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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
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 Mon May 16, 2005 10:28 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | We understand its illegal, but what you TWO have to understand is that these are people. |
| Definition of People according to Dictionary.com wrote: | People:
1. Humans considered as a group or in indefinite numbers: People were dancing in the street. I met all sorts of people.
2. A body of persons living in the same country under one national government; a nationality.
3. pl. peo�ples A body of persons sharing a common religion, culture, language, or inherited condition of life.
4. Persons with regard to their residence, class, profession, or group: city people.
5. The mass of ordinary persons; the populace. Used with the: �those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes� (Thomas Jefferson).
6. The citizens of a political unit, such as a nation or state; the electorate. Used with the.
7. Persons subordinate to or loyal to a ruler, superior, or employer: The queen showed great compassion for her people.
8. Family, relatives, or ancestors.
9. Informal. Animals or other beings distinct from humans: Rabbits and squirrels are the furry little people of the woods. |
Yep, I know they're people  And I know that MOST of them are trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. I would venture to guess that I would do the EXACT SAME THING if I were in their position, but they're breaking our laws, and we can't keep rewarding them with amnesty, even if it is in certain areas, and other things, and allow our borders to be wide open and more people to die because of SOME evil, idiotic illegals coming through. Laws are meant to be enforced, not broken and then rewarded for the breaking of them
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Puck
The Texan
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| Mon May 16, 2005 10:36 pm |
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I think we need to make it easier for them to all get through legally. We can see that they are going to get here one way or another, so we might as well make it easy so that they can pass through and we can document them. Having them documented would be much more safe for America as well.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon May 16, 2005 10:37 pm |
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| Puck wrote: | | I think we need to make it easier for them to all get through legally. We can see that they are going to get here one way or another, so we might as well make it easy so that they can pass through and we can document them. Having them documented would be much more safe for America as well. |
We can't say EASY, but we have to say EASIER. With easy, that would forgo many necessary security checks. I say do a good amount of security, etc, but at the same time it should be EASIER.
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Puck
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| Mon May 16, 2005 10:40 pm |
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It needs to be easy enough so that they don't feel any need to do it illegally. Then we would know that any illegal immigrants probably have something to hide.
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webtaz99
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| Mon May 16, 2005 10:48 pm |
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In addition to documenting everyone (immigrants and citizens), we need to enforce the minimum wage, social security, federal taxes, and other laws.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon May 16, 2005 10:49 pm |
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | In addition to documenting everyone (immigrants and citizens), we need to enforce the minimum wage, social security, federal taxes, and other laws. |
Like that'll ever happen with the political environment these days 
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Jeremy
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Jeremy wrote: | So RM, if you were in a country where you were tortured and so on and you had the chance to escape to another country but when you got there you weren't allowed in, what would you do? Go back? Or stay?
Stay. But people from those countries are considered REGUGEES, NOT illegals
Also if people are so concerned about the amount of money being used on the illegal immigrants then we should also think about the worlds trade system. Basically rich countries buy raw materials and process it, as the raw materials are so much cheaper than the final product. This is exported, and lots of money made. So what would be a way round it? Oh, the 3rd world countries decide to process the materials themselves. Good idea, get more money. One problem - they get charged extra taxes so that their goods are more expensive than the goods made in the rich country. Thus people don't buy them. So if we complain about the money used on illegals we shoud also complain about this system, which results in many of them being poor and moving country looking for a better wage. |
Their governments should do what they can to improve their economy. It's not America's job to do so
And btw, one of the most important things that we have to do is DISPOSE OF THE SANCTUARY CITY POLICY in cities like Boulder, Denver, and LA. If Denver didn't have that policy, as well, the murder of the police officer would not have happened. So there are two parts to it--all dealing with illegal immigration. |
You obviously didn't read the second part of my post, The system is biased against them so they can't do it. Also for a number of the countries because of the corrupt governments in the past are in a huge amount of debt. They are paying more back in the interest of debt than they recieve in aid.
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Dirt
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| Tue May 17, 2005 11:20 am |
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Whoops, nevermind 
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Republican_Man
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| Tue May 17, 2005 6:15 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Jeremy wrote: | So RM, if you were in a country where you were tortured and so on and you had the chance to escape to another country but when you got there you weren't allowed in, what would you do? Go back? Or stay?
Stay. But people from those countries are considered REGUGEES, NOT illegals
Also if people are so concerned about the amount of money being used on the illegal immigrants then we should also think about the worlds trade system. Basically rich countries buy raw materials and process it, as the raw materials are so much cheaper than the final product. This is exported, and lots of money made. So what would be a way round it? Oh, the 3rd world countries decide to process the materials themselves. Good idea, get more money. One problem - they get charged extra taxes so that their goods are more expensive than the goods made in the rich country. Thus people don't buy them. So if we complain about the money used on illegals we shoud also complain about this system, which results in many of them being poor and moving country looking for a better wage. |
Their governments should do what they can to improve their economy. It's not America's job to do so
And btw, one of the most important things that we have to do is DISPOSE OF THE SANCTUARY CITY POLICY in cities like Boulder, Denver, and LA. If Denver didn't have that policy, as well, the murder of the police officer would not have happened. So there are two parts to it--all dealing with illegal immigration. |
You obviously didn't read the second part of my post, The system is biased against them so they can't do it. Also for a number of the countries because of the corrupt governments in the past are in a huge amount of debt. They are paying more back in the interest of debt than they recieve in aid. |
Economic system biased against the illegals? Actually, NO. It's biased TOWARDS them, and that's a problem
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Jeremy
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| Thu May 19, 2005 10:46 am |
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You REALLY didn't read that. Please do so now if you make any more comments. I'm not saying the system is biased against them, I'm saying the trade systems we have are encouraging illegals because they're so unfair against poor countries.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu May 19, 2005 1:09 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | You REALLY didn't read that. Please do so now if you make any more comments. I'm not saying the system is biased against them, I'm saying the trade systems we have are encouraging illegals because they're so unfair against poor countries. |
Okay, I understand now; I apologize, Jeremy 
Actually, I would say that it's because of one word: profits.
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Jeremy
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| Thu May 19, 2005 2:10 pm |
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It's ok, but please read in the future,
It is for the profit, as well as protecting jobs in the rich countries. The problem is that it decreases them in other countries so some of them feel the need to move to richer countries. If they can't get in through proper procedures then they may go illegal. I'm not saying this is right as such, but that I can understand if they're desperate.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu May 19, 2005 8:57 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | It's ok, but please read in the future,
It is for the profit, as well as protecting jobs in the rich countries. The problem is that it decreases them in other countries so some of them feel the need to move to richer countries. If they can't get in through proper procedures then they may go illegal. I'm not saying this is right as such, but that I can understand if they're desperate. |
I did read it, but I didn't understand.
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