| What form of creation do you believe in? |
| Evolution theory |
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53% |
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| Mars theory (Life came from Mars via an asteroid) |
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| Alien colinization theory (ET's seeded Earth with life) |
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| Alien hybrid theory (We are the result of ET experiments) |
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| Adam and Eve theory |
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Jeremy
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 Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:46 pm |
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| Colonel Thornberry wrote: | | I don't know about the "monkey-like" evolution, and I sure don't believe that cave-men did exist, but I do know that somewhere in the Bible, a "terrible creature" was mentioned. Don't ask me where, it's just something that my Pastor told me when I asked him about dinosaurs on the earth. Also, just for clarifiication, could state what you believe the definition for evolution is? |
It's called Liathan (sp) and it's mentioned in Job.
And Gilbert3729, I wasn't saying that you had to believe it, I was saying it is possible for there to be creation from Adam and Eve even though the earth is billions of years old if it is.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:44 pm |
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| Colonel Thornberry wrote: | | I agree with you that there were moer people on teh earth......AFTER THE CREATION. Adam and Eve were the first human beings on the earth. More came from them and their descendants. |
How? If Cain was branded with a mark that warned people not to harm him, who were they? As according to you, the only other people were Adam and Eve.
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Hitchhiker
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| Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:21 pm |
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You can't state a complete definition of evolution, just like you can't state a complete definition of religion, always someone will disagree.
But biological evolution is basically the theory that all life adapts to survive in its environment, and that all life evolved from a few life forms or a single life form.
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gilbert3729
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| Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:25 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Colonel Thornberry wrote: | | I don't know about the "monkey-like" evolution, and I sure don't believe that cave-men did exist, but I do know that somewhere in the Bible, a "terrible creature" was mentioned. Don't ask me where, it's just something that my Pastor told me when I asked him about dinosaurs on the earth. Also, just for clarifiication, could state what you believe the definition for evolution is? |
It's called Liathan (sp) and it's mentioned in Job.
And Gilbert3729, I wasn't saying that you had to believe it, I was saying it is possible for there to be creation from Adam and Eve even though the earth is billions of years old if it is. |
ok, even though in my mind it is very unlikely for there to be creation from adam and eve.......it still is possible. I apolgize if my posts implied that your opinion is wrong. The great thing about this thread is that we are all arguing and debating about issues that no one will ever know the answer to. 
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Arellia
The Quiet One
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| Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:32 pm |
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| Colonel Thornberry wrote: |
If you do believe in the Old Testament, how can you even think of stating that theory? In Genesis, it states that God created Adam and Eve. It said absolutely nothing about other humans being created? And, if God did create more than just Adam and Eve, how come they were never mentioned? |
Theory??? WHAT?! It's truth, my boy! 
They WERE mentioned! Have you READ the first two pages lately? Let me refresh your memory.
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"And God said "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the eath and over every creeping thing that creepson earth.
So God created man in his own image; in the image of God he created him, male and female He created them.
Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominiong over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on earth."
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Now, that was Genesis 1:26-28. Let's continue on a way.
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"...for the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; but a mist went up from the earth and watered the ground. And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed life into his nostrils, and man became a living being. The Lord planted a garden in the East of Eden, and there he put the man of which he had formed."
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That was Genesis 2:6-8. AFTER the seventh day. Also, there were other people around when Cain killed Able--as you can tell from the cities that would cast him out where he wandered. Then, also, follow the geneology. There were other people out there for Seth to marry--did Seth marry his sister? No! And Cain could not have children with the daughters of Adam. (Cain was the father of the Kenights--NOT a son of Adam, he was the son of Satan!--therefore, since his line is still around today, there were other people) And through Adam and Eve, came Jesus, is why they were set aside.
Challenge me if you like, but I've got more where that came from, friend.
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Jeremy
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| Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:32 am |
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| gilbert3729 wrote: | | Jeremy wrote: | | Colonel Thornberry wrote: | | I don't know about the "monkey-like" evolution, and I sure don't believe that cave-men did exist, but I do know that somewhere in the Bible, a "terrible creature" was mentioned. Don't ask me where, it's just something that my Pastor told me when I asked him about dinosaurs on the earth. Also, just for clarifiication, could state what you believe the definition for evolution is? |
It's called Liathan (sp) and it's mentioned in Job.
