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borgslayer
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 Mon May 02, 2005 10:40 pm How would you deal with Illegal Immigrants? |
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Heres how I deal with them.
1 - I would deport many Illegal Immigrants back to their own country.
2 - I would fine companies and small busineses $50,000 if they are caught hiring Illegal Immigrants.
3 - Illegal Immigrants in this country would be banned from owning bank accounts, and driver licenses.
4 - Illegal Immigrants in this country would receive no healthcare, and will be banned from attending any form of schooling in the USA.
5 - Illegal Immigrants caught in cities would be deported no questions asked.
6 - Any Illegal Immigrants currently working in the United States would be fired from their jobs and deported.
7 - Illegal Immigrants in this country would be banned from sending remitances. (They can't send money back to their own country)
8 - Legal Immigrants in the United States who do not have a job would receive most of the jobs that Illegal Immigrants used to have.
9 - I would build a massive 20 FT high concrete wall that would be 4 bricks thick. It would span from California to Arizona to New Mexico.
10 - Texas would get a barb wired 20 FT high steel fence.
11 - More cameras would be installed on the border to catch Illegals.
12 - At least 100,000 more Border Patrol Agents would be added to California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas.
13 - A new branch would be added to the National Guard which is the National Guards own Border Patrol. At least 15,000 Guardsmen would guard the borders from California to Texas.
Just some of my ideas. Note that my idea would very costly but good in the long run.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon May 02, 2005 10:46 pm |
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Alright, first off, we HAVE to secure our borders. That should take priority.
Also, I like some of your ideas, such as,
| Quote: | | 1 - I would deport many Illegal Immigrants back to their own country. |
If they just recently got here and aren't so integrated into society, yes.
| Quote: | | 2 - I would fine companies and small busineses $50,000 if they are caught hiring Illegal Immigrants. |
I might consider $100,000, but a fine like that would work.
| Quote: | | 3 - Illegal Immigrants in this country would be banned from owning bank accounts, and driver licenses. |
RIGHT ON.
| Quote: | | 4 - Illegal Immigrants in this country would receive no healthcare, and will be banned from attending any form of schooling in the USA. |
Well, perhaps if they are VERY integrated into society and VERY sick, then they should receive some healthcare. But otherwise, no. But the schooling I agree with 100%
| Quote: | | 5 - Illegal Immigrants caught in cities would be deported no questions asked. |
It depends on how integrated they can be proven to be, and their time here. We don't want to GREATLY disrupt the economy and what not.
| Quote: | | 6 - Any Illegal Immigrants currently working in the United States would be fired from their jobs and deported. |
Same thing as above.
| Quote: | | 7 - Illegal Immigrants in this country would be banned from sending remitances. (They can't send money back to their own country) |
I don't know about that...Perhaps.
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8 - Legal Immigrants in the United States who do not have a job would receive most of the jobs that Illegal Immigrants used to have. |
Sure, sure. They should take precedence, too, but enforcement...
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9 - I would build a massive 20 FT high concrete wall that would be 4 bricks thick. It would span from California to Arizona to New Mexico.
10 - Texas would get a barb wired 20 FT high steel fence. |
My plan is truly better. Try to find it 
| Quote: | | 11 - More cameras would be installed on the border to catch Illegals. |
Who could disagree with that?
| Quote: | | 12 - At least 100,000 more Border Patrol Agents would be added to California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. |
No. At least 200,000. And SOON.
| Quote: | | 13 - A new branch would be added to the National Guard which is the National Guards own Border Patrol. At least 15,000 Guardsmen would guard the borders from California to Texas. |
I could partially agree with that, but again, my plan's better and more thought out for security 
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Republican_Man
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| Mon May 02, 2005 10:54 pm |
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My plan, from the STV Congress:
| "Operation Border Security" wrote: | Operation Border Security
1. Whereas millions of illegal immigrants pass over our borders every year,
2. Whereas immigration laws are broken daily,
3. Whereas jobs from American citizens are taken, hence leaving fewer jobs for Americans,
4. Whereas our border patrol is unable to efficiently secure our border,
5. Whereas our welfare system has expanded because of illegal immigration,
6. Whereas hospitals have been forced to report bankruptcy, and
7. Whereas terrorists have crossed our borders and are easily able to do so,
8. Be it resolved that the United States Federal government should initiate Operation Border Security.
9. Section 1: At crucial points of entry, the government place a quarter mile to half-mile wall consisting of relatively low cost yet strong material, perhaps made of residue, depending on the specific situation.
10. Section 2: Walls would also be scattered in a ratio of one-quarter mile of wall to every two miles of land. This would therefore result in limited points of entry by illegal immigrants.
