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HomerSimpson
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 Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:50 pm The Reason why Enterprise Failed |
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It came Waaaay too soon after
Star Trek:Voyager ended,,
It was OVERKILL,,,
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Leo Wyatt
Sweetest Angel
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| Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:39 am |
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Just bad writers that's all.
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CJ Cregg
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| Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:17 pm |
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Season 2 is what killed it. Episode after episode of crap
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jameskirk
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| Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:35 pm |
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Hi i'm new so be nice 
I have asked many people this question. Some of them say what yall have been saying that it was bad writers. ( this is hard to explain) Also they have said that many of the races THE BORG, THE KLINGONS ect./ that were introduced in other series were introduced to soon. For example, (I believe) the klingons were introduced in TSO, the borg in TNG. In my own oppion, one of the big turn offs was that (and i know that the staff can't do this) the first Enterprise should have been less advanced
Sorry to step your toes.
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Founder
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| Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:10 pm |
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Continuity. Thats what killed it. They were unable to keep up with it. Which is ridiculou considering there are many cannon sources out there with an entire timeline they could have gone off. They could have made episode not dealing with the timeline itself as long as it didin't interefere with the timeline. Then the Klingons were nice to the Humans, when First Contact between the two were clearly stated as going bad. The Borg appeared when they were clearly not supposed to. A lot of other inconsistencies the show produced was too much for fans. It got annoying and they ruined the Trek we all grew up with.
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Lt.Hood
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| Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:05 am |
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The writers just totally screwed up enterprise in every aspect, i didnt mind looking past the flaws they made just as long as they kept enterprise going, i was looking forward to seeing the entire series, now it wont happen. 
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Sonic74205
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| Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:30 am |
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No what everyone doesn't understand is that the Star Trek Universe has altered many times. Mostly because of Q. the reality we see in ENTERPRISE is the new past which was caused mostly by Q for introducing the borg to humans.
The reality enterprise is set in is not the past from TOS, TNG, DS9 & VOY but from ST: FC
Q prematurly introduced humans to the borg. Then the borg attacked. then they attacked again and went back intime and altered the past. and that altered past is what we are now seeing in enterprise.
when enterprise comes across the borg, they never find out that they are the borg. All they are, are some unknown species which they had one encounter with and from TNG we know that the federation did already have some idea about the Borg accept it was pure speculation
in enterprise they have done this alot and if you REALLY knwo your stuff and look deply into it then you will understand.
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Lt.Hood
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| Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:59 pm |
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Im not interested in understanding what happened, i just want it to run so we can all still watch it until something else comes out.
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Founder
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| Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:59 pm |
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| Chakotay1988 wrote: | No what everyone doesn't understand is that the Star Trek Universe has altered many times. Mostly because of Q. the reality we see in ENTERPRISE is the new past which was caused mostly by Q for introducing the borg to humans.
The reality enterprise is set in is not the past from TOS, TNG, DS9 & VOY but from ST: FC
Q prematurly introduced humans to the borg. Then the borg attacked. then they attacked again and went back intime and altered the past. and that altered past is what we are now seeing in enterprise.
when enterprise comes across the borg, they never find out that they are the borg. All they are, are some unknown species which they had one encounter with and from TNG we know that the federation did already have some idea about the Borg accept it was pure speculation
in enterprise they have done this alot and if you REALLY knwo your stuff and look deply into it then you will understand. |
Thats all ENT BS. They said that so they can try to explain their constant blunders. It didn't affect time that badly. Or the Continuim would not have allowed Q to do that.
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PrankishSmart
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| Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:53 am |
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One word: BORG.
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| Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:30 pm |
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| PrankishSmart wrote: | | One word: BORG. |
That would fall under my reason-continuity. 
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Lt.Hood
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| Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:23 pm |
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One thing that puzzled me though, picard goes back to the zephrane cochrane time and eliminates the borg threat goes back to the future, then after enterprise is launched they discover the borg again.Note:(in first contact) the queen borg didnt contact the 20th century borg to assist them because the deflector was knocked out by worf and picard.So(on enterprise) there is no way the borg could have discovered earth and landed because they didnt know nothing about the alpha quadrant or been there.