And Gilbert3729, I wasn't saying that you had to believe it, I was saying it is possible for there to be creation from Adam and Eve even though the earth is billions of years old if it is. |
ok, even though in my mind it is very unlikely for there to be creation from adam and eve.......it still is possible. I apolgize if my posts implied that your opinion is wrong. The great thing about this thread is that we are all arguing and debating about issues that no one will ever know the answer to. |
Em, I think we will, when God comes again, 
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Jeremy
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| Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:26 am |
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| gilbert3729 wrote: | The creation of life is a bit more complicated.
With Miller's experiment and a few others it is shown that organic enzmes and other organic stuff can be produced from inorganic materials. (Without getting into details) life just took it one step at a time, evolving from a single celled organism to multicellular. 4.5 billion years later here we are. |
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Em, there is a few major problems with Millar's experiment.
1. In the experiment, Stanley Miller at the University of Chicago took a mixture of ammonia, methane, and hydrogen, shot electricity through it and found that amino acids had been formed. This proved that life could have evolved out of nonlife on primitive Earth. The counterpoint offered to this is that ammonia, methane, and hydrogen were not abundant on primitive Earth but, rather, water, carbon dioxide and nitrogen dominated the atmosphere and the experiment wouldn't work with that mixture.
2. No one even knows whether there were bodies of liquid water on earth during those eons. If there was not, where and how did liquid water come to cover the majority of the surface of the earth?
3. And then there is the problem of oxygen (O2) gas. Oxygen gas is very inhospitable to small organic molecules. It tends to oxidize (read that burn) them back into CO2, N2, and H2O. But if there were no free oxygen (O2) gas, when and how did it become 20% of our atmosphere and how did these primordial life-forms survive in its presence?
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Captain Patrick
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I say we came from an astroid that impacted earth serval million years ago from Mars and it seeded earth with life.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun May 08, 2005 11:29 am |
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I'm reconsidering my belief in the Big Bang theory, but I would say, at least for now, that the Big Bang happened, then Intelligent Design, and then perhaps Biological Evolution, although I do believe that humans are different than animals.
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Hitchhiker
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| Sun May 08, 2005 11:34 am |
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| Captain Patrick wrote: | | I say we came from an astroid that impacted earth serval million years ago from Mars and it seeded earth with life. |
That theory is possible, although I do wonder what would have to happen in order for the organisms on the asteroid to survive the vacuum of space, as well as reentry into Earth's atmosphere and collision with the surface.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun May 08, 2005 11:38 am |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | Captain Patrick wrote: | | I say we came from an astroid that impacted earth serval million years ago from Mars and it seeded earth with life. |
That theory is possible, although I do wonder what would have to happen in order for the organisms on the asteroid to survive the vacuum of space, as well as reentry into Earth's atmosphere and collision with the surface. |
But that does not even discuss the origins of the creation of the Universe, however.
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Hitchhiker
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| Sun May 08, 2005 11:45 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | But that does not even discuss the origins of the creation of the Universe, however. |
As much as the Big Bang sounds good, we could always just go with the theory that the universe was sneezed out of the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure.
Thoroughly, with this quote I agree:
| Douglas Adams wrote: | In the beginning, the universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
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Republican_Man
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| Sun May 08, 2005 12:47 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | Thoroughly, with this quote I agree:
| Douglas Adams wrote: | In the beginning, the universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
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LOL!!! I love that! Gosh, he was just too funny...
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Captain Patrick
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | That theory is possible, although I do wonder what would have to happen in order for the organisms on the asteroid to survive the vacuum of space, as well as reentry into Earth's atmosphere and collision with the surface. |
What if it wasn't an astoriod what if it was a ship of some kind sent by an advance culture from mars that has dead out.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sun May 08, 2005 4:21 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | I'm reconsidering my belief in the Big Bang theory, but I would say, at least for now, that the Big Bang happened, then Intelligent Design, and then perhaps Biological Evolution, although I do believe that humans are different than animals. |
And yet no matter how many people believe that we are different from animals I must point out the Genus Austrolopithicus which then evolved into the Genus Homo.