11. Section 3: Between each wall, an outpost of Border Patrolmen and/or National Guardsmen will be posted, and the officials at each of these outposts will fan out and stop illegal immigrants.
12. Section 4: Jetfighters or other airplanes as well as helicopters and unmanned vehicles will be placed along the border and search each entry point.
13. Section 5: In order to make this operation work, however, the Bush Guest Worker Proposal must be dissolved until the illegal immigrant entrance rate is at no more than 500 to 1000 per year, at the very most.
14. Therefore be it resolved that the United States Federal government should implement Operation Border Security.
Respectfully submitted,
Congressman James O'Reilly. |
I think it's quite a good defense strategy, and the Minutemen project has proved similar things to work well.
Btw, have you signed the big petition going around? Over 300,000 people have signed. Visit www.billoreilly.com for the link.
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borgslayer
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| Mon May 02, 2005 11:00 pm |
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^ Those are some good ideas. The U.S. just needs to implement the ideas that is most effective.
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Why don't we hang them too? Burn them too? There is so much more thatn can be done to ruin their lives. 
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^I didn't see where anyone suggested anything like that. We do have a problem, and something does need to be done. That's not saying that they are lesser, or that they don't have every right to run from persecution, but totally open borders aren't going to help either country.
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| Theresa wrote: | | ^I didn't see where anyone suggested anything like that. We do have a problem, and something does need to be done. That's not saying that they are lesser, or that they don't have every right to run from persecution, but totally open borders aren't going to help either country. |
Well I agree that we need to fix the border problem. But I don't think these..."ideas on how to deal with them." are good at all. Quite frankly its appalling. We need to make better steps with the Mexican gov. We need to help make green cards not so impposible to attain. Despite popular belief, they aren't sneaking over here because they are cheap or impatient. More so, because its so hard to get a green card. Steps need to be taken. These are not right steps, we shouldn't be "dealing" with them. They didn't really do anything wrong.
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| Founder wrote: | | Well I agree that we need to fix the border problem. But I don't think these..."ideas on how to deal with them." are good at all. Quite frankly its appalling. We need to make better steps with the Mexican gov. We need to help make green cards not so impposible to attain. Despite popular belief, they aren't sneaking over here because they are cheap or impatient. More so, because its so hard to get a green card. Steps need to be taken. These are not right steps, we shouldn't be "dealing" with them. They didn't really do anything wrong. |
Indeed. Call me a radical here, but perhaps the best way to improve immigration problems is to improve the . . . Immigration Office.
Immigration guidelines should be analyzed to see where they can be modified--for example, in the case of the green card. Also, the Immigration Office needs to get out of its bureaucratic trench and work on enforcing their policies--border guards help, but a more effective Immigration Office would be better for everyone.
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I'd make treaties with the countries that they are coming from to improve the economic situation over there. Anyone alone and under 12 years old can stay. Also believe that it's the individual situation that counts, so you'd have to do some sort of background check on everyone that wishes to be in my country. If that takes too long from my part (a.k.a 5 years) they have been spending way too much time in my country and they are my fellow countrymen so they can stay.
But borgslayer, you're wanting to treat these people like they are some kind dicease that you need to keep out. But all they are doing is looking for ways to improve their lives and if you were in their position I'm sure you would too. There are "illigal" immigrants right now, obviously they're no real threat to your health system or your whole soceity, don't really get where all that hate cames from.
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Well, they do take away jobs, and somehow employers can get away paying people less given the option the greedy milionares would rather pay 3 an hour than 6
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| Tue May 03, 2005 12:59 am |
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| Lord Borg wrote: | | Well, they do take away jobs, and somehow employers can get away paying people less given the option the greedy milionares would rather pay 3 an hour than 6 |
They take away jobs? Like?
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anything really. Alot of them look for jobs, and get it (wasnt there a topic about the job thing somewheres?) so, you have an imagrant taking a job, then you have a us citizen that is out of luck 
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| Lord Borg wrote: | | anything really. Alot of them look for jobs, and get it (wasnt there a topic about the job thing somewheres?) so, you have an imagrant taking a job, then you have a us citizen that is out of luck |
I respectfully disagree. They usually take menial jobs. Jobs that I don't see anyone else rushing to obtain.
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hmm.. yeah, well i dont mean the rich people jobs lol but i do see your point
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| Tue May 03, 2005 7:04 am Re: How would you deal with Illegal Immigrants? |
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| borgslayer wrote: | Heres how I deal with them.
1 - I would deport many Illegal Immigrants back to their own country.
