he did not think photos of would incite further anti-American sentiment in Iraq. "I don't think a photo inspires murderers," the president said.
"These people are motivated by a vision of the world that is backward and barbaric," Bush told reporters in the Oval Office where he met with the prime minister of Denmark, Anders Fogh Rasmussen.
Later, however, Duffy said the photos could be perceived by members of the insurgency in much the same way as revelations of detainee abuse at the Abu Ghraib (search) prison in Iraq.
"This could have serious impact, as we talked about, with the revelations of prisoner abuse," he said. "What the United States did in both of those situations, however, is recognize that, take immediate steps to investigate and get to the bottom of why it happened and how it happened and take steps to make sure that ... people are held to account."
Sen. Patrick Leahy told FOX News that the media isn't necessarily to blame, in this case, for any violent acts done by insurgents.
"I don't blame the news media for reporting they had him [pictures of Saddam], I blame the people who took them and I agree with President Bush that this is probably, in all likeliehood, is a violation of the Geneva Convention. I'm glad to see our Pentagon looking into it," the Vermont Democrat told FOX News.
"The person who took it should be punished but if anybody's claiming it's going to inflame passions, come on, the president is actually right ... these are evil people doing evil things."
FOX News' Bret Baier and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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CJ Cregg
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| Fri May 20, 2005 5:07 pm |
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The Sun is possibly the worst newspaper in existance. Just shows how low they will stoop just to get sales. The pictures are in breach of the geneva convention and the west is supposed to be high and mighty on civil and human rights 
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| Fri May 20, 2005 5:25 pm |
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| charmed88 wrote: | | The Sun is possibly the worst newspaper in existance. Just shows how low they will stoop just to get sales. The pictures are in breach of the geneva convention and the west is supposed to be high and mighty on civil and human rights |
Sales? I think it's yet another attempt at hurting the President.
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| Fri May 20, 2005 5:30 pm |
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/\ nope, everything in that godforsaken rag is to do with money
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CJ Cregg
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| Fri May 20, 2005 5:31 pm |
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The Sun was and is a Pro-War paper and when has it ever tried to hurt the president before?
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| Fri May 20, 2005 5:33 pm |
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| madlilnerd wrote: | | /\ nope, everything in that godforsaken rag is to do with money |
You don't know American media, then  It's more about politics than money.
| charmed88 wrote: | | The Sun was and is a Pro-War paper and when has it ever tried to hurt the president before? |
Taking a guess because of the media slant I don't really know the Sun, so maybe it is money, if what you say is true, yet you ARE liberal.
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CJ Cregg
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| Fri May 20, 2005 5:37 pm |
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The sun is a far right newspaper in my view. The US media may be liberal. But the UK seems more right wing. Daily Mail, Daily Express, The Sun, The Daily Telegraph.
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| Fri May 20, 2005 5:40 pm |
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| charmed88 wrote: | | The sun is a far right newspaper in my view. The US media may be liberal. But the UK seems more right wing. Daily Mail, Daily Express, The Sun, The Daily Telegraph. |
Oh, it's from England. Makes sense. Okay, well, you're a liberal, so you can believe it too right-wing. From what I've heard, and read, of and about British media is that it's just as left-wing as in America, and perhaps worse. But as you British have said, it's more Liberal there than here, and therefore when something isn't TOO Liberal (or not Liberal enough, by your view) it's stil Liberal.
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CJ Cregg
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| Fri May 20, 2005 5:42 pm |
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Heres what the "Sun Says" about it, see if you think its liberal
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ONE word cries out from The Sun's exclusive pictures of Saddam Hussein.
JUSTICE!
The man who once terrorised millions, and murdered hundreds of thousands, is a broken, shabby shell.
Once he sat on elaborate thrones in palaces so sumptuous that even the bathtaps were solid gold.
Today The Sun shows him slumped forward in a cheap plastic chair, suffering the indignity of washing his own socks.
