| Which would win in a fight to the death. |
| Defiant |
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| Y-Wing |
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9% |
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| don't really care |
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18% |
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Sonic74205
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I think you guys are saying all this just to up your amount of posts  
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Cap. Proton
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U are so right
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zero
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:41 pm |
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Founder can be mean, But I still enjoy hearing what he has to say, only because I know he is informed about everything he debates. Wheather he is right or wrong.. It is still interesting...
off topic i know, but T left? And why?
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Leo Wyatt
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:01 pm |
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Chakotay1988, I don't post to up my amount of posts cause posts counts don't count.
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zero
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:09 pm |
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| Rbgirl wrote: | | Chakotay1988, I don't post to up my amount of posts cause posts counts don't count. |
I almost could not understand that on the first browze! I had to re-read it! lol. Lots of gibber gabber.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:11 pm |
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Ok, I try to rephrase that cause I was in a hurry...
I do not post to make my posts go up. Post do not count. I come here cause of I love Trek.
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Lord Borg
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:31 pm |
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I dont mind st vs sw post as much as ones like this and the die hard sw fans try and covince that they tinly little y fighter would win
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Founder
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:09 pm |
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| Cap. Proton wrote: | | The way how I do is more normal then u, why sould I only cound the facts? |
What? The way you post is more normal than me? Ok...
| Cap. Proton wrote: | | I dunno, so Founder and me can fight? |
I'd agree with you, but I vote based off of who would really win. So if they pitted VOY against a ship that would lost to it, I'd pick VOY easily. I'm sure you would too. So no argument, but yeah we always seem to be on the opposite side of the argument.
"Y-wing, there's always a way...and I don't like the Defiant"-You.
If thats not proof, I don't know what is....
| Rbgirl wrote: | | But you forgot one thing Founder. It is not nice to talk about anybody at all. |
Well like I said, you shouldn't get offended by that post. Its really not mean at all. I even added a , apparently you guys did not pick up on it.
| Cap. Proton wrote: | | u also forget 1 thing Deb, Founder isn't nice at all |
When it comes to you? Nope. Nor will I ever be if you keep up these type of posts. 
| Chakotay1988 wrote: | | I think you guys are saying all this just to up your amount of posts |
Maybe...  *Watches his post count go higher*
| zero wrote: | Founder can be mean, But I still enjoy hearing what he has to say, only because I know he is informed about everything he debates. Wheather he is right or wrong.. It is still interesting...
off topic i know, but T left? And why? |
Ok thanks....I think. 
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Leo Wyatt
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:38 pm |
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Just because you put a does not give you the right to talk about people
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Founder
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:49 pm |
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Actually it does, because that signifies a joke.
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Theresa
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:10 pm |
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T is inactive right now. Not dead. And I still talk to people from here on MSN. How I found out about this loveliness...
| Quote: | | Don't be a Cap. Proton or Rbgirl. Thye make posts based off of denials. |
^This post isn't meant to put down Deb or Captain Proton in anyway. In the other topic, this is how they were posting.
You both told Andy you found it offensive. He clarified that it was only meant to be a joke. We really should have moved on from there. It really wasn't a personal attack, merely an observation.
And come on, Captain Proton, Defiant losing simply because you don't like it? What kind of reaction do you really expect?
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Cap. Proton
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| Theresa wrote: | T is inactive right now. Not dead. And I still talk to people from here on MSN. How I found out about this loveliness...
| Quote: | | Don't be a Cap. Proton or Rbgirl. Thye make posts based off of denials. |
^This post isn't meant to put down Deb or Captain Proton in anyway. In the other topic, this is how they were posting.
You both told Andy you found it offensive. He clarified that it was only meant to be a joke. We really should have moved on from there. It really wasn't a personal attack, merely an observation.
And come on, Captain Proton, Defiant losing simply because you don't like it? What kind of reaction do you really expect?
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1.-Defiant loses also if I did like them;
2.-Obsevation? Making other people think I suck at this!
3.-Thanks for your help.
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| Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:26 am |
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Just stop that "sort" of posts. I`m getting sick of you 2, Founder and Cap. Proton! You 2 are always fighting. I don`t want that. I respect you both, but try to respect each other to. And if ya don`t want to talk with each other, then DON`T react to the posts of the other person.
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Theresa
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| Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:22 pm |
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^Thanks, but the mods can handle things.
They disagree, so what? And Andy does have a point. "______ will win because I said so" That's not a valid reason, and that's all that's being asked, valid reasoning. So neither ship is real. There are detailed schematics of both. From that you form your opinion. Not, "I like Y wings better, so they will win". That's... lame.
And I still choose the Defiant.
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Founder
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You know what? I'm sick of people telling me to be quiet or stop arguing. Most of you are under the impression that I argue simply because I dislike Cap. Proton or because I'm "mean". I argue because of the ridiculous posts.
"Hhhhmmm. I hate the Defiant, so somehow that automatically makes the Y-Wing win."
