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| 4evajaneway wrote: | | Things in mexico are bad right now. And we though our unemployment problems were bad, we should take a look at mexico's. Thats why they want to come here, so they can provide for their families back home. I don't blame them, but we don't have all the resources in the world, and eventually we could be in a situation just as bad as theirs. If they're going to immigrate here, I have no problem with that. My problem is with them doing it illegally. |
Thats bull. Don't have all the resources in the world? Oh yeah, cause they take up all the good jobs. They'r sucking everything dry! 
| Angeldust wrote: | | A feeble attempt to make himself look good in the eyes of the American public. Great PR Bill. Good job. |
What? He has always felt this way about immigration since day one. This is nothing new. Can you please not talk about things you don't understand?
| Angeldust wrote: | | I disagree. I think that is the exact reason he is how he is today. He used to be extremely conservative to the point of hysteria, and now he is clearly moving closer to the center of the road. The reason? I believe it is ratings and an attempt to gain approval from conservative left wingers. |
He was never 'conservative to the point of hysteria". I watch his show and he used to be conservate and is now more moderate. But you're defenitly stretching the truth for your argument, which is wrong BTW. His ratings aren't dropping. His show is one of the most watched on FOX news. Conservative left wingers? What? That doesn't even exist. If it does, its rare. So why we would he break his back to gain a couple of viewers when he cna have all of the people that are "conservatives to the point of hysteria"?
| Angeldust wrote: | | Polls have always put most voters in the center of the road... there is a very small percentage of voters that are either far right or far left. Hence the appeal of seeming to be in the middle too. |
Not really. It used to be that everyone was kinda moderate. Ever since the Dem. lost in Flo. all those years ago, people have begun to stick to their sides fully. There are definitly a lot of moderate people too. But Bill would only serve to lose viewers if he did what you claim he is doing.
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | True, too bad we will never know his motives though.  Maybe he is just honestly changing his mind, but then again, you a good argument for ulterior motives that might be behind that. Either way, I don't watch him anymore because he gets on my nerves...always cutting people off when he doesn't like what they say . Tsk tsk, needs to learn some better manners IMO  . |
Thats not really a good argument. That person has many flaws in her argument.
You don't like him becuase he cuts people off? I love him for doing that. Its about time we(Repubs.) had a show that did that. All I ever see is these Dem. shows shutting them, cutting them off, or having the audiance boo, an all Dem. audiance they make sure to pick out, on their shows. Its about time we had a show to shut Dem.s up. MHO.
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| Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:31 pm |
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| Quote: | | Angeldust wrote: | | A feeble attempt to make himself look good in the eyes of the American public. Great PR Bill. Good job. |
What? He has always felt this way about immigration since day one. This is nothing new. Can you please not talk about things you don't understand? |
Actually, having been employed in the political arena, I do know what I am talking about. But in that case I was just trying to pick a fight with RM.
| Quote: | | He was never 'conservative to the point of hysteria". |
Perhaps a more zealous and colorful illustration than was necessary, but he was very conservative nonetheless.
| Quote: | | I watch his show and he used to be conservate and is now more moderate. |
The exact point I was making. He became moderate a.k.a the center of the road.
| Quote: | | But you're defenitly stretching the truth for your argument, which is wrong BTW. His ratings aren't dropping. |
I never said they were. An increase in ratings is always the goal of any show. Regardless of whether or not their ratings are healthy to begin with...
| Quote: | | His show is one of the most watched on FOX news. Conservative left wingers? What? That doesn't even exist. |
It does indeed. I was referring to Conservative Democrats. Which in my arena are referred to as Conservative Left Wingers...
| Quote: | | If it does, its rare. |
Not particularly. It is growing rather popular. Because the platform of both major political parties is so extreme it is becoming more frequent for voters to refer to themselves as moderates. Democrats call themselves Conservative Left Wingers and Republicans consider themselves more liberal...or moderate if you will.
| Quote: | | So why we would he break his back to gain a couple of viewers when he can have all of the people that are "conservatives to the point of hysteria"? |
Once again. In the business of politics more is always better. You draw from where you can.
| Quote: | | Angeldust wrote: | | Polls have always put most voters in the center of the road... there is a very small percentage of voters that are either far right or far left. Hence the appeal of seeming to be in the middle too. |
| Quote: | | But Bill would only serve to lose viewers if he did what you claim he is doing. |
But he is moving into moderate-ville. Which is something you already stated: | Quote: | | I watch his show and he used to be conservate and is now more moderate. |
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Do you see him losing viewers? No. He is gaining a larger audience. I just believe that he may have ulterior motives for his sudden shift in political stance.