Once he strutted around Iraq in a crisp uniform bestrewn with medals he had awarded himself.
Today he shuffles around his exercise area, guarded by razor wire, in a robe and open sandals.
The humiliation of Saddam is complete, and surely no man deserves it more.
He awaits his fate at the hands of the people he forced to endure a reign of terror and poverty.
The Iraqi court he will face could order his execution. No one will blame them if they do.
But they might just consider that keeping Saddam in a rough jail until the day he dies is a harsher sentence. |
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| Fri May 20, 2005 5:45 pm |
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The sun is a disgusting newpaper. Anyone who can read adequately will tell you that. The sun has a picture of a topless woman on it's 3rd page, yet the articles have a reading age of six. Compare that to the Telegraph, or the Times, which have a reading age of 12. Which would you rather read. The sun is such a scuzzy waste of tree that it uses bright colours on it's cover to attract it's readers, which suggests that it's readers have a thought track like this: "Ooooh, pretty colours..."
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| Fri May 20, 2005 5:46 pm |
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| madlilnerd wrote: | | The sun is a disgusting newpaper. Anyone who can read adequately will tell you that. The sun has a picture of a topless woman on it's 3rd page, yet the articles have a reading age of six. Compare that to the Telegraph, or the Times, which have a reading age of 12. Which would you rather read. The sun is such a scuzzy waste of tree that it uses bright colours on it's cover to attract it's readers, which suggests that it's readers have a thought track like this: "Ooooh, pretty colours..." |
Well then. The Sun is more profit-oriented, okay. But it's not very conservative, then, Charmed
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| Fri May 20, 2005 5:48 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Well then. The Sun is more profit-oriented, okay. |
It's almost always about money. Even in American and Canadian media, the main reason that many media outlets are publishing anti- or pro- political stories (because there are both) is for the money. People like controversy, people like scandal, people like "the inside scoop." That's why those omnipresent grocery store tabloids can afford to keep publishing week after week . . . some poor saps actually buy them. 
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| Fri May 20, 2005 5:50 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Well then. The Sun is more profit-oriented, okay. |
It's almost always about money. Even in American and Canadian media, the main reason that many media outlets are publishing anti- or pro- political stories (because there are both) is for the money. People like controversy, people like scandal, people like "the inside scoop." That's why those omnipresent grocery store tabloids can afford to keep publishing week after week . . . some poor saps actually buy them. |
No, it's really almost always about the politics, I have to disagree with you. The media has almost ALWAYS been liberal for YEARS, and it's much more attack the president, which harms the troops, and attack republicans than anything else. Money plays a big role, but politics is the biggest.
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| Fri May 20, 2005 5:52 pm |
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Here in england we have a pretty equal balance between our right wing and our left wing newspapers. The news channels are inbetween I think...
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| Fri May 20, 2005 5:53 pm |
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| madlilnerd wrote: | | Here in england we have a pretty equal balance between our right wing and our left wing newspapers. The news channels are inbetween I think... |
I wouldn't think so, but then again, England IS more Liberal, so from your point of view...
But the BBC, like the CBC, is incredibly liberal (and now that I think about it, I've watched BBC World here, and it's horribly left-wing)
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CJ Cregg
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| Fri May 20, 2005 5:59 pm |
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I think the UK is becoming too far right wing. There is an increasing number of people voting for extreme partys like the BNP, which are nothing more than racists
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | No, it's really almost always about the politics, I have to disagree with you. The media has almost ALWAYS been liberal for YEARS, and it's much more attack the president, which harms the troops, and attack republicans than anything else. Money plays a big role, but politics is the biggest. |
The media only attacks the president because it is profitable to do so. If it were profitable to be right-wing, they would be right-wing (and there are right-wing media as well, but I agree that in general media has a tendency to be left-of-centre).
I will bring up scandal as an example. I'm a little too young to remember the details of the events, but I recall that the media made a nice fuss about Bill Clinton's involvement with Monica Lewinski. And in Canada, our Liberal government daily receives criticism from a variety of sources, including our government-funded news station.