Uh huh. I'm simply trying to root out posts like that. I find it annoying. I don't do it for no reason. Have I argued with ANYONE else about something out of WN? No. I remember I was in denial about the Defiant Vs. Soveriegn. I REFUSED to admit the Defiant would lose. Eventually people, instead of saying "Yuh huh! Defiant sucks!", they gave me PROOF. Eventually I admited that the Defiant would lose. Because its the TRUTH. If I had kept saying the Defiant would win, that would have gotten annoying really fast and been childish. Then again, maybe I shouldn't be doing that. I guess I should ignore posts like that and just offer my opinion....
(None of that was directed at you T. I appreciated the help actually. )
And I still choose the Defiant too.
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StarFury
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| Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:23 pm |
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The Defiant would win. Heck the Defiant would win even against a Squadron of Y-Wings
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| Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:10 pm |
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let's just say, one torpedo or phaser and the y-wing is history... the defiant would easily win.. the y-wing shields and weak and couldn't handle one blast of the defiant's weapons
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Sonic74205
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| Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:04 am |
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The defiant should be able to transport a vessel that small so whilst its in the transporter buffer it could beam it into space and leave it de-materialised. bye bye Y-Wing
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Cap. Proton
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| Cap. Proton wrote: | | u also forget 1 thing Deb, Founder isn't nice at all |
When it comes to you? Nope. Nor will I ever be if you keep up these type of posts. |
Hear who's saying 
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Lord Borg
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well its been kinda dead lately but for my arguement here is the Defian class Specs:
Type: Escort (Officially)
Commissioned: 2367-?
Production: 20 per year
Design and production facility:
Utopia Planitia Yards, Mars
Cochrane Yards, Alpha Centauri
Pendragon Yards, New Texas
Mass: 120,000 Tons
Crew: 50
Propulsion:
One Cochrane warp core feeding two warp nacelles; two subatomic unified energy impulse engines
Armament:
4 Class I rapid fire phaser pulse cannon
1 Type X Phaser bank
3 Pulse fire Quantum/Photon torpedo tubes (Stock: 100)
1 Probe / Photon torpedo launcher - equivalent to standard photon torpedo tube + 20 torpedoes
Defense Systems:
Auto modulated high capacity shield system,
Heavy Duranium / Tritanium double hull plus 20 cm Ablative armor,
High level Structural Integrity Field
Warp Capabilities:
Normal Cruise: Warp 6
Max Cruise: Warp 8.7
Max Rated: Warp 9.5 for twelve hours
Expected Hull Life: 80 Years
Refit Cycle:
Minor: 6 months
Standard: 1 year
Major: 5 years
Dimensions:
Length: 170 m
Beam: 100 m
Height: 20 m
Decks: 5 including nacelle sub decks
Shuttle Compliment:
2 Type 10 Shuttles
Deck Layout dont matter here, so I didn't include it. But such things as you saw I posted are weapons etc....
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Sonic74205
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| Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:47 am |
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It was actuall commissioned in 2369
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Theresa
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You people scare me. Really...
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Cap. Proton
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| Lord Borg wrote: | well its been kinda dead lately but for my arguement here is the Defian class Specs:
Type: Escort (Officially)
Commissioned: 2367-?
Production: 20 per year
Design and production facility:
Utopia Planitia Yards, Mars
Cochrane Yards, Alpha Centauri
Pendragon Yards, New Texas
Mass: 120,000 Tons
Crew: 50
Propulsion:
One Cochrane warp core feeding two warp nacelles; two subatomic unified energy impulse engines
Armament:
4 Class I rapid fire phaser pulse cannon
1 Type X Phaser bank
3 Pulse fire Quantum/Photon torpedo tubes (Stock: 100)
1 Probe / Photon torpedo launcher - equivalent to standard photon torpedo tube + 20 torpedoes
Defense Systems:
Auto modulated high capacity shield system,
Heavy Duranium / Tritanium double hull plus 20 cm Ablative armor,
High level Structural Integrity Field
Warp Capabilities:
Normal Cruise: Warp 6
Max Cruise: Warp 8.7
Max Rated: Warp 9.5 for twelve hours
Expected Hull Life: 80 Years
Refit Cycle:
Minor: 6 months
Standard: 1 year
Major: 5 years
Dimensions:
Length: 170 m
Beam: 100 m
Height: 20 m
Decks: 5 including nacelle sub decks
Shuttle Compliment:
2 Type 10 Shuttles
Deck Layout dont matter here, so I didn't include it. But such things as you saw I posted are weapons etc.... |
what site do you get your info?
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| Chakotay1988 wrote: | | It was actuall commissioned in 2369 |
Offically, but it was started way earlier, but the test runs had problems, causeing a delay in production run.
I got my info from www.ussmiranda.com Most of these specs listed there for defiant class are true, ive seen them, I just dont like hunting all over the web for true specs bits at a time
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Sonic74205
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The ussmiranda site is actually really crap but yeah that stuff was right. and erm...anyone have the specs for a Y-Wing?
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