Austrolopithicines have more attributes that associate with primates then any other.
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Founder
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| Sun May 08, 2005 11:26 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | Colonel Thornberry wrote: |
If you do believe in the Old Testament, how can you even think of stating that theory? In Genesis, it states that God created Adam and Eve. It said absolutely nothing about other humans being created? And, if God did create more than just Adam and Eve, how come they were never mentioned? |
Theory??? WHAT?! It's truth, my boy!
They WERE mentioned! Have you READ the first two pages lately? Let me refresh your memory.
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"And God said "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the eath and over every creeping thing that creepson earth.
So God created man in his own image; in the image of God he created him, male and female He created them.
Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominiong over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on earth."
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Now, that was Genesis 1:26-28. Let's continue on a way.
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"...for the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; but a mist went up from the earth and watered the ground. And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed life into his nostrils, and man became a living being. The Lord planted a garden in the East of Eden, and there he put the man of which he had formed."
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That was Genesis 2:6-8. AFTER the seventh day. Also, there were other people around when Cain killed Able--as you can tell from the cities that would cast him out where he wandered. Then, also, follow the geneology. There were other people out there for Seth to marry--did Seth marry his sister? No! And Cain could not have children with the daughters of Adam. (Cain was the father of the Kenights--NOT a son of Adam, he was the son of Satan!--therefore, since his line is still around today, there were other people) And through Adam and Eve, came Jesus, is why they were set aside.
Challenge me if you like, but I've got more where that came from, friend. |
I'm stupid. Care to explain that? You're saying there were people on earth before Adam and Eve?
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Arellia
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| Sun May 08, 2005 11:40 pm |
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Sure. If you read through Genesis, you'll see that on the sixth day God created man and woman and saw that it was good. Then He rested on the seventh. Then He goes in to talk about Adam, and how he was formed.
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Arellia
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| Sun May 08, 2005 11:40 pm |
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--double post, my apologies--
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Founder
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| Mon May 09, 2005 1:11 am |
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So these other people were made by God as well? 
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Arellia
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| Mon May 09, 2005 4:57 pm |
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Certainly. I suggest grabbing up a bible and reading it. It's very short. As I'd said...Cain was persecuted in the "cities" that he went out into, according to Genesis. There couldn't have been any cities had there not been people to come before Adam and Eve. Which were of the sixth day creation...I'm reiterating points, so I'm only going to reiterate one last point. It'll be clear if you read it.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon May 09, 2005 4:59 pm |
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Clarification: So in the Bible it was likely that there were people living BEFORE Adam and Eve? So, then wouldn't evolution be likely, even for devout believers of the Bible?
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Founder
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| Mon May 09, 2005 5:10 pm |
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So Adam and Eve are not the first people created? Their importance is that they are the direct ancestors to Jesus? So the Bible does not say they were the first humans created?
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Hitchhiker
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| Mon May 09, 2005 5:21 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | So Adam and Eve are not the first people created? Their importance is that they are the direct ancestors to Jesus? So the Bible does not say they were the first humans created? |
Apparently what happened was:
- God created the first humans: Adam and Eve
- God expels Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden
- Some time passes. Adam and Eve are fruitful and multiply . . . a lot.
- Cain slays Abel, gets exiled to land of Nod
Obviously, there are more people other than Adam and Eve . . . regardless of whether or not they were created first:
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16And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod to the east of Eden.
17And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch.
18And unto Enoch was born Irad; and Irad begot Mehujael, and Mehujael begot Methushael, and Methushael begot Lamech.
19And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. |
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| Mon May 09, 2005 5:34 pm |
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R_M I would have guessed you knew the bible like the back of your hand....
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Leo Wyatt
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| Mon May 09, 2005 5:36 pm |
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This is going around in circles. People believe in different things.
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