Giving Guest Worker Visas to Illegal Immigrants

[Zeke Zabertini]

I'm not very well educated on the matter, but the whole idea of welfare expiring after a period of time seems practical. Of course, that time couldn't be set, it would have to be determined by a variety of factors. In the end, it might be more complicated than it was worth.

[Hitchhiker]

[Republican_Man]

^I could agree with that. And when you find someone on welfare that shouldn't be on it, is exploiting it, or isn't in a circumstance like that woman, then you should pull those expenses off and put them elsewhere. But that's not what this debate is about. Although welfare is something that Illegal Immigrants would get from this plan, it's not the debate at hand. So back on topic, please.

[Zeke Zabertini]

I think you need someone to argue the case for guest worker visas. I could give you reasons it's a good idea, but they're all pretty easily refutable arguments. I had enough trouble in the Congress.

[Republican_Man]

No, not anymore.

[Kylon]

Most people wouldn't agree with me on this, but I think we should place land mines all across the border, to keep Mexican immigrants from coming into the United States illegally.

I think that by doing that we could eliminate alot of illegal immigration, because when you think about it, the only people immigranting illegally, are lawbreakers. Do we really want a HUGE number of criminals in the United States?

There are alot of good people who immigrate here who just want a better life, but an awful lot more simply want to suck the American economy dry. I think that we should encourage worldwide immigration, and take the best and brightest from every civilization, provide them with visas, and then the population would benefit from an influx of highly intelligent highly skilled labor, which would reduce the total cost of doing business in the United States for employers, and thus make us more competetive on a global scale, meanwhile we should use all means(including martial law) to deter illegal immigration.

[Hitchhiker]

[Kylon]

My point exactly, there is absolutely no discrimination, and yet it would eliminate much of the illegal trafficking of people into the United States.

It's not directed against Mexicans, it's directed against illegal immigrants.

[Republican_Man]

[webtaz99]

To ANYONE here illegally, no matter what the circumstances, deportation.

The "guest worker" setup (like so many in this country) were well-meant, but ill-conceived and wrongly implemented. There are thousands (and probably more) here who were supposed to leave after so many months, but are still here years later.

[Republican_Man]

^There are TOO MANY to deport. That's why I think that once we have FULLY SECURED our borders, we can start this Guest Worker program. But until then, NO.

[webtaz99]

^ How can there be too many to deport. Cargo ships aren't that expensive.

[Republican_Man]

No, I mean getting everyone. Estimates are 20-24 million illegals in this country now. Plus, it would not be right getting only a portion of them anyways.

[webtaz99]

Admitedly a daunting task, but nowhere near impossible.

[Republican_Man]

Quite impossible, though.

[webtaz99]

Why do think that? I am honestly puzzled.

[Republican_Man]

24 million people is a LARGE amount

[Jeremy]

I have a question, how did America come into creation? Through immigrants. Just something to think about. Also they aren't aiming to suck the country dry, just get a slightly better lifestyle for themselves than the shanty town one in Mexico or other countries.

[Theresa]

Amusing, really. It's kind of sad that people won't consider the overcrowding here already, and that we have no problem with immigrants, just the illegals. While understanding why they do come, and I'd probably do the same in that situation, you can also understand that you are taking the chance of being sent home.
I just went and applied for student aid. Since I'm not a minority, pregnant or a single mother, or a convicted felon, or on welfare, they said there wasn't much they could do for me. One of the questions was actually regarding illegal immigrants, because they could get monies.

[webtaz99]

Surely we could use a National ID Card with dual biometric records (such as fingerprints and iris-scan) to identify legal residents, and (slowly) deport all illegals.

Also, I believe outsourcing should only be allowed if not enough legal US workers cannot be found. It's the flip-side of the same coin.

[Seven of Nine]

You been reading up on Labour policy there? (The National ID card scheme is exactly what Labour wants to bring in here. Most of the population are either very weary, or against it.)

I was shocked to discover there was a green card lottery (I was looking it up for a friend who was going to be emigrating to the US- her parents are nurses so there is no problem there- then she got pregnant and decided it was too expensive to bring a young child up over there. Her parents are still going though).

As for illegal immigrants, I feel it depends on why they've come to the country. If they've come because they're being persecuted in their own country, and they're willing to work, then I feel they should be allowed to. Those who just think the US and the UK (who are also having problems with illegal immigration, unsurprisingly) are the golden lands of oppertunity, should be be sent home, and if they really want to come to these countries should apply in the correct manner. That's just my view though.

[borgslayer]

They are here "ILLEGALLY" they DO NOT need a temporary workers program. They are just taking all the jobs that we "LEGAL CITIZENS" want or need.

On the other note this plan also pushes for more "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT RIGHTS"

So whats next Bush? Free housing for illegal immigrants in the U.S.?

BAD IDEA! Republicans know it!

[Republican_Man]

[Jeremy]

[Theresa]

How is it not fair? We have to think of the US first, as selfish as that sounds. But it is totally necessary in these situations. "What can you offer us" is a standard question. Remember, illegals are not refugees.