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HomerSimpson
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 Sat May 14, 2005 11:35 am Drug Companies exploit Human SUFFERING |
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I have heard that the Drug companies have the CURES to many mental and Physical Diseases, but they will NOT give them to people suffering from these terrible diseases because the companies want to make Profit and keep people dependant on drugs to treat theses Terrible disease
Are the Drug companies trying to find CURES, or they just won't make them available
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Republican_Man
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| Sat May 14, 2005 11:46 am |
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Post evidence for your claims, please. So that we can truly discuss this  
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HomerSimpson
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| Sat May 14, 2005 11:59 am SPR... Stop Prison Rape,,, Humane treatment for Criminals |
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People in Prison or Jails, shouldn't have to fear rape
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HomerSimpson
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| Sat May 14, 2005 11:59 am It's true |
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The drug companies could make cures but they don't
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madlilnerd
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| Sat May 14, 2005 12:18 pm |
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Shouldn't this be in World News?
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Dirt
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| Sat May 14, 2005 1:24 pm |
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It's all about the money 
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madlilnerd
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| Sat May 14, 2005 1:27 pm |
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Everything nowadays is all about the money. That's how capitalism works.
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Dirt
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Suppose it's the way mankind works too
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lionhead
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| madlilnerd wrote: | | Shouldn't this be in World News? |
Its no news too me.
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Republican_Man
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| Sat May 14, 2005 7:07 pm Re: SPR... Stop Prison Rape,,, Humane treatment for Criminal |
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| HomerSimpson wrote: | People in Prison or Jails, shouldn't have to fear rape
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How is this relevant?
| HomerSimpson wrote: | | The drug companies could make cures but they don't |
Evidence, please?
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Lord Borg
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| Sat May 14, 2005 7:23 pm Re: Drug Companies exploit Human SUFFERING |
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| HomerSimpson wrote: | I have heard that the Drug companies have the CURES to many mental and Physical Diseases, but they will NOT give them to people suffering from these terrible diseases because the companies want to make Profit and keep people dependant on drugs to treat theses Terrible disease
Are the Drug companies trying to find CURES, or they just won't make them available |
Actually in one of my history classes (i think it was history) This was discused in quite detail. They do know some cures, but as said. they would loose their profit
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madlilnerd
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| Sun May 15, 2005 3:24 am |
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Well, think about it, if they had the cure for the common cold, thousands of companies would close down (tissue companies, Lemsip etc.) and a million or so people could lose their jobs.
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lionhead
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Thats true, unfortunately like always they are missing the big picture. A couple of years later, less people will get sick and that means more things will get done. Its actually a good thing. But then again, some other disease will probably take over from the common cold. Then they can start making tissue companies again 
you people are addicted too Proof aren't you? You don't need proof too believe in something i noticed, a lot of you people actually believe that too (*cough*Founder*cough*).
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madlilnerd
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Cures are not allways a good thing. By providing cures sometimes your body does not build up a natural immunity to the bacteria or virus, which is a bad thing as it makes our bodies weaker and weaker. Once we erradicate common diseases, our children will have had no contact with them and if they come back then it could kill them.
I've got a cold now, and I don't wish I had a cure for it. I'm letting it ride itself out so that my body's stronger. On the first day, my cold was bad and on the second it was pretty unbareable, but it's third day now and it's already starting to go away. I have a strong immune system. I will survive.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun May 15, 2005 11:36 am Re: Drug Companies exploit Human SUFFERING |
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| Lord Borg wrote: | | HomerSimpson wrote: | I have heard that the Drug companies have the CURES to many mental and Physical Diseases, but they will NOT give them to people suffering from these terrible diseases because the companies want to make Profit and keep people dependant on drugs to treat theses Terrible disease
Are the Drug companies trying to find CURES, or they just won't make them available |
Actually in one of my history classes (i think it was history) This was discused in quite detail. They do know some cures, but as said. they would loose their profit |
I don't get why in the world a class would teach such a thing. That is DEFINITELY pushing the anti-business Liberal agenda on kids. Sure, profit would be lost, but there would still be profit to be gained, and other ways around it. Maybe there are some cures discovered and they're waiting to bring them out, which could be, in fact, for a number of reasons, including them needing to run more tests.
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webtaz99
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The "drug companies" (and the entire medical-supplies industry) are heartless {explitive deleted}, or else why aren't they not-for-profit? If there was any justice in this horrible system ALL medical-related businesses would be not-for-profit.
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Republican_Man
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | The "drug companies" (and the entire medical-supplies industry) are heartless {explitive deleted}, or else why aren't they not-for-profit? If there was any justice in this horrible system ALL medical-related businesses would be not-for-profit. |
Why? That's what comes with a capitalist economy, and I'm fine with it. Hey, I may become really sick one day, and need medication, but would I think that the drug companies should be not-for-profit? No. It's fine that they're not--this is CAPITALISM, after all
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lionhead
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| madlilnerd wrote: | Cures are not allways a good thing. By providing cures sometimes your body does not build up a natural immunity to the bacteria or virus, which is a bad thing as it makes our bodies weaker and weaker. Once we erradicate common diseases, our children will have had no contact with them and if they come back then it could kill them.
