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zero
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^yeah sorry bout that guys. America!
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Republican_Man
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| Wed May 11, 2005 4:44 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | zero wrote: | | borgslayer wrote: |
Liberals just don't understand why invading a country to rid a country of an Evil Dictator is so important. |
Maybe we have no business there. |
So you're saying we should wait until we're attacked to make a move? We have bussiness there because nucleare weapons are dangerous to the entire world in the wrong hands. |
That's EXACTLY what zero's saying, Founder, and that's sadly what so many people believe. I just like to compare it to that AOL virus commercial where they talk about wanting viruses to come and then stopping them before they do. They're just like those people who want the viruses to come, and THEN something to be done. Not good.
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Hitchhiker
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Seven of Nine
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| Wed May 11, 2005 5:46 pm |
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Britain has access to nukes. I don't like it, and support the CND (Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament). The USA is the only country to have ever used nuclear weapons against another country in a time of war. I wonder how that'll look in the history books?
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zero
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| Wed May 11, 2005 5:47 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | zero wrote: | | borgslayer wrote: |
Liberals just don't understand why invading a country to rid a country of an Evil Dictator is so important. |
Maybe we have no business there. |
So you're saying we should wait until we're attacked to make a move? We have bussiness there because nucleare weapons are dangerous to the entire world in the wrong hands. |
That's EXACTLY what zero's saying, Founder, and that's sadly what so many people believe. I just like to compare it to that AOL virus commercial where they talk about wanting viruses to come and then stopping them before they do. They're just like those people who want the viruses to come, and THEN
something to be done. Not good. |
No.. not exactly. I'm saying we shouldn't be invading all these countries because of threats. If the countries leaders are Tyrants.. oh well.. we have bigger issues to deal with. What did Iraq solve? It didn't solve anothing it just brought more chaos. Why don't we actually do something good... like help people in africa who are being slaughtered because of what tribe or whatever they belong to. And if need be... go and dismantle or sieze the weapons.
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Hitchhiker
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| Wed May 11, 2005 6:08 pm |
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| zero wrote: | | What did Iraq solve? It didn't solve anothing it just brought more chaos. |
Technically, Iraq is now a fledgling democracy with a duly-elected government. Although insurgents still prowl the country, the post-invasion Iraq situation has had the curious effect of stabilizing a lot of the Middle East--yes, it is still an area of turmoil, but overall the situation is more stable than it was prior to the U.S. invasion. For example, international pressure has finally forced Syria to leave Lebanon, and Palestine and Israel are making the first steps toward piece.
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Jeremy
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| Wed May 11, 2005 6:34 pm |
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| Seven of Nine wrote: | | Britain has access to nukes. I don't like it, and support the CND (Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament). The USA is the only country to have ever used nuclear weapons against another country in a time of war. I wonder how that'll look in the history books? |
Yes, we do have them. There's some on our submarines, and I think there is a few land based ones, but not sure.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed May 11, 2005 6:45 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | zero wrote: | | What did Iraq solve? It didn't solve anothing it just brought more chaos. |
Technically, Iraq is now a fledgling democracy with a duly-elected government. Although insurgents still prowl the country, the post-invasion Iraq situation has had the curious effect of stabilizing a lot of the Middle East--yes, it is still an area of turmoil, but overall the situation is more stable than it was prior to the U.S. invasion. For example, international pressure has finally forced Syria to leave Lebanon, and Palestine and Israel are making the first steps toward piece. |
Answer your question? Thank you for your points, Tach. They are true.
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borgslayer
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| Wed May 11, 2005 9:22 pm |
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| madlilnerd wrote: | | "we" as in America? I don't think Britain has any nukes. |
Britain does have nukes they are just not telling anyone about it.
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Theresa
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| Wed May 11, 2005 9:27 pm |
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| Seven of Nine wrote: | | Britain has access to nukes. I don't like it, and support the CND (Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament). The USA is the only country to have ever used nuclear weapons against another country in a time of war. I wonder how that'll look in the history books? |
I guess that depends on what you believe. Did they save more lives than they took? From all that I've read on it, I'd say yes. So, currently the history books aren't looking down upon it.
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webtaz99
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| Thu May 12, 2005 7:54 am |
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| Seven of Nine wrote: | | Britain has access to nukes. I don't like it, and support the CND (Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament). The USA is the only country to have ever used nuclear weapons against another country in a time of war. I wonder how that'll look in the history books? |
It's already in the history books. Read one and tell us "how it looks".
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webtaz99
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| Thu May 12, 2005 8:01 am |
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| zero wrote: |
No.. not exactly. I'm saying we shouldn't be invading all these countries because of threats. If the countries leaders are Tyrants.. oh well.. we have bigger issues to deal with. What did Iraq solve? It didn't solve anothing it just brought more chaos. Why don't we actually do something good... like help people in africa who are being slaughtered because of what tribe or whatever they belong to. And if need be... go and dismantle or sieze the weapons. |
How do you propose to "seize" weapons from their owners without "invading" their country? And wasn't "seizing or dismantling" weapons one of the reasons for "invading" Iraq? Finally, the repercussions of the US occupation of Iraq will take years to become evident. Don't judge it prematurely.
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Seven of Nine
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| Thu May 12, 2005 9:20 am |
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | Seven of Nine wrote: | | Britain has access to nukes. I don't like it, and support the CND (Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament). The USA is the only country to have ever used nuclear weapons against another country in a time of war. I wonder how that'll look in the history books? |
It's already in the history books. Read one and tell us "how it looks". |
Too many conflicting views in the history books of today. We're still too close to the events to look at it objectively.
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zero
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| Thu May 12, 2005 1:32 pm |
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This is N.Korea. If we go in... WWIII will begin.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu May 12, 2005 4:54 pm |
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| zero wrote: | | This is N.Korea. If we go in... WWIII will begin. |
This just in: we are IN WWIII ALREADY. It's just a different kind of world war. And no, I don't think a massive world war would occur if we invaded N.K. and LIBERATED its people, also getting rid of a major world security threat.
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zero
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| Thu May 12, 2005 8:26 pm |
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^Ok... do you know what you are saying? We are already watching our backs with Iran and N.korea. Yes this very well can turn into a bad world war.
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