Then in TNG, the enterprise-d encounters the borg for the first time.
That is truely confusing..
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Thomas
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| Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:21 pm |
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It's supposed to be the Borg who went floating off with the Enterprise's deflector dish, isn't it?
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Lt.Hood
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| Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:14 pm |
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Yes the 24th century borg where blown off with the deflector dish by worf in (first contact)
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Thomas
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| Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:13 am |
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Yeah... those are the ones that are found in the North Pole. Not Borg drones contacted in the 21st century (which obviously never happened, as you said).
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Natira
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I have yet to find anything that draws me into this series. Every other one had something that made it seem like it could be real and had some kind of an impact on me. I just can't find it with this series.
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memyselfandI
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| Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:30 am |
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I think this is the most realistic series yet. Perhaps not the best, I don't know if I can say that, but definitely the one which I think we can most relate to. We're still dealing with problems between Humans on Earth. The technology is much closer to our time, and we're growing at an insanely fast rate. I think this is quite realistic.
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StarFury
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Yes it is quite realistic. Accept for the whole no shields thing. We have shield technology now but it's still in the experimental stages.
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NAVSPECWARCOM
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| Chakotay1988 wrote: | No what everyone doesn't understand is that the Star Trek Universe has altered many times. Mostly because of Q. the reality we see in ENTERPRISE is the new past which was caused mostly by Q for introducing the borg to humans.
The reality enterprise is set in is not the past from TOS, TNG, DS9 & VOY but from ST: FC
Q prematurly introduced humans to the borg. Then the borg attacked. then they attacked again and went back intime and altered the past. and that altered past is what we are now seeing in enterprise.
when enterprise comes across the borg, they never find out that they are the borg. All they are, are some unknown species which they had one encounter with and from TNG we know that the federation did already have some idea about the Borg accept it was pure speculation
in enterprise they have done this alot and if you REALLY knwo your stuff and look deply into it then you will understand. |
Give me a break 
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Lt.Hood
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| Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:31 am |
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| Chakotay1988 wrote: | No what everyone doesn't understand is that the Star Trek Universe has altered many times. Mostly because of Q. the reality we see in ENTERPRISE is the new past which was caused mostly by Q for introducing the borg to humans.
The reality enterprise is set in is not the past from TOS, TNG, DS9 & VOY but from ST: FC
Q prematurly introduced humans to the borg. Then the borg attacked. then they attacked again and went back intime and altered the past. and that altered past is what we are now seeing in enterprise.
when enterprise comes across the borg, they never find out that they are the borg. All they are, are some unknown species which they had one encounter with and from TNG we know that the federation did already have some idea about the Borg accept it was pure speculation
in enterprise they have done this alot and if you REALLY knwo your stuff and look deply into it then you will understand. |
That maybe true but Q didnt cause the borg to invade earth in the 22nd century during the archer era, and time wasnt altered when the borg were assimulating people near the north pole. It all comes down to a writer glitch during the zephrane cochrane era when the enterprise -e and the borg showed up, it not only altered history but gave the Q's and picards first contact with the borg a punch in the eye..someone goofed up.
How can 3 borg appearances not be noticed on earth and no defensive measure be taken especially when everyone is being assimulated or killed.And only 1 first contact from Q's perspective.Altering history never did effect 2 of those time periods and Q wouldnt alter it , he was to busy testing picard and humanity.
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Sonic74205
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No you don't understand. Time doesn't flow in a straight line. Humans werent supposed to come across the borg for along time. BUT Q was sort of a renegade at that time and even got kicked out of the continum for a time because of all of his actions.
Because the borg encountered Humans in 2365 it made them want more of this technology. Then they tryed to assimilate earth and they failed. Then they tryed again in 2373. But that failed so they turned to plan B. then Picard and his crew stopped them and the borg that were on the deflector dish crashed on earth. then they were discovered and brought back to life where they assimilated people and an earth ship.