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| Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:01 pm |
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| Angeldust wrote: | | Quote: | | Angeldust wrote: | | A feeble attempt to make himself look good in the eyes of the American public. Great PR Bill. Good job. |
What? He has always felt this way about immigration since day one. This is nothing new. Can you please not talk about things you don't understand? |
Actually, having been employed in the political arena, I do know what I am talking about. But in that case I was just trying to pick a fight with RM.
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Not allowed. Stick to debating the issues, not baiting the users.
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I meant that playfully. Sorry. 
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Is ok. It's just that some users have a history of reacting... violently? It can get ugly.
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| Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:10 pm |
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RM and I like to debate. I just call it picking a fight.
You know... you say tomato....I say...blah blah blah.
I should have worded that differently.
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| Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:11 pm |
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I don't understand then. You claim hes simply doing it to get more viewers. Something that isn't bad. So why did you even bring that up? Also he has ALWAYS felt this way about immigration, so its not new.
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It depends on what you consider bad, I suppose. Drawing people to you under false pretenses isn't exactly worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize....
And it wasn't my intent to bring it up... it was just part of the natural progression of the debate...
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| Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:28 pm |
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False pretenses? What is fals about what he said? I already told you that he never changed his stance on this topic.
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I was actually referring to what you were talking about... the fact that he has gained more viewers by moving to the center of the road....
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| Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:16 pm |
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| Angeldust wrote: | WOOHOO! I picked a fight!  *does happy dance*
| Quote: | | And if he did things for PR, he would be a lot different than he is today |
I disagree. I think that is the exact reason he is how he is today. He used to be extremely conservative to the point of hysteria, and now he is clearly moving closer to the center of the road. The reason? I believe it is ratings and an attempt to gain approval from conservative left wingers. |
No. He's NEVER been that conservative. And WHY do we have to suspect alterior motives, hmmm?
| Seven of Nine wrote: | | A party is always more extreme when in opposition... at least that's the experience over here (altough Labour could be accused of going the other way... ) Is that true over there? |
No, the Republican party is not extreme. The Democrats, however, have just been going farther left over the last few years...
| Founder wrote: | | 4evajaneway wrote: | | Things in mexico are bad right now. And we though our unemployment problems were bad, we should take a look at mexico's. Thats why they want to come here, so they can provide for their families back home. I don't blame them, but we don't have all the resources in the world, and eventually we could be in a situation just as bad as theirs. If they're going to immigrate here, I have no problem with that. My problem is with them doing it illegally. |
Thats bull. Don't have all the resources in the world? Oh yeah, cause they take up all the good jobs. They'r sucking everything dry!
| Angeldust wrote: | | A feeble attempt to make himself look good in the eyes of the American public. Great PR Bill. Good job. |
What? He has always felt this way about immigration since day one. This is nothing new. Can you please not talk about things you don't understand?
That's right.
| Angeldust wrote: | | I disagree. I think that is the exact reason he is how he is today. He used to be extremely conservative to the point of hysteria, and now he is clearly moving closer to the center of the road. The reason? I believe it is ratings and an attempt to gain approval from conservative left wingers. |
He was never 'conservative to the point of hysteria". I watch his show and he used to be conservate and is now more moderate. But you're defenitly stretching the truth for your argument, which is wrong BTW. His ratings aren't dropping. His show is one of the most watched on FOX news. Conservative left wingers? What? That doesn't even exist. If it does, its rare. So why we would he break his back to gain a couple of viewers when he cna have all of the people that are "conservatives to the point of hysteria"?
