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Dr. Daystrom
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PostThu Apr 07, 2005 4:04 pm    First Borg?

Ask Q. He would know.

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PostFri Apr 08, 2005 6:27 am    Re: First Borg?

Dr. Daystrom wrote:
Ask Q. He would know.


Yeah, he probably does, all Q's do.



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PostSat Apr 16, 2005 11:14 am    

I was hoping that the Enterprise series would answer that question. Maybe it did. With the episode that they encountered the strange dock that repaired enterprise. But they abducted an officer and had him hooked into the ship

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PostSat Apr 16, 2005 3:29 pm    

GMalenko wrote:
I was hoping that the Enterprise series would answer that question. Maybe it did. With the episode that they encountered the strange dock that repaired enterprise. But they abducted an officer and had him hooked into the ship



Which episode was that?

Do you know the episode on ST:ENT where the borg appear?


Perhaps V'ger of TOS has got something to do with it too.



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PostSat Jun 24, 2006 4:24 am    

I ripped this post from one of my replies on a no longer active forum, A Similar question was asked and my answer was:

I read something once that said the Borg started out as a species that had some of there people infected by a virus. Shortly later a women had developed the technology to eliminate the viral material on th microscopic level. She injected the infected people with the microscopic robots(Nano-probes) and they were cured. Shortly later though she discovered that these people had improved eye sight, they became stronger and could think as fast as super computers. Drawn in by sheer facination of what had happened to them she injected her self with the nano-probes. She began to notice the changes is herself almost instantly. After that she began to learn at a global rate. In a matter of weeks she knew everything on her planet. She developed a lust for power and began to Kill those who opposed her. Then it occured to her that she could simply make them serve her. So she captured them(Assimilated) and tied them into her brain. In a matter of months she had control of everyone on her planet. Then she saught more and started to create space faring vessels with technology that no one had ever seen. Eventually she came across other races and found that they could easily be captured(Assimilated). She took what ever technology from her new species and enhanced her vessels. Each time she took a new species her numbers grew by hundreds and even thousands. She built even more vessels and kept on thirsting for knoledge and technology.

This is just what have read and is somewhat my opinion on how the Borg came into being.



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PostSat Jun 24, 2006 4:47 am    

Spellbinder Marik wrote:
I ripped this post from one of my replies on a no longer active forum, A Similar question was asked and my answer was:

I read something once that said the Borg started out as a species that had some of there people infected by a virus. Shortly later a women had developed the technology to eliminate the viral material on th microscopic level. She injected the infected people with the microscopic robots(Nano-probes) and they were cured. Shortly later though she discovered that these people had improved eye sight, they became stronger and could think as fast as super computers. Drawn in by sheer facination of what had happened to them she injected her self with the nano-probes. She began to notice the changes is herself almost instantly. After that she began to learn at a global rate. In a matter of weeks she knew everything on her planet. She developed a lust for power and began to Kill those who opposed her. Then it occured to her that she could simply make them serve her. So she captured them(Assimilated) and tied them into her brain. In a matter of months she had control of everyone on her planet. Then she saught more and started to create space faring vessels with technology that no one had ever seen. Eventually she came across other races and found that they could easily be captured(Assimilated). She took what ever technology from her new species and enhanced her vessels. Each time she took a new species her numbers grew by hundreds and even thousands. She built even more vessels and kept on thirsting for knoledge and technology.

This is just what have read and is somewhat my opinion on how the Borg came into being.


I like that theory a lot. I think the VOY books about their return had a...similiar theory.


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PostSat Jun 24, 2006 4:52 am    

Thank you. I'm glad you liked it. I had fun coming up with it.


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PostSat Jun 24, 2006 4:55 am    

That theory does explain the Queen's obsession with obtaining perfection. I could see her starting out as a simple person, a scientist type. Then getting tiny tastes of power and wanting more and more and more. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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PostSat Jun 24, 2006 3:03 pm    

In the event that I ever finish my fanfic I'll post it here for you all to read. I think you'll be surprised as to what became of the Borg.

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PostSat Jun 24, 2006 7:00 pm    

there was a episode that explains it, i think in the next generation or voyager. the borg were once a race like humans, but wanted perfection, so they tried new things, and new technology, and linked up to each other. as a hive , but needed a single memeber to be the hive mind, the controler, Queen. so thats how she came in effect. she has the ability to control them, to speak for them, so do wat ever she wants.
but the Borg were a race like humans, but wanted to become more, to become Perfect. i remember the episode very well, cuz i once wonder why the borg became what they are now.


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PostSat Jun 24, 2006 7:12 pm    

Maybe you're thinking of Star Trek: First Contact. I think the Queen says something like "We were once like you..." But I don't think she literally meant EXACTLY like Humans. I think she just meant that they used to be like some Humanoid aliens exploring the unknown or something and eventually they found a better way to learn of the unknown? I'm not sure...

