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| Bill O'Reilly.com wrote: | A Petition to President George W. Bush
March 21, 2005
President George Bush
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500
Dear President Bush:
We the undersigned, being citizens of the United States, respectfully ask that you and your administration provide more resources to protecting the borders of the USA. By all accounts, the situation regarding undocumented alien crossings and illegal narcotics smuggling remains dangerous and troubling. In the post 9/11 era, our country simply cannot tolerate illegal immigration chaos.
Therefore we request, Mr. President, that you use your Executive Authority to immediately bolster border defenses by increasing the federal law enforcement presence and, possibly, by allocating the military to assist the Border Patrol and other federal agencies in charge of controlling the borders.
We submit our names with the appreciation of your consideration.
Sincerely,
Bill O'Reilly
New York, New York
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The people who allow illegal immigration to continue are the same people who profit from it, so asking them to stop it is a complete waste of time. Also, stopping immigrants at the border does no good without the ability to identify and remove them internally.
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | The people who allow illegal immigration to continue are the same people who profit from it, so asking them to stop it is a complete waste of time. Also, stopping immigrants at the border does no good without the ability to identify and remove them internally. |
Actually, it does FANTASTIC good. We prevent more from coming in, including terrorists, and then we can allow those here to receive the guest worker program. And it's not just ASKING them to stop, but ENFORCING the law through nearly any means necessary.
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RM, I still get the feeling from the way you talk about the GWP that you have a mistaken concept of how it would work. It worries me.
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| Zeke Zabertini wrote: | | RM, I still get the feeling from the way you talk about the GWP that you have a mistaken concept of how it would work. It worries me. |
Actually, YOU are the one with a mistaken concept on how it would work 
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| Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:33 pm |
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Okay, man, if you say so.
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We do not have the manpower or money to completely seal our borders. And people with falsified documents will still penetrate the border from time to time on planes, boats, etc. In order to make the "border" truly secure, we must find and remove those who get through the border.
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | We do not have the manpower or money to completely seal our borders. And people with falsified documents will still penetrate the border from time to time on planes, boats, etc. In order to make the "border" truly secure, we must find and remove those who get through the border. |
Actually, no. Funds can be deverted from unnecessary programs and the military, as they leave Iraq, could be placed on the border. And we could initiate my Operation Border Security. We HAVE to protect our borders. Doing it internally is simply impossible and wastes time.
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And what unnecessary programs would those be?
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| Theresa wrote: | | And what unnecessary programs would those be? |
I don't know. Programs that are hardly used. I'm sure we could come up with some. And maybe even the welfare system, to cut back on abuses.
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WELFARE?!?!?! Take it from someone ON welfare it is a necsity, and obviously you've never had to apply for it, so you wouldn't know how difficult it is to get.
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| 4evajaneway wrote: | | WELFARE?!?!?! Take it from someone ON welfare it is a necsity, and obviously you've never had to apply for it, so you wouldn't know how difficult it is to get. |
He's right. Welfare is abused horrendously.
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| 4evajaneway wrote: | | WELFARE?!?!?! Take it from someone ON welfare it is a necsity, and obviously you've never had to apply for it, so you wouldn't know how difficult it is to get. |
Oh, I could very well end up having to apply for it, and I feel for you. That's why I think that it should be cut to cut back on ABUSES. Obviously you don't abuse it, so yours shouldn't be cut. There should be investigations to acertain whether or not someone is abusing it, which SO MANY ARE.
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There have already been so many cutbacks its not funny....
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| 4evajaneway wrote: | | There have already been so many cutbacks its not funny.... |
I don't see it that way. We spend TOO much on it, and for abuses, too. What we should do is seek at those who are abusing it and cut them off from welfare. Then, we should give some of those benefits to those on it that deserve it, and take the other money and put it towards the security of this nation.
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So do something about it. Women getting pregnant so that they don't have to work is BS. And don't claim that it's not a wide spread problem. People would rather live off the state than work. That's not fair.
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| Theresa wrote: | | So do something about it. Women getting pregnant so that they don't have to work is BS. And don't claim that it's not a wide spread problem. People would rather live off the state than work. That's not fair. |
Exactly my point. It IS interesting, though, that you (not you, Theresa) are on welfare, and yet have Internet access...intriguing...
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So are you trying to tell me that because I have the privilage of internet access for $9 a month, I'm abusing welfare? well, let me tell you something, I live with my mom, my dad, my sick grandmother, and my little brother. My father is a heart paitent one of his pills is $247 per fill without it. His medications total up to well over $1000, my grandmother has alzheimers, her expnses add up, our house and bills add up pretty damn quick too. I don't have cable or statlite or anything fancy like that, I don't have a lot of things. But I know what its like to live with all those bills on only $300 a week from Jewel. I know what its like to have to go find a job and lie about your age so they'll hire you so you can help out your family. So don't you DARE question why I have internet access.