I've got a cold now, and I don't wish I had a cure for it. I'm letting it ride itself out so that my body's stronger. On the first day, my cold was bad and on the second it was pretty unbareable, but it's third day now and it's already starting to go away. I have a strong immune system. I will survive. |
its not about that. Its about nature, Nature will rebalance it in no time. You wouldn't even notice it.
there is nothing wrong with a cure for the Common cold. You might die as a result since you won't have the right amnount of anti-bodies within you but that would be the same things as you would get an Deadly, uncurable disease right now.
If we would cure every single small disease there is then yes, we would not be able too handle an outbreak or a new virus. but then i looked a step further (and after that you can go even further) and realized that it wolud not matter for the survival of the human race since perhaps a coupel of million or even a Billion would die and then we would be immune again. Hopefully have learned out lesson, ready too learn an new one hoping we survive that one (but thats a step further).
I'm so clever , complex, maybe a bit misunderstood but clever...
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webtaz99
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| Sun May 15, 2005 8:52 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: |
Why? That's what comes with a capitalist economy, and I'm fine with it. Hey, I may become really sick one day, and need medication, but would I think that the drug companies should be not-for-profit? No. It's fine that they're not--this is CAPITALISM, after all |
Is it right that some people have to go without medication because the board of directors of some drug company want to keep profits high so they can get re-elected?
Is it right to profit by the suffering of those who can't afford treatment in order to maximize profits from those who can?
If our life-saving medical system is privatized and for profit, why don't we use mercenaries for our death-dealing military?
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Republican_Man
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: |
Why? That's what comes with a capitalist economy, and I'm fine with it. Hey, I may become really sick one day, and need medication, but would I think that the drug companies should be not-for-profit? No. It's fine that they're not--this is CAPITALISM, after all |
Is it right that some people have to go without medication because the board of directors of some drug company want to keep profits high so they can get re-elected?
Is it right to profit by the suffering of those who can't afford treatment in order to maximize profits from those who can?
If our life-saving medical system is privatized and for profit, why don't we use mercenaries for our death-dealing military? |
I don't think it's right for them to put profit over people, but it IS capitalism, and they DO have the right to have the business that they want. And so you're now saying that we should become SOCIALIST?
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | I don't think it's right for them to put profit over people, but it IS capitalism, and they DO have the right to have the business that they want. And so you're now saying that we should become SOCIALIST? |
Well, in a capitalist system as you pointed out, it really doesn't make much sense to save lives by providing a cure (or at least lowering prices on medicine and treatments) if it will have the effect of lowering profit. . . . 
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Lord Borg
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| madlilnerd wrote: | | Well, think about it, if they had the cure for the common cold, thousands of companies would close down (tissue companies, Lemsip etc.) and a million or so people could lose their jobs. |
Thats no excuse not to release it simply cause the money would stop
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Republican_Man
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| Sun May 15, 2005 11:44 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | I don't think it's right for them to put profit over people, but it IS capitalism, and they DO have the right to have the business that they want. And so you're now saying that we should become SOCIALIST? |
Well, in a capitalist system as you pointed out, it really doesn't make much sense to save lives by providing a cure (or at least lowering prices on medicine and treatments) if it will have the effect of lowering profit. . . . |
You DO have a point there, however there is some sort of compromised out there that could always be worked out.
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webtaz99
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | webtaz99 wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: |
Why? That's what comes with a capitalist economy, and I'm fine with it. Hey, I may become really sick one day, and need medication, but would I think that the drug companies should be not-for-profit? No. It's fine that they're not--this is CAPITALISM, after all |
Is it right that some people have to go without medication because the board of directors of some drug company want to keep profits high so they can get re-elected?
Is it right to profit by the suffering of those who can't afford treatment in order to maximize profits from those who can?
If our life-saving medical system is privatized and for profit, why don't we use mercenaries for our death-dealing military? |
I don't think it's right for them to put profit over people, but it IS capitalism, and they DO have the right to have the business that they want. And so you're now saying that we should become SOCIALIST? |
I was not referring to the entire "system", just the medical part. I believe that some parts of our "system" should be "socialist", some should be "communist", and the rest should be "capitalist". None of the three has all the answers.
And isn't Welfare and Social Security already "socialized"?
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madlilnerd
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I think it's good not to cure every little disease that comes flying our way. It's important to build up immunities naturally, and combat diseases by yourself. Unless these are cures for diseases such as Multiple Sclorosis or a similar disease, then I don't think the cures should be let out.
Many people would lose their jobs.
And surely if there was a cure, by now other scientists would have come up with it, wouldn't they?
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