Abortion

B'Elanna Torres 7 of 9 · **Wed May 11, 2005 12:59 am**

It's just wrong all around - nothing good about it. I will save my arguments and reasons, but if you do care to know, pm me.

But i am 10,000% against abortion for the record!

PrankishSmart · **Wed May 11, 2005 2:41 am**

mayxlh · Commodore Joined: 29 Apr 2005 Posts: 1618 Location: In Oz

I do not think abortion is right at all...I wont allow myself to do this ..i know some girls around me who did or is considering if she should do ...as they have no able to take good care of a baby or better themself are kids also...its really a delimma if they should have a abortion done ...so what else are they supposed to do apart from have a abortion done?..its cruel...
all i want to say here is before u making fun think it further and be careful..

Leo Wyatt · **Wed May 11, 2005 3:39 am**

Prankishsmart wrote

Seven of Nine · **Wed May 11, 2005 5:54 am**

I'd just like to point something out. Here, you are unable to get an abortion unless two doctors agree that continuing the pregnancy would be harmful either physically or mentally. Most doctors agree that making a woman carry a baby she doesn't want would be very distressing, so that is why so many abortions are carried out here.

As for abusive relationships- it can be very hard to leave them. Normally the abuser obliterates the victim's self esteem so they believe they would be unable to cope alone, without this man (I know that it can happen the other way around, but in 90% of cases it's the man who's the abuser). Some women endure abusive relationships because they fear what would happen if they tried to leave or end it. These women need help, as many are unable to do anything by themselves.

I have a violent father. It took my mother years until she finally divorced him, yet he still raped her. Things aren't always as easy as they appear to be.

PrankishSmart · **Wed May 11, 2005 6:25 am**

Leo Wyatt · **Wed May 11, 2005 7:39 am**

George Bush has nothing to do with this. So back off bud on topic

Notice I didn't say it out of anger.

madlilnerd · **Wed May 11, 2005 8:16 am**

[quote="Leo Wyatt"]There are other options to kill a baby. I could care less what anyone calls me. Words don't hurt me. I don't murder.

[quote]

You don't murder? Do you buy meat products?

People should always have the option to terminate a pregnancy because bringing a new life into this goddam world is a big responsibility and some people can't deal with that responsibility. This world is such a horrible place anyway that maybe murdering children is the best thing. Solve over population of the world, automatic places in heaven for the aborted children (seeing as you can hardly sin in the womb).

So abortion is wrong. SO WHAT? There are so many wrong things in this world anyhow! Solve the more important issues like extintion and world hunger and unfair trade rule

Oh, and women desperate for babies? There are thousands of children in care who need good homes. Take one of them. You may have missed the "cute" stage in their life, but they need love too.

Jeff Miller · **Wed May 11, 2005 8:28 am**

Theresa · **Wed May 11, 2005 10:13 am**

Whoa, Jeff admitting to being a coward. Who'd have thought. And if you knew much, really anything about abusive relationships, you may stop and think, "well, maybe there is a reason she doesn't report him..." But, well, considering to whom I refer, silly me,

I'd rather take a chance than live with the guilt*. But that's just me.

*She is killed, and you could have done something.

zero · **Wed May 11, 2005 2:06 pm**

madlilnerd · **Wed May 11, 2005 2:07 pm**

Thanks, but I do not deserve worship. I'm no saint.

Theresa · **Wed May 11, 2005 2:14 pm**

[quote="madlilnerd"][quote="Leo Wyatt"]There are other options to kill a baby. I could care less what anyone calls me. Words don't hurt me. I don't murder.

zero · **Wed May 11, 2005 3:02 pm**

^ you would ban her because she is speaking her mind? I just so happen to agree with her on almost everything she said, not so much the first paragraph.

Does it matter what is being killed though? Animals or humans? We are all animals, so what difference is there? A life is a life.. in my book.

But I can see where you are coming from.

Theresa · **Wed May 11, 2005 3:19 pm**

I must've missed the part where I said "ban"? Perhaps you could point it out to me?

zero · **Wed May 11, 2005 3:43 pm**

You didn't say ban. But you are telling her to watch her mouth? That comes across as a threat. None of my business though....

Theresa · **Wed May 11, 2005 4:19 pm**

No, it was a warning. And you are right, it's not.

Mikado · **Wed May 11, 2005 4:36 pm**

Wow, this is still going? I don't remember why I stopped commenting on this thread way back when. Probably had to do with people mindlessly saying, "No no no no." Without bothering to look at the other side of the story.

First topic: I'm still pro-choice.
1. Who are you to tell me that I have to choose my baby's life over my own? Who are you to condemn me to death, because I've got a condition I didn't know about before the conception? Who are you to tell me who to make my life-choices, which were given to me via free will?
2. I'm only twelve, I was unlucky enough to get my period at eleven, and started to develope breasts, and a figure. I'm not doing anything to look sexy, some guy decided that since I had breasts I was old enough, and he raped me. You're telling me I have to give up my life to have this baby?

