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PrankishSmart
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| Mikado wrote: |
First topic: I'm still pro-choice.
1. Who are you to tell me that I have to choose my baby's life over my own? Who are you to condemn me to death, because I've got a condition I didn't know about before the conception? Who are you to tell me who to make my life-choices, which were given to me via free will?
2. I'm only twelve, I was unlucky enough to get my period at eleven, and started to develope breasts, and a figure. I'm not doing anything to look sexy, some guy decided that since I had breasts I was old enough, and he raped me. You're telling me I have to give up my life to have this baby?
Those are two hypothetically situations, there are more but I don't feel like getting even more dark and disturbing at the moment. I'm sure you all don't really need to read it anywise.
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I agree with you there. Thats an example where abortion should be used because obviously a 12 year old could die from the pregnancy. It's not her fault so who can say if she is allowed to live or not? People are forgetting who the true victim is - the rapist's victim.
Of course the decision to go ahead with an abortion should not be taken lightly.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Thu May 12, 2005 8:34 am |
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So you saying you saying the rapist is a victim. u got to be kidding. U mean the victim.
Abortion is murder simple is that.
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Seven of Nine
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| Thu May 12, 2005 9:24 am |
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So is stopping a person from having an abortion that would save their life.
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PrankishSmart
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| Thu May 12, 2005 9:38 am |
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| Leo Wyatt wrote: | So you saying you saying the rapist is a victim. u got to be kidding. U mean the victim.
Abortion is murder simple is that. |
LOL, oopsy got my words mixed up a little 
Fixed now.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Thu May 12, 2005 9:39 am |
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And been through this a thousand times. So been in a life and death situation when I was in labor with my son David that could have killed me but I chose Life over murder. I would have died in order to give life. No sense in committing murder.  But , all this is going in circles like it is always does.
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madlilnerd
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| Thu May 12, 2005 10:33 am |
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Okay, today in RE I had a choice. I could sit and make revision cards, or I could do a practice test. I chose test. Here is a question I think is relevant to this topic:
| Quote: | | Explain why some religious people are against abortion |
I'd like to take this moment to thank everyone who has posted here because without your opions on abortion, I wouldn't have got my A* 
My Answer:
| Quote: | | Some religious people are against abortion because their religious teachings tell them that "murder is wrong" and they class a termination of a pregnancy as murder as it is destroying a life. Many believe that life begins at conception and that abortion is murder as it is destroying the life of a feutus. Many religious leaders are against abortion and have said things such as "abortion is worse than killing a man in his own home". They believe that as murder is wrong in the eyes of the law, abortion should be too. Some cannot stand to see human life destroyed and they think women who have abortions are selfish as there are many women in the world who would do anything to have a baby. They believe that as sex before marraige and rape are sins that you should not commit more sins by killing the unborn child. They believe that God has a plan for every human life and that all human life is sacred, no matter how young or old. Unborn babies should not have to die because of the opinions of the mother carrying them as the feutus has done nothing wrong and it's not its fault that it is alive so it shouldn't be killed. |
Well, that took a lot out of my wrist and led on to an interesting walking home conversation between my best friend, Loffy and myself.
Hey, I got an A* on an RE test cos I wrote loads about what people think about abortion
Wow, that's good! So where do you stand, you think it's wrong, like me, don't you?
Well, um, that is to say, I would never personnally have one. I don't think I could live with the guilt afterwards...
That's good to hear. I don't think it's right for women to have them cos it's their own fault they got pregnant.
What if they got raped?
Shouldn't have been walking down a dark alley
What if they got raped in their own home?
Well she should've locked the door, the silly woman!
What if the rapist broke down the door and had a gun? How can it be her fault then?
It's her own fault for living in a bad neighbourhood!
Then he got on a bus before I had a chance to argue with him further. That's probably a good thing.
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PrankishSmart
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| Thu May 12, 2005 11:35 am |
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^This Loffy was diverting to your question though because somewhere they do believe there may be some circumstance where abortion is called for.
| Quote: | | Unborn babies should not have to die because of the opinions of the mother carrying them as the feutus has done nothing wrong and it's not its fault that it is alive so it shouldn't be killed. |
The same thing could be said for the rapist's victim if they can die from the pregnancy. Think of the life that baby would have, having no mother too. The rapist's victim has all family to live for how can anyone say she should have to die for the baby.
