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Hitchhiker
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 Fri May 06, 2005 6:46 pm World must stop North Korea nuclear testing: UN |
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World must stop N. Korea nuclear testing: UN
Last Updated Fri, 06 May 2005 19:09:13 EDT
CBC News
UNITED NATIONS - The UN's nuclear watchdog is urging world leaders to put immediate pressure on North Korea, after new intelligence reports that Pyongyang may be about to test a nuclear weapon for the first time.
The head of the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei, warned of "disastrous" political and environmental repercussions if it happened.
"I hope every leader who has contact with North Korea is on the phone today with North Korean authorities to dissuade [them] from a test," ElBaradei told reporters on Friday at a UN-sponsored conference on nuclear disarmament.
Pyongyang kicked inspectors from ElBaradei's agency out of the country in 2002, then became the first country to pull out of the 35-year-old Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Six-country talks aimed at curbing its nuclear ambitions have been stalled for a year.
End to 'nuclear blackmail' urged
Japan threatened on Friday to put the issue before the UN Security Council � which could impose international sanctions � unless Pyongyang returns to the negotiating table.
ElBaradei called North Korea's continued demands for concessions from other countries in exchange for curbing its nuclear-energy program "nuclear blackmail."
He said Pyongyang needed "to understand that the international community has zero tolerance for any new country to go for a nuclear weapon."
Media reports on Friday cited U.S. officials who said satellite photographs showed North Korea preparing a possible testing site in the northeastern part of the country.
The officials also warned that it could be a bluff.
If North Korea proceeds with a nuclear test, ElBaradei said it would have "disastrous political repercussions in Asia and the rest of the world."
"There could be a major environmental fallout which again could lead to dissemination of radioactivity in the region," he warned.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri May 06, 2005 6:51 pm |
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I agree with the Un on this. I just hope that they actually take action, unlike with a certain other situation that they thought was a threat and yet didn't back up their threats to act if they didn't stop their programs (::Coughs:: Iraq ::Coughs:
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Hitchhiker
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| Fri May 06, 2005 6:58 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | I agree with the Un on this. I just hope that they actually take action, unlike with a certain other situation that they thought was a threat and yet didn't back up their threats to act if they didn't stop their programs (::Coughs:: Iraq ::Coughs:: ) |
Agreed. I am concerned about both the political and environmental issues, although as much as I dislike nuclear testing's environmental effect, I think the political ramifications are more serious at the moment.
North Korea is like this slow-boiling pot that everyone is watching--which means it's not actually going to reach a boil, but shall continue cooking until someone looks away--and them BOOM!  Er . . . what I mean is, the political tension in the region, and Middle East in general, reminds me of the tension that occurred in the Balkans prior to World War I. Now I hope countries will actually get something accomplished by coaxing North Korea back to the negotiations, and working together to a common goal of reaching an agreeable settlement with North Korea.
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| Fri May 06, 2005 7:15 pm |
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I wish no one had nukes, but they are deffinitly not stable enough to have nukes
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North Korea should be stopped immediately and I'm talking an invasion with the help of the U.N. Forces, U.S. Military, UK Military, Asian Militaristic countries like China and South Korea. The world also needs the help of France, Russia, Germany, Italy, Spain, and Ukraine.
I say invade North Korea change the damn regime to democracy and reunited the two Korean countries.
The nuclear material be handed over to U.S. Authorities.
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| Lord Borg wrote: | | I wish no one had nukes |
Without nukes, the cold war would not have been so cold.
Nuclear bombs have kept superpowers in check, but we need to keep them away from rogue nations at all costs. It's time for another regime change.
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| Sat May 07, 2005 9:38 am |
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| borgslayer wrote: | North Korea should be stopped immediately and I'm talking an invasion with the help of the U.N. Forces, U.S. Military, UK Military, Asian Militaristic countries like China and South Korea. The world also needs the help of France, Russia, Germany, Italy, Spain, and Ukraine.
I say invade North Korea change the damn regime to democracy and reunited the two Korean countries.
The nuclear material be handed over to U.S. Authorities. |
You're talking world war III here. Do you honestly think North Korea doesn't have allies or countries that they can buy off? And why U.S. Authorities for that matter? Why not hand them over the the UN?
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| Sat May 07, 2005 10:46 am |
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| borgslayer wrote: | North Korea should be stopped immediately and I'm talking an invasion with the help of the U.N. Forces, U.S. Military, UK Military, Asian Militaristic countries like China and South Korea. The world also needs the help of France, Russia, Germany, Italy, Spain, and Ukraine.
I say invade North Korea change the damn regime to democracy and reunited the two Korean countries.
The nuclear material be handed over to U.S. Authorities. |
I don't know about that...an invasion could bring doom to the world, but yes, SOMETHING needs to happen.
| LightningBoy wrote: | | Lord Borg wrote: | | I wish no one had nukes |
Without nukes, the cold war would not have been so cold.