Those are two hypothetically situations, there are more but I don't feel like getting even more dark and disturbing at the moment. I'm sure you all don't really need to read it anywise.

Second Topic:
How, anyone can tell a rape victim it's their fault for it, because they dressed provokatively, is beyond me. Could you walk up to someone who's crying, cringing away from physical contact even from in some cases their husbands, or boyfriends, or wives or girlfriends. And say, "Hey you shouldn't have dressed so flauntingly."

Maybe they were wanting to attract attention. Maybe they wanted a certain person to be looking at them. Is there a crime in dress to attract the attention of someone you're trying to hook up with? Does that mean you want to go out and have someone you probably would have never been attracted to or even known existanted and have them rape you? Seriously.

I'm not sure whether to be amused, or so angry that my teeth rattle by some of the statements that have been made. Saying they shouldn't dres s a certain way is just a way to get out of being guilty for forcing yourself on someone who doesn't want to be with you.

Male or Female. By the way, there are men who get raped by women. And men who get raped by other men. Not that I ever asked, about it because it was a touchy subject, I had a friend who got raped, who was male. I don't know the gender of the rapist, but that friend caught HIV and died a few years back. I still mourn Angel's death.

And don't ever think about telling me that rape is the victim's fault for dressing a certain way. Angel had been homeless at a time, and was hitch-hiking to L.A. Was it his fault he was born homeless? That he didn't have the money to get to L.A. that he had to hitch-hike? His fault he got raped and contracted AIDs? His fault he died?

Third topic:
I believe I spoke about abuse before. Abuse is a cycle, in more ways then one. Children who are abused oft go on and abuse.

Wives, or husbands who are abused. Generally have been beaten down to feel like they are worthless. That without the abuser they cannot go on, and that everyone else will just abuse them more. And that in some cases, sadly that they deserve to be abused. It's up to people who are healthy mentally, and not being abused to try and help them.

Though, yes I would agree. It is sad that alot of women are beyond helping because they just keep going back. My dad and I had a discussion about this a while back, because he was worried a friend of ours was being beaten by her boyfriend. By the way we've come to the conclusion that she isn't. And that if there was anything going on it would be him trying to protect himself from her. Because she's one of those women, would fight. Big strong, and like a locomotive. Once going, she doesn't stop.

But as for the conversation, we were talking about how battered wives were often the deaths of cops, or at least got them really hurt. Because they would call the cops, on their husbands. Just to get the beating stopped, but then when the cops come and try to take the guy away they would attack the cops to try and protect their husband. Or they would refuse to press charges. Or deny everything.

Domestic Abuse, is one of the most horrible things in the world. Why? Because the person being beaten can: Feel like they deserve it, feel like their is no way out, be snap and kill the person abusing them.

That's something I have personal experience with. When I was in first grade, as I've stated my mother was experiencing Post Natal, as well as Post Trauma-stress. She had a boyfriend who was abusive, I don't remember him much. But I do remember vaguely one day being shipped off to my Dad's to live.

Well the same day, my mother was sitting in our kitchen, waiting for him with a butcher knife. And she was going to kill him. By the grace of God, he didn't come home. And my mother didn't spend my entire life in prison. I still get down on my knees and thank the Lord for that. But for beaten women, most of them never get lucky.

Most of them die, or stay in the relationship until their partner dies. This goes for abused men as well.

Fourth Topic
I agree, a life is a life. Whether it's an animal or a human being.

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

[quote="madlilnerd"][quote="Leo Wyatt"]There are other options to kill a baby. I could care less what anyone calls me. Words don't hurt me. I don't murder.

AndrewBullock · **Wed May 11, 2005 5:31 pm**

Murder is murder. People die everyday. Heck, two little girls were just stabbed some where. They could have been so much in the world. Murder is the greatest sin of all. You can't say that murder is just the same as shoplifting or shooting glass windows out. They aren't people, they're not real. Humans are us...

You know.... One day we'll all just end up killing each other because no one knows how to love or how to care for someone when they need it the most.

We can't survive without humans. They've done so much for us.

It's your choice. Kill your child, kill our friends, kill our co-workers because some day no one will be left.

~Andrew

(That was just to anyone who was listening. LOL!)

Leo Wyatt · **Wed May 11, 2005 5:35 pm**

Lol Andrew. I doubt many here will listen cause they got murder on the brain, no offense that's just my opinion. It is through one ear and out the other.

AndrewBullock · **Wed May 11, 2005 5:44 pm**

Not every one, Deb. There are many good people here. No one's better then the other. It doesn't matter what they do, there still no better then the other.

Anyway, murder is killing. Is it murder if your killing a cow? Thats between you and God, but I don't believe it is. They have value here. A butterfly? Maybe... but no one can really tell. Killing some one, murdering some one. I guess i'll have to think on that..

~Andrew

PrankishSmart · **Thu May 12, 2005 8:06 am**