Sure, he was MORE conservative before, but he has NEVER been truly Conservative. I've watched his show for a few years now, and he has HARDLY BEEN CONSERVATIVE, and has NEVER been to a "conservative point of histaria." But you are right. And btw, it's not just FOX News. His show crushes all others in the ratings 
| Angeldust wrote: | | Polls have always put most voters in the center of the road... there is a very small percentage of voters that are either far right or far left. Hence the appeal of seeming to be in the middle too. |
Not really. It used to be that everyone was kinda moderate. Ever since the Dem. lost in Flo. all those years ago, people have begun to stick to their sides fully. There are definitly a lot of moderate people too. But Bill would only serve to lose viewers if he did what you claim he is doing.
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | True, too bad we will never know his motives though. Maybe he is just honestly changing his mind, but then again, you a good argument for ulterior motives that might be behind that. Either way, I don't watch him anymore because he gets on my nerves...always cutting people off when he doesn't like what they say . Tsk tsk, needs to learn some better manners IMO . |
Thats not really a good argument. That person has many flaws in her argument.
You don't like him becuase he cuts people off? I love him for doing that. Its about time we(Repubs.) had a show that did that. All I ever see is these Dem. shows shutting them, cutting them off, or having the audiance boo, an all Dem. audiance they make sure to pick out, on their shows. Its about time we had a show to shut Dem.s up. MHO. |
Bill RARELY cuts people off, and when he does, it is for GOOD REASON. It's the "No Spin Zone." Understand that.
| Angeldust wrote: | | Quote: | | Angeldust wrote: | | A feeble attempt to make himself look good in the eyes of the American public. Great PR Bill. Good job. |
What? He has always felt this way about immigration since day one. This is nothing new. Can you please not talk about things you don't understand? |
Actually, having been employed in the political arena, I do know what I am talking about. But in that case I was just trying to pick a fight with RM.
| Quote: | | He was never 'conservative to the point of hysteria". |
Perhaps a more zealous and colorful illustration than was necessary, but he was very conservative nonetheless.
No, he wasn't. You are just very Liberal.
| Quote: | | I watch his show and he used to be conservate and is now more moderate. |
The exact point I was making. He became moderate a.k.a the center of the road.
He's not a moderate. He's an independent, and has NEVER been that Conservative.
| Quote: | | But you're defenitly stretching the truth for your argument, which is wrong BTW. His ratings aren't dropping. |
I never said they were. An increase in ratings is always the goal of any show. Regardless of whether or not their ratings are healthy to begin with...
| Quote: | | His show is one of the most watched on FOX news. Conservative left wingers? What? That doesn't even exist. |
It does indeed. I was referring to Conservative Democrats. Which in my arena are referred to as Conservative Left Wingers...
| Quote: | | If it does, its rare. |
Not particularly. It is growing rather popular. Because the platform of both major political parties is so extreme it is becoming more frequent for voters to refer to themselves as moderates. Democrats call themselves Conservative Left Wingers and Republicans consider themselves more liberal...or moderate if you will.
What? Democrats aren't alling themselves "Conservative left wingers" and the Republican party is NOT conservative anymore. We need a NEW, more Conservative third party to actually bring us back to what we used to be.
| Quote: | | So why we would he break his back to gain a couple of viewers when he can have all of the people that are "conservatives to the point of hysteria"? |
Once again. In the business of politics more is always better. You draw from where you can.
| Quote: | | Angeldust wrote: | | Polls have always put most voters in the center of the road... there is a very small percentage of voters that are either far right or far left. Hence the appeal of seeming to be in the middle too. |
| Quote: | | But Bill would only serve to lose viewers if he did what you claim he is doing. |
But he is moving into moderate-ville. Which is something you already stated: | Quote: | | I watch his show and he used to be conservate and is now more moderate. |
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Do you see him losing viewers? No. He is gaining a larger audience. I just believe that he may have ulterior motives for his sudden shift in political stance. |
He is VERY INDEPENDENT, has been gaining more and more viewers, and has been MORE Conservative, but HARDLY.
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