2 - I would fine companies and small busineses $50,000 if they are caught hiring Illegal Immigrants.
3 - Illegal Immigrants in this country would be banned from owning bank accounts, and driver licenses.
4 - Illegal Immigrants in this country would receive no healthcare, and will be banned from attending any form of schooling in the USA.
5 - Illegal Immigrants caught in cities would be deported no questions asked.
6 - Any Illegal Immigrants currently working in the United States would be fired from their jobs and deported.
7 - Illegal Immigrants in this country would be banned from sending remitances. (They can't send money back to their own country)
8 - Legal Immigrants in the United States who do not have a job would receive most of the jobs that Illegal Immigrants used to have.
9 - I would build a massive 20 FT high concrete wall that would be 4 bricks thick. It would span from California to Arizona to New Mexico.
10 - Texas would get a barb wired 20 FT high steel fence.
11 - More cameras would be installed on the border to catch Illegals.
12 - At least 100,000 more Border Patrol Agents would be added to California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas.
13 - A new branch would be added to the National Guard which is the National Guards own Border Patrol. At least 15,000 Guardsmen would guard the borders from California to Texas.
Just some of my ideas. Note that my idea would very costly but good in the long run. |
You left out the most crucial part: there must be a national ID card or some way to irrefutably separate legal residents from illegal ones. With strict enforcement and deportation, the walls and guards become less necessary.
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| Founder wrote: | | Lord Borg wrote: | | anything really. Alot of them look for jobs, and get it (wasnt there a topic about the job thing somewheres?) so, you have an imagrant taking a job, then you have a us citizen that is out of luck |
I respectfully disagree. They usually take menial jobs. Jobs that I don't see anyone else rushing to obtain. |
I respectfully dis-disagree. By working for sub-standard wages, they keep legal immigrants from getting work and drive down the wages in places where legal immigrants can get work. I guarantee there are enough people here legally to fill these "menial" jobs. And why should businesses get to make more profit by (illegally) hiring cheap labor?
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I agree with webtaz99, they do take away alot of jobs, especially in the south. Alot of businesses have hired more illegal aliens and Americans loose their jobs. My mom lost her job cause of it so did lot more in the south.
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| Tue May 03, 2005 11:44 am |
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | Lord Borg wrote: | | anything really. Alot of them look for jobs, and get it (wasnt there a topic about the job thing somewheres?) so, you have an imagrant taking a job, then you have a us citizen that is out of luck |
I respectfully disagree. They usually take menial jobs. Jobs that I don't see anyone else rushing to obtain. |
I respectfully dis-disagree. By working for sub-standard wages, they keep legal immigrants from getting work and drive down the wages in places where legal immigrants can get work. I guarantee there are enough people here legally to fill these "menial" jobs. And why should businesses get to make more profit by (illegally) hiring cheap labor? |
Dude, thats a damn lie and you know it. There are enough "legal" immigrants to fill EVERY menial job? No, I don't think so. They don't really "drive down the wages". You're blaming the wrong people. Blame the people that hire them. Not the immigrants themsevles. They're just trying to live. Not you, me, or anyone else can deny them that.
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If you don't take in people for menial jobs such dishwashing, bin men etc then you shouldn't take doctors and so on. Simple way of looking at it. 
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^That really isn't the issue. The main problem is border jumpers, no one really asks what job you have when your riding in the back of a truck.
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| Founder wrote: | | webtaz99 wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | Lord Borg wrote: | | anything really. Alot of them look for jobs, and get it (wasnt there a topic about the job thing somewheres?) so, you have an imagrant taking a job, then you have a us citizen that is out of luck |
I respectfully disagree. They usually take menial jobs. Jobs that I don't see anyone else rushing to obtain. |
I respectfully dis-disagree. By working for sub-standard wages, they keep legal immigrants from getting work and drive down the wages in places where legal immigrants can get work. I guarantee there are enough people here legally to fill these "menial" jobs. And why should businesses get to make more profit by (illegally) hiring cheap labor? |
Dude, thats a damn lie and you know it. There are enough "legal" immigrants to fill EVERY menial job? No, I don't think so. They don't really "drive down the wages". You're blaming the wrong people. Blame the people that hire them. Not the immigrants themsevles. They're just trying to live. Not you, me, or anyone else can deny them that. |
I said "people here legally" - that includes people born here. Please don't call me a liar without proof.
I'll meet you half way on the employers - they are equally guilty. But it takes two to tango. (And I did ask the question at the end.)