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| 4evajaneway wrote: | | So are you trying to tell me that because I have the privilage of internet access for $9 a month, I'm abusing welfare? well, let me tell you something, I live with my mom, my dad, my sick grandmother, and my little brother. My father is a heart paitent one of his pills is $247 per fill without it. His medications total up to well over $1000, my grandmother has alzheimers, her expnses add up, our house and bills add up pretty damn quick too. I don't have cable or statlite or anything fancy like that, I don't have a lot of things. But I know what its like to live with all those bills on only $300 a week from Jewel. I know what its like to have to go find a job and lie about your age so they'll hire you so you can help out your family. So don't you DARE question why I have internet access. |
No, THAT is not what I was implying, just that it's interesting. I apologize SINCERELY for saying that, I should not have. I understand your situation there, and I simpathize. I really do. I apologize, and you are one of the cases that DEFINITELY deserves welfare 
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sympathize*
And its okay, I'm used to that from people, but you should really watch what you say.
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Do the math. We have around 8000 miles of border, plus over 250 ports.
Also, study some security facts. No perimeter-only security system has ever proven effective.
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| Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:52 pm |
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First, I HAVE done the research.
Second: From the "How would you fix this country?" discussion:
| Republican_Man wrote: | | borgslayer wrote: | | The second thing there should be a very strong crackdown on Illegal Aliens in the United States. California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas should build a massive wall to stop illegal aliens from crossing into the United States. The Illegal Aliens now living here should all be deported back to Mexico. I believe that only the legal way of entering is to get a visa and green card which is the right way. |
I agree ALMOST entirely. I think that we should enact Operation Border Security. I will now quote my legislation for the STV Congress, and present to you my speech:
| Operation Border Security wrote: | Operation Border Security" to protect the United States Southern Border in a more effective manner
1. Whereas millions of illegal immigrants pass over our borders every year, and
2. Whereas immigration laws are broken daily, and
3. Whereas jobs from American citizens are taken, hence leaving fewer jobs
4. for Americans, and
5. Whereas our border patrol is unable to efficiently secure our border, and
6. Whereas our welfare system has expanded because of illegal immigration, and
7. Whereas hospitals have been forced to report bankruptcy, and
8. Whereas terrorists have crossed our borders and are easily able to do so,
9. Therefore be it resolved that the United States Federal government should implement dissolve the Guest Worker Program
10. and initiate Operation Border Security.
11. Section 1: At crucial points of entry, the government place a quarter mile
12. to half-mile wall consisting of relatively low cost yet strong material,
13. perhaps made of residue, depending on the specific situation.
14. Section 2: Walls would also be scattered in a ratio of one-quarter mile of
15. wall to every two miles of land. This would therefore result in limited points
16. of entry by illegal immigrants.
17. Section 3: Between each wall, an outpost of Border Patrolmen and/or
18. National Guardsmen will be posted, and the officials at each of these
19. outposts will fan out and stop illegal immigrants.
20. Section 4: Jetfighters or other airplanes as well as helicopters and
21. unmanned vehicles will be placed along the border and search each entry
22. point.
23. Section 5: In order to make this operation work, however, the Bush Guest Worker Proposal must be dissolved until the illegal immigrant entrance rate is at no more than 500 to 1000 per year, at the very most.
24. Therefore be it resolved that the United States Federal government should implement Operation Border Security.
Respectfully submitted,
Congressman James O'Reilly. |
However, I DO think that there are too many illegals to deport them. Perhaps once we have a SEVERE, SOLID crackdown on illegal immigration, we CAN allow the illegals to get guest worker abilities, but NOT until then. Now, my speech.
| Quote: | "I call this speech Desert Invasion: The Border Crisis.
September 11th, 2001: The most devastating attack on American soil occurred. Planes struck each World Trade Center Tower, collided with the Pentagon, and crashed in Pennsylvania. We had a looming threat on our hands that had lurked in the background of our country for decades, but until then was not truly realized: It was the threat of world-wide terrorism. In this time of desperate need for protection of the United States, we are faced with a massive crisis. This crisis is along our Southern Border. This crisis is the Desert Invasion--the Border Crisis.
8 to 12 million illegal aliens are now in the United States. That is what Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge testified to on December 9th, 2003--and that was before President Bush�s horrific immigration proposal. Senator John McCain of Arizona, a major border state being invaded, said, however, that about 4 million immigrants entered our country illegally in 2002--one year.