Nuclear bombs have kept superpowers in check, but we need to keep them away from rogue nations at all costs. It's time for another regime change. |
Right on. Those are excellent points of truth.
| 4evajaneway wrote: | | borgslayer wrote: | North Korea should be stopped immediately and I'm talking an invasion with the help of the U.N. Forces, U.S. Military, UK Military, Asian Militaristic countries like China and South Korea. The world also needs the help of France, Russia, Germany, Italy, Spain, and Ukraine.
I say invade North Korea change the damn regime to democracy and reunited the two Korean countries.
The nuclear material be handed over to U.S. Authorities. |
You're talking world war III here. Do you honestly think North Korea doesn't have allies or countries that they can buy off? And why U.S. Authorities for that matter? Why not hand them over the the UN? |
Buy out? With what? Unlike Iraq, they do not have oil to buy out France, Russia, Germany, China, or the Un, and they are one of the POOREST nations in the world. Sure, they have allies thta could conceivably help them, but I don't know about them buying off other countries.
And US authorities because the Un is worthless and chaos could only come from that, and the US is the most trustworthy and the best country for the job. It just is. We know how to deal with things like this.
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Jeremy
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WOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW! That last few lines are going to get a big reaction I think!
Here's another one maybe. Nukes are the biggest benefit in some ways to world peace, IMO. The main countries that have them will not fight each other because of the huge damage that would occur. So there is a stand off. If one side uses them they know they will suffer hugely in return. In the past when there was large empires they fought each other because the damage from conventional weapons was little in comparison. If you look where the wars are recently then it's mostly small poor countries without large WMD.
I disagree with N. Korea having them though, but I don't see what can be done as it's too late now, unless someone risks getting nuked by them and then probably fighting China. I don't think China would use nukes on the country(ies) that did invade, but it would turn the political situation very nasty.
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| Sat May 07, 2005 6:03 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | WOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW! That last few lines are going to get a big reaction I think!
Here's another one maybe. Nukes are the biggest benefit in some ways to world peace, IMO. The main countries that have them will not fight each other because of the huge damage that would occur. So there is a stand off. If one side uses them they know they will suffer hugely in return. In the past when there was large empires they fought each other because the damage from conventional weapons was little in comparison. If you look where the wars are recently then it's mostly small poor countries without large WMD.
I disagree with N. Korea having them though, but I don't see what can be done as it's too late now, unless someone risks getting nuked by them and then probably fighting China. I don't think China would use nukes on the country(ies) that did invade, but it would turn the political situation very nasty. |
Well, I agree with those points, at least the first paragraph. I don't know if I agree about the China situation, but still...
Oh, and I just heard on the news that it looks, to the US government, like NK may be testing a Nuclear Missile soon, because everything in one region is set up for it. Unless, of course, it's a hoax.
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| Sat May 07, 2005 11:48 pm |
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| Lord Borg wrote: | | I wish no one had nukes, but they are deffinitly not stable enough to have nukes |
How are can we stop an asteriod without nukes? We need nukes for planetary defense.
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Hitchhiker
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| Sun May 08, 2005 1:05 am |
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| borgslayer wrote: | | Lord Borg wrote: | | I wish no one had nukes, but they are deffinitly not stable enough to have nukes |
How are can we stop an asteriod without nukes? We need nukes for planetary defense. |
The chances of an asteroid hitting Earth within our lifetimes are extremely small. We would most likely be able to detect such an asteroid before it comes close to Earth. Perhaps nuclear weapons are the most viable option at this time, but I hope in the future we can move beyond that. Nuclear weapons have too much potential for devastation and human suffering, sort of like reality television.
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| Mon May 09, 2005 7:04 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | Buy out? With what? Unlike Iraq, they do not have oil to buy out France, Russia, Germany, China, or the Un, and they are one of the POOREST nations in the world. Sure, they have allies thta could conceivably help them, but I don't know about them buying off other countries.
And US authorities because the Un is worthless and chaos could only come from that, and the US is the most trustworthy and the best country for the job. It just is. We know how to deal with things like this. |
You only think that the US is the most trustworthy because you're an american.
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| Mon May 09, 2005 2:45 pm |
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| borgslayer wrote: |
I say invade North Korea change the damn regime to democracy and reunited the two Korean countries.
The nuclear material be handed over to U.S. Authorities. |
Uhhh... Invade? That is ALL we need right now. And who does america think they are? They shouldn't be invading countries left and right because they area potential threat. That isn't right. I also don't feel it is right for them to hand over the nuclear material to the US because why should USA be the only country in the world to have power?
I don't like the idea that north korea is testing and what not, But I don't think we should Invade...
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| Mon May 09, 2005 3:08 pm |
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By Jon Herskovitz and Benjamin Kang Lim 37 minutes ago
SEOUL/BEIJING (Reuters) - China and
South Korea have called on
North Korea to come back to stalled talks aimed at ending its nuclear programs, while Pyongyang hinted it might be seeking a way to do just that.
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Chinese President Hu Jintao and South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun, in Moscow to attend commemorations marking the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II in Europe, called on Sunday for a peaceful resolution of the crisis through dialogue, Xinhua news agency and a South Korean official said on Monday.
Officials in Washington have said North Korea may be preparing for a nuclear test, while South Korea's foreign minister said last week diplomatic efforts to end the nuclear crisis had reached a "critical moment."