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PostSat Jun 24, 2006 7:14 pm    

Yeah, I bet it was done over time with upgrades and such, medical implants that sort of thing. I think it was said the Borg Queen was not the first borg

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PostSat Jun 24, 2006 8:36 pm    

found somethingon wikipedia:
Nanobot theory

Though not in the formal continuity, a speculative story in the recent short story anthology Strange New Worlds VI offered a theory of their creation. It stated that the Borg came about on a world suffering from a devastating plague. One of the victims was the granddaughter of the planet's ruler, and she forced the scientists treating the plague to attempt a new treatment upon her. Nanotech was introduced into her body, which eliminated the virus and restored her. However, the nanotech was programmed not to make her as she had been before, but to make her perfect. Since she was naturally imperfect, they changed her body and brain, augmenting them with technology and creating the first Borg Queen. The scientists who changed her were put to death by her grandfather, who tried to kill her with gas. Her body adapted to this, removing the need to breathe and allowing her to introduce her nanobots into the wall of the room holding her, melting it, and allowing her to escape. While fighting her guards, she accidentally put the nanotech into one of them, thereby creating a link and changing him. In this way, the first Borg were born. After assimilating their homeworld, the Borg began to assimilate other planets. As the Borg designation for the race of which the Borg queen is a member is Species 125, this explanation is highly tenuous.

However, in later episodes it is shown that if a Borg queen dies, a new one will take its place. Therefore, species 125 could simply be the species number of the new queen (presumably the old one died because the Borg had not assimilated resurrective techniques)

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"V'ger from Borg" theory

The V'ger origin story could be reversed into a "V'ger from Borg" origin theory � V'ger could have been aided by Borg. V'ger mentions in a visual presentation of its origin that it was once a smaller machine, one of NASA's Voyager space probes. It was then rescued and augmented by a race of machines. The name or nature of this machine planet, however, is never elaborated upon, and could well belong to the Borg. Said theory is advanced in William Shatner's novel, The Return, in which the objection that Borg would just assimilate the probe is voiced and countered with the argument that back then the Borg may have been behaving somewhat differently (fans of the novel also like to think that the Borg Queen rose to her position from mere spokeperson as Locutus was after the disruption in the collective mind caused during the story). A piece of supporting evidence can also be found in the novelisation of Star Trek: The Motion Picture written by Gene Roddenberry. In the novel, the V'ger entity notes that the Ilia probe is resisting the programming given to it because of the residual memories and feelings for Decker. When V'ger becomes aware of this, it is aware that "the resistance was futile, of course", which is almost identical to the Borg phrase, "Resistance is futile". The Star Trek novels aren't considered canonical, but it can be considered as at least circumstantial evidence, especially as the novel was written by Star Trek's creator.

One could go even further and pose the question "Why, if they have been around for thousands of years, have the Borg not succeeded in dominating the galaxy?" There are few examples of effective resistance against the Borg, and the two battles of Sector 001, both of which ended in a Borg defeat (though the second outcome is perhaps not so clear-cut), must surely be the exception. Human beings will not make contact with intelligent extraterrestrial life until 2063, and Species 8472, the other race on the short list of those who have defended territory against the Borg, does not enter space as we know it until about 300 years later. Again, however, the Vaadwaur might provide an answer by stating the species had several encounters with the Borg, and "lived to tell the tale". This would suggest that the Borg were not the overwhelming force of the 24th century for most of their existence. Further, it may also be the case that the Borg simply tried to assimilate species that it found sufficiently interesting and add to their "perfection"; Seven of Nine once stated to Neelix that the Kazon were not worth assimilating because they would not add to the Borg's perfection (this was, also, perhaps an in-joke by the creators of Star Trek: Voyager about the Kazon and generally negative fan reaction to them).

Another explanation may lie in the particulars of the evolution of the Borg. V'ger's mission is "to learn all that is learnable" � perhaps to an intelligent machine all that is learnable is abstraction. Were V'ger to join, perhaps become an emissary for a race (or collective) of computers whose purpose is to collect all of the information in the universe � to dominate the Platonic realm, one could view the Borg as having more machine history than cybernetic and see the mission of the Borg as it is more commonly understood � one of acquisition and integration of all of the life, culture, and technology in the universe � as having been born the day V'ger "joined" with Captain Decker. The purpose of this joining was to enable V'ger to understand "the rest of the picture" � could this terrible menace be machine though sparked by a glimpse of human understanding?

The obstacle to a "V'ger from Borg" theory is the apparently great distance between Earth and the space dominated by Borg. Possible rationalizations to address this include:

1. Since the Borg obviously were able to travel back through time in the film, it is conceivable that they travelled back at another point to establish a hive in the 21st century.
2. V'Ger mentions in its visual presentation of its origin that it passed through a kind of disturbance, possibly a wormhole, on its trip to the machine world.

Another issue would be that V'ger appears to have a far more advanced technology than the Borg (if we are to judge it by the size of his vessel and its shields). It could be assumed that V'ger was enhanced by the Borg but continued to improve itself by studying the universe and the technologically advanced species encountered without stopping to assimilate them (thus considerably speeding up the process and meeting far less resistance).


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PostSat Jun 24, 2006 10:42 pm    

well, well, well, if i may say so, i am completly awed, and ashamed, but i like that explination better than mine, and i Second that vote, lol. wow, good knowledge for me to kno bout my people.

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