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zero
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| Thu May 12, 2005 2:07 pm |
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| Puck wrote: | | That really worries me that some people find an unfair balance of trade more important than speaking out against murder. |
Not everyone thinks abortions are murder hun. You need to realize that.
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zero
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| Thu May 12, 2005 2:13 pm |
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| madlilnerd wrote: |
Hey, I got an A* on an RE test cos I wrote loads about what people think about abortion
Wow, that's good! So where do you stand, you think it's wrong, like me, don't you?
Well, um, that is to say, I would never personnally have one. I don't think I could live with the guilt afterwards...
That's good to hear. I don't think it's right for women to have them cos it's their own fault they got pregnant.
What if they got raped?
Shouldn't have been walking down a dark alley
What if they got raped in their own home?
Well she should've locked the door, the silly woman!
What if the rapist broke down the door and had a gun? How can it be her fault then?
It's her own fault for living in a bad neighbourhood!
Then he got on a bus before I had a chance to argue with him further. That's probably a good thing. |
Uhh, who the hell is this Loffy and where can I find him so I can hit him over the head with a stick and a chicken on the end of it??? (joking)
But please tell me he isn't serious. Well, surley he has not matured as fast as you have, so that is why I'm not really taking offence to his comments.
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Theresa
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| Thu May 12, 2005 11:40 pm |
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Embryo --> fetus --> baby --> toddler --> are we getting it? It's all a PERSON, a human being in different stages of growth. While in the mothers stomach, a fetus will react to outside stimuli, etc... It is aware. But, hey, if saying "it's just a fetus" makes you able to sleep at night after murdering it... whatever floats your boat.
You see a pregnant woman. Do you ask if they know if the fetus is a boy or a girl, or if the baby is a boy or a girl?
And since this seems to be a big issue with several of you, where do you stand on partial birth abortion? Here the kid is, half way out, and they kill it. Is that acceptable?
DO NOT LOOK IF YOU CANNOT HANDLE THIS. GRAPHIC DRAWINGS.
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/ <---- watch how partial birth abortion is done.
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Puck
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| Thu May 12, 2005 11:41 pm |
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| zero wrote: | | Puck wrote: | | That really worries me that some people find an unfair balance of trade more important than speaking out against murder. |
Not everyone thinks abortions are murder hun. You need to realize that. |
Whether anyone thinks it is or not really doesn't change the fact that it is .
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Lord Borg
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| Thu May 12, 2005 11:47 pm |
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My god, this makes me sick and disturbed. How is that allowed? I feel so disturbed right now I actually think I need help
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Theresa
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| Thu May 12, 2005 11:58 pm |
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It literally made me sick to my stomach, too, Chris.
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Lord Borg
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| Fri May 13, 2005 12:26 am |
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said ppl who have that done, should be fixed so they cant have more kids. said Dr.s who preform the procedure-- im sorry MURDER (why sugarcoat it?) should be arrested and tried for murder etc....
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Seven of Nine
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| Fri May 13, 2005 3:18 am |
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I am completely against partial birth abortion. I'm not sure if it's even allowed here- certainly wasn't on the sheet I got when having mine.
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madlilnerd
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| Fri May 13, 2005 4:08 am |
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| Quote: | | That really worries me that some people find an unfair balance of trade more important than speaking out against murder. |
Unfair trade rules lead to thousands of children living in poverty so bad that they die of diseases that can be cured with 1ps worth of salt sugar and clean water (infant diahorea). That, in my opinion, is just a different breed of murder, thousands of children dying because big companies wont pay their growers a fair price for what they grow. Think about that when you buy a chocolate bar.
| Quote: | Uhh, who the hell is this Loffy and where can I find him so I can hit him over the head with a stick and a chicken on the end of it??? (joking)
But please tell me he isn't serious. Well, surley he has not matured as fast as you have, so that is why I'm not really taking offence to his comments. |
He's a mormon, so from what I've gathered, they don't think all that highly of women. And he's 2 years older than me, so you'd think he'd understand a bit more.
I don't see the point of partial birth abortions. If you've carried the baby this far, you might as well give birth to it alive and give it up for adoption.
On the radio, they were talking about people with a phobia of vomiting, and this one woman terminated her pregnancy because she was so afraid of vomiting that she couldn't cope with the morning sickness and she was going to commit suicide out of fear.
