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Hitchhiker
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I disagree that George W. Bush's actions are irrelevant. It can be argued that both Bush and Hitler have affected the entire world--because they have. Note that this is not a comparison in the morality or correctness of the decisions and actions of either Bush or Hitler. Both had their reasons. I am simply arguing that history should be maintained from a neutral perspective.
| Republican_Man wrote: | | That's all that matters. |
Who decides what matters?
If one decides to completely focus upon a particular viewpoint, then that is a form of educational, cultural, and historical censorship. The purpose of history is to educate future generations. By removing a certain point of information because it is deemed "irrelevant," one is censoring history and thus affecting the decisions of future generations. Instead, history should be presented neutrally so all those who experience it can make their own informed decisions, with none of the facts missing. Otherwise, it is known as propaganda and--as I mentioned before--a revisionist version of history.
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
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| Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:15 pm |
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It's all that I think matters. My opinion. Someone who commits genocide can NOT be compared to this president. Anyone who says so is an IDIOT and wrong. My God, Tach. My God.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:29 pm |
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That's your opinion and your allowed to have it. But it doesn't mean it's right.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:33 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | That's your opinion and your allowed to have it. But it doesn't mean it's right. |
To which opinion are you referring?
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Theresa
Lux Mihi Deus
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| Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:35 pm |
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Any and all. Now back on topic. Yay. New Pope. Happy for you Catholic people.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:39 pm |
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it's was made in a general sense, but Mostly your comment.
Anyone can be compared to everyone, it's done in every aspect of life. Unfortunetly there are people who turn blind eyes to both sides of things, in favor of what they think is right.
Yes Hitler slaughtered millions, but people turned a blind eye to the fact that he also brought 2 countries out of extreme economical debt, decreased unemployment, increased industry and expanded a completly depleted military with properly trained soldiers.
A little thing to think about, without WW2 the US might have never recovered from the Great Depression.
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Theresa
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| Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:42 pm |
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YAY FOR THE NEW POPE!
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:50 pm |
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eep... sorry T
Yes, well, the new pope, conservative, could pull off Emperor Palpatine for halloween, Bad for many people, oh well.
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Jeff Miller
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| Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:38 pm |
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If people are going to fight in this topic how about it gets unsticked.
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Theresa
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| Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:40 pm |
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There has been no "fight", and how about no. I'll do it when I choose, or Jeremy will. This is still fairly new, and fairly important news. How about we just expect the users to show some decorum. Back on topic.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:40 pm |
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I think that those other things of Hitler are irrelevant, but whatever. Yes, back on topic. Yay for the new Pope!
However, Link, you're Palpatine thing. BAH! 
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Hitchhiker
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I'm glad that they managed to choose a new pope relatively quickly. It shows that the conclave could agree on the direction in which the Vatican should be moving, and shows in whom they are willing to place these decisions. I hope that Pope Benedict XVI can be the right type of leader for the Roman Catholic Church, a distinctly different leader than Pope John Paul II, but similar in influence. Perhaps not everyone is happy with the choice, but the easiness of the decisions is comforting to some degree.
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Dirt
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| Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:53 pm |
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We all know that he's gonna last about 5 years, happens with most German things 
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:16 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | I'm glad that they managed to choose a new pope relatively quickly. It shows that the conclave could agree on the direction in which the Vatican should be moving, and shows in whom they are willing to place these decisions. I hope that Pope Benedict XVI can be the right type of leader for the Roman Catholic Church, a distinctly different leader than Pope John Paul II, but similar in influence. Perhaps not everyone is happy with the choice, but the easiness of the decisions is comforting to some degree. |
I agree. This does show union amongst the leaders of the Church.
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Dirt
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| Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:18 pm |
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Dude, the longest they ever took was 2 weeks
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Hitchhiker
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| Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:43 pm |
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| Dirt wrote: | | Dude, the longest they ever took was 2 weeks |
That is inaccurate. While it is true that modern times show less voting deadlock because of the new rules implemented, in historical times there have been some . . . interesting solutions. Furthermore, two days is still quite impressive, considering the number of candidates and the majority required.
| Wikipedia wrote: | | In earlier years, papal elections sometimes suffered prolonged deadlocks. To resolve them, authorities often resorted to the forced seclusion of the cardinal electors. The method was adopted, for example, in 1216 by the city of Perugia and in 1241 by the city of Rome. After the death of Clement IV in 1268, the city of Viterbo was also forced to resort to the seclusion of cardinals in the episcopal palace. When the cardinals still failed to elect a Pope, the city refused to send in any materials except bread and water. As a result, the cardinals soon elected Gregory X, ending an interregnum of almost three years. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_election
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Hitchhiker
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| Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:42 pm |
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The pope has even chosen an email address. ^_^ It's cool seeing something like that, because it contrasts the normally traditional image of a religious leader, especially one such as the pope.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:17 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | The pope has even chosen an email address. ^_^ It's cool seeing something like that, because it contrasts the normally traditional image of a religious leader, especially one such as the pope. |
Wow. That's interesting. lol, cool.
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Starbuck
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| Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:23 pm |
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JPII had an email address.
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Annatar
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| Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:29 pm |
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I think the new pope will be a horrible one. I am grieved that the decision didn't take longer. Maybe they were influenced by his sharp tongue?  I must admit, I have heard tell of this pope's conservativeness. Perhaps this pontiff will be of ill choice?
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:37 pm |
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| Annatar wrote: | | I think the new pope will be a horrible one. I am grieved that the decision didn't take longer. Maybe they were influenced by his sharp tongue? I must admit, I have heard tell of this pope's conservativeness. Perhaps this pontiff will be of ill choice? |
Oh come on! The Pope is SUPPOSED to be conservative. I don't get why we need to have someone who's Liberal. Who supports abortion. Who supports so many things that just aren't what he's supposed to support.
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Dirt
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| Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:10 pm |
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Got some new jokes:
if the Pope was a dog, what kind would he be?
A german shepard.
He also said something about the church having to be one people, with one leader. Made me think of a classic line in German history, Ein Volch, Ein Reich, Ein Fuehrer Since that's what he waaaaaaaas saying except the Reich part
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Annatar
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| Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:21 pm |
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Dirt, extremely insightful! And I loved the joke. I'll remember that one. 
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Dirt
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| Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:25 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | Dirt wrote: | | Dude, the longest they ever took was 2 weeks |
That is inaccurate. While it is true that modern times show less voting deadlock because of the new rules implemented, in historical times there have been some . . . interesting solutions. Furthermore, two days is still quite impressive, considering the number of candidates and the majority required.
| Wikipedia wrote: | | In earlier years, papal elections sometimes suffered prolonged deadlocks. To resolve them, authorities often resorted to the forced seclusion of the cardinal electors. The method was adopted, for example, in 1216 by the city of Perugia and in 1241 by the city of Rome. After the death of Clement IV in 1268, the city of Viterbo was also forced to resort to the seclusion of cardinals in the episcopal palace. When the cardinals still failed to elect a Pope, the city refused to send in any materials except bread and water. As a result, the cardinals soon elected Gregory X, ending an interregnum of almost three years. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_election |
Rightio, and what times are we living again, not somewhere near the 1200 's right?
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Puck
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| Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:46 pm |
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Too bad that still means your statement was wrong .
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