The media has always had the tendency to challenge the government on issues. Right now, a lot of people, particularly Americans, are polarized and interested in political issues, so politics sells. And because politics sells, media are publishing more political stories.
Edit: About the CBC being Liberal . . . that's a matter of hefty opinion. The CBC only seems Liberal to most people because admittedly, even the Conservative Party of Canada is more Liberal than the Democratic Party in the United States. (Or somewhere about there. )
For example, my favourite news show produced by the CBC, The Hour, has received emails that accuse it of being biased both in favour of Liberals and in favour of Conservatives. So it's really just a matter of how people interpret it. As long as they continue to receive complaints from both sides, I think they are doing a pretty good job.
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | No, it's really almost always about the politics, I have to disagree with you. The media has almost ALWAYS been liberal for YEARS, and it's much more attack the president, which harms the troops, and attack republicans than anything else. Money plays a big role, but politics is the biggest. |
The media only attacks the president because it is profitable to do so. If it were profitable to be right-wing, they would be right-wing (and there are right-wing media as well, but I agree that in general media has a tendency to be left-of-centre).
I will bring up scandal as an example. I'm a little too young to remember the details of the events, but I recall that the media made a nice fuss about Bill Clinton's involvement with Monica Lewinski. And in Canada, our Liberal government daily receives criticism from a variety of sources, including our government-funded news station.
The media has always had the tendency to challenge the government on issues. Right now, a lot of people, particularly Americans, are polarized and interested in political issues, so politics sells. And because politics sells, media are publishing more political stories. |
Well, something like the Lewinski scandal is RIGHT for the media to cover to no end, but otherwise they ARE Liberal, and have been since the Carter administration and even BEFORE. It's not changing by what's profitable. They simply are LIBERAL. End of story.
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| Fri May 20, 2005 6:02 pm |
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lol, here is tommorrows AWFUL and Distasteful frontpage of the Sun
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| Fri May 20, 2005 6:03 pm |
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| charmed88 wrote: | lol, here is tommorrows AWFUL and Distasteful frontpage of the Sun
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Disgusting. I don't like that paper. DISGUSTING.
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Told you it was a discusting rag. Its the worst of the worst of the british press. Well maybe the Daily Star is slightly worst. But thats what you get with cheesy tabloid papers, anything for a few extra sales. Thats why i prefer Broadsheet papers. No cheesy headlines, just clear and simple news with no fuss 
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| Fri May 20, 2005 6:13 pm |
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I recommend Google News. You can personalize it for your country/language. Rather than offering news stories, it offers headlines with links to a variety of sources.
That's right ladies and gentlemen! Now instead of having the bias thrown at you, you can choose your own flavour of bias! Looking at the results here . . . "1,030 related," "231 related," "135 related," I'd say that you have a large number of sources from which you may choose.
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| Fri May 20, 2005 9:32 pm |
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They have a saying in the tabloid industry:
"Why report the news when you can just make it up?"
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The Sun is the second worst tabloid paper in the UK. The Daily Star is by far the worst. The Mirror is after The Sun. I personally tend to read the Times (right wing paper... very conservative) or the Socialist Worker (come on.... guess  ). Both require me to have a reading age above 6
BBC World is nothing like BBC News 24. For one, it is more liberal than the news we get here in the UK. BBC News tends to be quite balanced, with complaints from both sides (sound familiar?). Watching BBC Breakfast, when they were covering the hunting ban, they had equal time for both those supporting and opposing the ban.
The BNP is definitely a worry. They are a Nazi party, and very right wing. Luckily, they didn't do too well in the last election, but the fact they got any votes at all is extremely worrying.
The Sun is definitely a right-wing paper... for those conservatives with a low reading age. It's a horrible paper though, and I hate that it's the most popular paper here.
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I think that it's deskusting what there doing! And Mr Bushes stuped punn! "Ill get to the bottom of this" Well Im not laughing!
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