And we got shown a video in RE of a girl going to have an abortion. She already had one kid outside of marraige, she wasn't raped and it wasn't going to kill her or anything. Her excuse: "Um, I can't give it up for adoption, cos once I've given birth to it, uh, it's mine and I won't be able to give it away." That seems to me to be the height of selfishness.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Fri May 13, 2005 4:21 am |
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Just think, each baby that is aborted, could be the next intellengient person, who may grow up to find a cure for aids or cancer. But, women don't give life a chance, instead they murder. Yes I am saying it cause that is what it is. Truth here.
Life is precious. Shouldn't take it away for women's selfhish reasons . Oh I don't want no labor pains. Well guess what? That is a part of life. I went throuigh labor pains three times. Did, kill my babies? No. There was a time me and my youngest son could have both died. I told the doc make sure this baby survives . not me. I chose to save my baby and not me. I am so tired of saying all this cause it goes in one and out the other simply becaise people believe in taking an innocent life. How evil and cruel just meet their own selfish needs, in my opinion.
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PrankishSmart
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| Fri May 13, 2005 9:35 am |
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| Theresa wrote: | Embryo --> fetus --> baby --> toddler --> are we getting it? It's all a PERSON, a human being in different stages of growth. While in the mothers stomach, a fetus will react to outside stimuli, etc... It is aware. But, hey, if saying "it's just a fetus" makes you able to sleep at night after murdering it... whatever floats your boat.
You see a pregnant woman. Do you ask if they know if the fetus is a boy or a girl, or if the baby is a boy or a girl?
And since this seems to be a big issue with several of you, where do you stand on partial birth abortion? Here the kid is, half way out, and they kill it. Is that acceptable?
DO NOT LOOK IF YOU CANNOT HANDLE THIS. GRAPHIC DRAWINGS.
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/ <---- watch how partial birth abortion is done. |
Theres a big difference between partial birth abortion and 2 months after conception abortion pill type abortion though. We all know that. There is another big question too though I guess you could say at what point is abortion unacceptable. This could range from after 6 months abortion like your describing, to the other end where some might say even taking the emergency 72 hour after pill is murder?
Everyone seems to be avoiding the scenario of the 12 year old rapists victim too. In such a scenario should that victim be prepared to die?
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madlilnerd
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| Fri May 13, 2005 11:46 am |
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| Leo Wyatt wrote: | | Just think, each baby that is aborted, could be the next intellengient person, who may grow up to find a cure for aids or cancer. |
I'm not disagreeing with you, but for some weird reason I thought of this today:
What if a female scientist was on the edge of discovering something, that would change the lives of millions for the better and save many people's lives, was only about 2 months pregnant and for some reason there was only a 3% chance she would live if she decided to keep her baby alive? Surely, it would be better to abort the child to benefit the world on a whole?
Oh, and as for the 12year old who got raped, that's tricky. Either way a child dies.
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zero
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| Fri May 13, 2005 1:37 pm |
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I am not for partial birth abortions. I am not for abortions period after 4-5 weeks max.
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Seven of Nine
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| Fri May 13, 2005 10:45 pm |
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I wasn't allowed an abortion until just under 6 weeks, because until that point they wouldn't be able to confirm whether the abortion had taken place or not. I wouldn't have an abortion personally after 9 weeks, unless the pregnancy really was going to kill me. After 12 weeks, I disagree with most abortions, although I can understand there should be some exceptions.
Deb, what you're missing is that although you could have died during labour, most abortions occur before 12 weeks. A pregnancy is normally around 9 months long. A lot can happen then, but that's also 9 months in which people with certain medical conditions can become very seriously ill and even die, due to the pressures and changes that occur because of pregnancy. When people have abortions for medical reasons, it normally occurs during the first 3 months (and certainly during the first 6 months). By the time you reach a time the baby is viable (at the extreme earliest it's about 22 weeks, and even then there's only about a 2% chance of survival) it may already be too late for the mother, and the child wouldn't live either.
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madlilnerd
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| Sat May 14, 2005 3:45 am |
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According to my RE textbook, at 12 weeks all the organs of the fetus' body are formed. Although it is not yet viable, I would not agree with terminating a pregnacy after that stage of development. At twelve weeks it is, pretty much, a human being, just in minature.
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