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Republican_Man
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| Tue May 03, 2005 4:32 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Why don't we hang them too? Burn them too? There is so much more thatn can be done to ruin their lives. |
NO ONE said that, Founder. And NO ONE implied that. We are NOT wanting to persecute them, just punish them for BREAKING OUR LAWS. We might as well not punish ANYONE for breaking the law, then.
| Theresa wrote: | | ^I didn't see where anyone suggested anything like that. We do have a problem, and something does need to be done. That's not saying that they are lesser, or that they don't have every right to run from persecution, but totally open borders aren't going to help either country. |
Exactly.
| Founder wrote: | | Theresa wrote: | | ^I didn't see where anyone suggested anything like that. We do have a problem, and something does need to be done. That's not saying that they are lesser, or that they don't have every right to run from persecution, but totally open borders aren't going to help either country. |
Well I agree that we need to fix the border problem. But I don't think these..."ideas on how to deal with them." are good at all. Quite frankly its appalling. We need to make better steps with the Mexican gov. We need to help make green cards not so impposible to attain. Despite popular belief, they aren't sneaking over here because they are cheap or impatient. More so, because its so hard to get a green card. Steps need to be taken. These are not right steps, we shouldn't be "dealing" with them. They didn't really do anything wrong. |
1. Yes, I agree with your agreement about the border problem.
2. How is it appalling to wonder how we should deal with our nation's GREATEST HOMELAND SECURITY threat, huh?
3. Yes, we should make greencards easier to obtain. No disagreement there.
4. Sure, greencards are a reason, but so is patience.
5. Really didn't do anything wrong? WHAT? Ever hear of US Immigration LAWS? They BROKE them to come in. Yeah, they didn't do anything wrong, alright
| Hitchhiker wrote: | Indeed. Call me a radical here, but perhaps the best way to improve immigration problems is to improve the . . . Immigration Office.
Immigration guidelines should be analyzed to see where they can be modified--for example, in the case of the green card. Also, the Immigration Office needs to get out of its bureaucratic trench and work on enforcing their policies--border guards help, but a more effective Immigration Office would be better for everyone. |
While I agree with your sentiment, there are OTHER things that need to be done. However, so do those things. We need to actually have the border people and immigration office DO THEIR JOB right. Now THAT'S a thought. And we need to get rid of "sanctuary cities." LA's one, Denver's one, Boulder's one, and other cities across the country are ones.
| Dirt wrote: | I'd make treaties with the countries that they are coming from to improve the economic situation over there. Anyone alone and under 12 years old can stay. Also believe that it's the individual situation that counts, so you'd have to do some sort of background check on everyone that wishes to be in my country. If that takes too long from my part (a.k.a 5 years) they have been spending way too much time in my country and they are my fellow countrymen so they can stay.
But borgslayer, you're wanting to treat these people like they are some kind dicease that you need to keep out. But all they are doing is looking for ways to improve their lives and if you were in their position I'm sure you would too. There are "illigal" immigrants right now, obviously they're no real threat to your health system or your whole soceity, don't really get where all that hate cames from. |
While your 1st paragraph has some merit, Mexico will NOT do anything to improve their conditions--they are only HELPING to INCREASE the problem. And borgslayer is NOT treating them like they are some sort of disease. He's a loyal countrymen who's concerned about our laws and security. But wait--that's a BAD thing
| webtaz99 wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | Lord Borg wrote: | | anything really. Alot of them look for jobs, and get it (wasnt there a topic about the job thing somewheres?) so, you have an imagrant taking a job, then you have a us citizen that is out of luck |
I respectfully disagree. They usually take menial jobs. Jobs that I don't see anyone else rushing to obtain. |
I respectfully dis-disagree. By working for sub-standard wages, they keep legal immigrants from getting work and drive down the wages in places where legal immigrants can get work. I guarantee there are enough people here legally to fill these "menial" jobs. And why should businesses get to make more profit by (illegally) hiring cheap labor? |
Taz, you are quite right. The wage situation is exactly why employers prefer hiring ILLEGALS than LEGALS. Sure, they take jobs that Americans don't want, but at the same time, there are STILL many unemployed persons in this country, and only 11%, according to the Labor Department, are willfully unemployed. The rest are unemployed unwillfully, ie getting fired or layed off, and as of March of 2005, the unemployment rate was at 5.2% Now, WHAT do you think is one reason why they're not getting jobs? Illegal immigrants.