A North Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman said late on Sunday Pyongyang wanted to meet U.S. officials to confirm reports Washington was ready to recognize the North as a sovereign state and hold bilateral discussions within the parameters of the six-country talks, the official KCNA news agency reported.
"If there be any request from our side, we only expressed our intention to directly meet the U.S. side to confirm whether those reports were true before making a final determination," the spokesman said, referring to media reports on the U.S. position.
The comment appeared to soften the North's position of rejecting talks outright for now, although it still said it could not deal with the United States while it called Pyongyang an outpost of tyranny -- a label given to North Korea by Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice in January.
Diplomats and analysts note North Korea has in the past sought a face-saving way back to the table.
"Our will to denuclearise the Korean peninsula and seek a negotiated solution to it still remains unchanged," the spokesman was quoted as saying.
North Korean and U.S. officials have met in the past at the
United Nations, using the so-called "New York channel," but it was not immediately clear it would be used now.
The six-party talks bring together host China, the two Koreas, Japan, Russia and the United States.
PONDERING THE CONDITIONS
"We have never requested the DPRK-US talks independent of the six-party talks," the spokesman said. The North has in the past said direct talks with Washington were the only way to proceed.
DPRK is short for the formal name of the country, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
Japan's top government spokesman said he saw some positive signs in the North Korean statement.
"A response that is a step forward has emerged. The situation in which they proceed with nuclear development...cannot be good for North Korea," said Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda.
However, Lee Dong-bok, a senior associate and specialist on North Korea's negotiating behavior with the CSIS think tank, said Washington may find the conditions unacceptable. The North often tries to set conditions before discussions and then stays away from the table, arguing the conditions have not been met.
"There may be some room for negotiations on these conditions, but I don't think Washington will allow itself to be dragged into this type of pre-negotiation," Lee said by telephone from Seoul.
"If you fall into their trap and address those conditions, you are going to find North Korea acting like an eel. Every time you try to grasp it, it will slip out of your hands," he said.
Over the past few months, Pyongyang has said it could return to the table if conditions were right and Washington dropped what it says is a hostile policy toward it.
An official from South Korea's presidential Blue House said Roh and Hu agreed during a 50-minute meeting in Moscow to increase high-level diplomatic efforts to resume talks.
"The two leaders expressed deep concern over the current impasse in the six-way talks and the uncertainties the impasse has been causing," the official told reporters in Moscow, according to the Blue House statement released on Monday.
Nearly a year has passed since a third round of the six-way talks.
North Korea declared in February it had nuclear weapons and would stay away from the talks indefinitely.
The United States has said it may be considering stronger moves against North Korea, such as referring its nuclear programs to the U.N. Security Council for possible sanctions, if Pyongyang continues to stay away from talks. (Additional reporting by Linda Sieg in Tokyo) |
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| Mon May 09, 2005 3:29 pm |
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| zero wrote: | | borgslayer wrote: |
I say invade North Korea change the damn regime to democracy and reunited the two Korean countries.
The nuclear material be handed over to U.S. Authorities. |
Uhhh... Invade? That is ALL we need right now. And who does america think they are? They shouldn't be invading countries left and right because they area potential threat. That isn't right. I also don't feel it is right for them to hand over the nuclear material to the US because why should USA be the only country in the world to have power?
I don't like the idea that north korea is testing and what not, But I don't think we should Invade... |
Its better that we have the nukes than them.
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| Mon May 09, 2005 3:48 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Its better that we have the nukes than them. |
Oh really? And why is that I wonder?
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| Mon May 09, 2005 4:10 pm |
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| zero wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | Its better that we have the nukes than them. |
Oh really? And why is that I wonder? |
For OBVIOUS reasons 
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| Mon May 09, 2005 5:08 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | zero wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | Its better that we have the nukes than them. |
Oh really? And why is that I wonder? |
For OBVIOUS reasons |
which are?
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Republican_Man
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| Mon May 09, 2005 5:14 pm |
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| zero wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | zero wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | Its better that we have the nukes than them. |
Oh really? And why is that I wonder? |
For OBVIOUS reasons |
which are? |
Well, who would you rather have nuclear weapons in the hands of--the United States or North Korea
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| Mon May 09, 2005 5:37 pm |
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^ You didn't give me reasons. Maybe because there are no reasons to give?
Of course I would like my country to be the only one with them. But uhh.. it does not work that way.
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| Mon May 09, 2005 5:39 pm |
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The leader of North Korea well known to be a nutter and the government tourtures people. Some of the reasons.
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| Mon May 09, 2005 5:43 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | The leader of North Korea well known to be a nutter and the government tourtures people. Some of the reasons. |
Right. It's not that I want my country to have all the weapons, but I don't want a country like North Korea with them, and therefore the United States is the best choice to keep them and whatnot.
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Why not the UK? Their government is stable. As stable as governments get, anyway.
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| Mon May 09, 2005 5:51 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | | Why not the UK? Their government is stable. As stable as governments get, anyway. |
Because the US is better  No, they would be a good second choice. But NOT the Un.
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