No one found out that they were called the borg and eventually the ship was destroyed along with all of the drones. So they never made it back to the collective so the borg still have no knowledge of this encounter but a signal was sent to the Delta quadrant but it would still take a while for it to get to borg space.
This timeline is not completely the timeline we see in TOS, TNG, DS9 & VOY. It has been slightly altered but not that much. So slight differences would crop up in the timeline for time to time.
Yes there probably would still be Picard and the USS enterprise-D etc etc. and those encounters with the borg later on might still be the same. Anyhow they most likely wouldn't look back at records that far back in earths history about the borg. I mean okay. It's 2365 and the borg are attacking wolf 359. So you would just go and search through the computer for mention of aliens back in the late 21st century would you? I mean they would have better things to do.
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madlilnerd
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That episode of DS9, Trials and Tribblilations, made it harder for the timeline to come together as the Klingons looked different and Worf said something bad happened in their past to chane their appearences.
They shouldn't have had the borg, Suleban or genetic mutants. The characters weren't as developed and deep as the ones in Voyager, I thought they were quite one level and boring.
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| Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:23 pm |
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What aliens were "deep" on VOY?
Also C1998 I understand what you are trying to say. But the thing is, the fans don't want to watch an altered universe. You have to admit that the explanation you provided was one made by the producers of the show to explain the fact they messed up. The show is NOT bad, but we don't want to watch that. We want to watch first contacts between species we KNOW. We want it to be right. We want to see the Klingons fight against the Federation. Not rehash the Borg and the Ferengi. People like the Vulcan episodes. Why? because it gave an insight into something that should have been there. Thats why I'm glad to know the show is just a hologram. Something that didn't exist. I'm praying that it wasn't factual history they were watching either. The actors were good, the graphics were good, but the story was HEAVILY flawed. Its time to put it out of its misery. Sorry....
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Sonic74205
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| Founder wrote: | What aliens were "deep" on VOY?
Also C1998 I understand what you are trying to say. But the thing is, the fans don't want to watch an altered universe. You have to admit that the explanation you provided was one made by the producers of the show to explain the fact they messed up. The show is NOT bad, but we don't want to watch that. We want to watch first contacts between species we KNOW. We want it to be right. We want to see the Klingons fight against the Federation. Not rehash the Borg and the Ferengi. People like the Vulcan episodes. Why? because it gave an insight into something that should have been there. Thats why I'm glad to know the show is just a hologram. Something that didn't exist. I'm praying that it wasn't factual history they were watching either. The actors were good, the graphics were good, but the story was HEAVILY flawed. Its time to put it out of its misery. Sorry.... |
I agree with you. Thats what im saying. It's the story producers use to hide behind. I do think that the idea they're hiding behind is quite a good one but your right. Thats not what we want to see because that means that the far furture in enterprise is pretty much the same as we can see in TOs, TNG, DS9 & VOY but it is slightly different so it means that small things we know aren't correct anymore, and no we definately do not want to see that.
Also one thing with enterprise was that there was too much action in it IMHO. I mean yes i love space battles as much as the next Sci-Fi geek but i find that some of my all time favorite episodes in all of the star trek series have hardly/no action in it. They're mainly like fun character building things which i just can't get enough of.
As much as i like enterprise, it just doesn't have this. As far as i can remember there are about 3 sort of character building episodes but even then it's still just a large B arc for the story.
Madlilnerd, your right, i doesn't have the depth of the other series
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madlilnerd
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| chocho_11 wrote: | | Yeah... those are the ones that are found in the North Pole. Not Borg drones contacted in the 21st century (which obviously never happened, as you said). |
If they were found at the north pole, did they assymilate Santa? 
I did like the vulcan episodes, and as for my comments about charater depth, I was referring only to the crew of Enterprise, not to the crappy aliens.
If it's a holodeck program, they should be able to put Aliens in it. A few Facegrabbers would revive the show, and confuse millions of viewers
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