I shall quote my speech from my debate on giving guest worker visas to Illegal Immigrants.
| My Speech wrote: | | First, giving illegal aliens guest worker visas would injure the US economy. The US government has an estimated 293 plus milion people, and a great amount of these people are in the lower-class, or near that class, of the nation. These people--23% of the US population, according to 1998 statistics--ten to take low-skilled occupations...They take jobs away from Americans that need them. Many Americans, polls suggest, simply want to "get by" and be able to put a shelter over their heads and receive food, water, and clothing for themselves and their families. And so these people tend to take jobs such as construction, janitorial, fast food, etc. jobs away from rightful Americans and legal immigrants. If you go to the East of the country, you see many non-Hispanic people still in these jobs.... |
And there are an estimated TWENTY MILLION illegal immigrants in this country NOW, and these numbers are only increasing, especially with the guest worker program proposal.
But my research shows that illegal immigrants ARE taking jobs from legal immigrants and US citizens.
| Jeremy wrote: | | If you don't take in people for menial jobs such dishwashing, bin men etc then you shouldn't take doctors and so on. Simple way of looking at it. |
Read above, please
| Theresa wrote: | | ^That really isn't the issue. The main problem is border jumpers, no one really asks what job you have when your riding in the back of a truck. |
Right. And did you know that the border patrol actually SENDS ILLEGAL immigrants on their way in many areas and in some actually bring them to the BUS STATION?
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | webtaz99 wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | Lord Borg wrote: | | anything really. Alot of them look for jobs, and get it (wasnt there a topic about the job thing somewheres?) so, you have an imagrant taking a job, then you have a us citizen that is out of luck |
I respectfully disagree. They usually take menial jobs. Jobs that I don't see anyone else rushing to obtain. |
I respectfully dis-disagree. By working for sub-standard wages, they keep legal immigrants from getting work and drive down the wages in places where legal immigrants can get work. I guarantee there are enough people here legally to fill these "menial" jobs. And why should businesses get to make more profit by (illegally) hiring cheap labor? |
Dude, thats a damn lie and you know it. There are enough "legal" immigrants to fill EVERY menial job? No, I don't think so. They don't really "drive down the wages". You're blaming the wrong people. Blame the people that hire them. Not the immigrants themsevles. They're just trying to live. Not you, me, or anyone else can deny them that. |
I said "people here legally" - that includes people born here. Please don't call me a liar without proof.
I'll meet you half way on the employers - they are equally guilty. But it takes two to tango. (And I did ask the question at the end.) |
Alright I won't call you a liar, then that means you're VERY misinformed. Two to tango? Um what do you expect them to do? Come over here and just become homeless? They take what they can get. Thats life. Don't give me that, they shouldn't have come here in the first place. You don't know what it is like for them.
| Republican_Man wrote: | 1. Yes, I agree with your agreement about the border problem.
2. How is it appalling to wonder how we should deal with our nation's GREATEST HOMELAND SECURITY threat, huh?
3. Yes, we should make greencards easier to obtain. No disagreement there.
4. Sure, greencards are a reason, but so is patience.
5. Really didn't do anything wrong? WHAT? Ever hear of US Immigration LAWS? They BROKE them to come in. Yeah, they didn't do anything wrong, alright |
How is it appalling? Because of the methods and just the way it sounds. You all are making it sound like they are this disgusting disease that is spreading. Next time, you all should word it better. So is patience? No it isn't. They don't have time to sit around and wait years. The living conditions are poor. They need to get out of there. Its not a matter of patience. No they didn't do anything wrong. They only wanted something better. The founding fathers of America were border jumpers too. They came to this land, which belonged to Native Americans. They made a life for themselves. A better one. Thats all these people want. So NO they are not doing anything wrong.
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| Tue May 03, 2005 4:48 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | How is appalling? Because of the methods and just the way it sounds. You all are making it sound like they are this disgusting disease that is spreading. Next time, you all should word it better. So is patience? No it isn't. They don't have time to sit around and wait years. The living conditions are poor. They need to get out of there. Its not a matter of patience. No they didn't do anything wrong. They only wanted something better. The founding fathers of America were border jumpers too. They came to this land, which belonged to Native Americans. They made a life for themselves. A better one. Thats all these people want. So NO they are not doing anything wrong. |
I don't find us talking like it's a disease, but that's beside the point.
Founder, I 100% agree with you that MOST of the illegal immigrants' intentions are to work and bring themselves a better life. I would do the same. However, we have LAWS and they are BREAKING them. We have to do something about this, not only on our borders, but inside at home, or face the gravest Homeland Security threat as graver than ever. Even if they aren't terrorists, they BROKE OUR LAWS and we have to do something about it. Or would you prefer that we DON'T enforce our laws?
Btw, at the borders, terrorists, according to Fmr. Deputy Sec. of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, could bring over a nuclear missile and we wouldn't even know it. That's so true.
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