The US Border Patrol censors some of the statistics of this invasion and thusly the number of lawbreakers entering our sovereign nation is higher than official numbers. The Border Patrol has reported that only one fifth of illegal immigrants are apprehended, however field agents state the apprehensions are much, much lower, as stated by the website desertinvasion.us. Forbes magazine has stated that only 4% of alien invaders crossing in Texas are caught and then prosecuted--that's it.
The New York Times, a liberal newspaper, stated in a May article this year that 660,000 people were detained between October 1st 2003 and April 2004. Desertinvasion.us stated about this, quote, �Thus, 660,000 illegal aliens were apprehended over a six month period, or 1.2 million over an entire year. If, as the Border Patrol claims, that one in five are apprehended, 1.2 million x 5 = 6 million per year crossing the southern U.S. border, with 4.8 million avoiding apprehension and staying in the US. If only one in ten are apprehended, a total of 12 million illegals per year are crossing the southern U.S. Border, with 10.8 million avoiding apprehension and staying in the U.S.� That is a frightening statistic, but think about it: if 1.2 million were caught, and that�s only 1/5 of the illegals crossing over...well, you do the math.
A June article on VDARE.com entitled �It�s Official! Bush Betrayal Triggered Wave of Illegals� quotes official statistics from the Border Patrol: �The U.S. Border Patrol made 135,468 apprehensions along the southwest border during April 2004, an 80 percent increase when compared to April 2003.�
If so, then you must multiply that number by 12, for each month, and if you do so, then about 1,625,616 illegal immigrants are caught per year, and then if you multiply that statistic by five, because that is only 1/5 of the amount captured, the result is approximately 8.1 million illegal entries coming across the border per year. Come on, that�s a big problem.
Many other statistics show similar results. Of course these calculations assume consistency, but if accurate, these are frightening statistics. However, the said calculations do not include what are called OTMs, or Other Than Mexicans. Border Patrol spokesman Rob Daniels has stated, quote, �Since September 11th, we�re restricted in what we can say about OTMs because of national security.� Retired patrolman Stoddard said, �There are so many OTMs that there is now a special designation for those that might pose a threat. They call them SIAs, or Special Interest Aliens.� Another retired patrolman, Special Agent John Slagle, stated in his book Illegal Entries, that the Patrol releases low number figures. An actual former patrolman stated that. This is remarkably disturbing. Something must be done. Also, the population has skyrocketed because of this since 1970, and it is only projected to get bigger.
A horrible mistake. But that�s not the crux of the matter. The crux of the matter is the fact that this amnesty said this to possible immigrants: that they can brake our laws and be rewarded. Ridiculous. If I was a Mexican citizen--or a terrorist, for that matter--I would think, �Oh, yes! President Bush made a plan that will give me benefits! I�ll just sneak over the border and get everything I want! Yay!� Hence, what has happened? Illegal immigration skyrocketed. On February 19th, 2004, a FOX News article stated that 50 to 90% of illegal immigrants after the amnesty proposal was made came over to take advantage of it! And not just that, but aliens from other countries, such as Brazilians, Pakistanis, Chinese, and Chileans crossed out borders. That is why this bill must be stopped and our borders defended better. Official Border Patrol statistics even say that illegal immigration went up 190% from 2003 statistics. Now, let�s get to the bigger picture: On January 9th, 2004, President Bush announced an extremely foolish--quite incompetent--plan--a guest worker proposal--which in actuality is an amnesty for those who broke our laws. A horrible mistake. But that�s not the crux of the matter. The crux of the matter is the fact that this amnesty said this to possible immigrants: that they can brake our laws and be rewarded. Ridiculous. If I was a Mexican citizen--or a terrorist, for that matter--I would think, �Oh, yes! President Bush made a plan that will give me benefits! I�ll just sneak over the border and get everything I want! Yay!� Hence, what has happened? Illegal immigration skyrocketed. On February 19th, 2004, a FOX News article stated that 50 to 90% of illegal immigrants after the amnesty proposal was made came over to take advantage of it! And not just that, but aliens from other countries, such as Brazilians, Pakistanis, Chinese, and Chileans crossed out borders. That is why this bill must be stopped and our borders defended better. Official Border Patrol statistics even say that illegal immigration went up 190% from 2003 statistics.
However, we must consider all of the consequences of this situation. First of all, jobs are being ripped away from rightful citizens and those immigrants that have come here legally. That is wrong. Is this fair to those people who follow our laws and wait years to come to our great country? No, it is not. Second of all, is it fair that thousands upon thousands upon thousands of illegal immigrants are able to get welfare--and they broke are laws and aren't even legal citizens, and yet they get what legal citizens get! That is not fair. And they are able to use our hospitals, and because of this many have been closed down--they've been forced to report bankruptcy. That is not right!
However, what we must really be concerned about is the terrorist situation. With a relatively large amount of OTMs entering the country each month, it�s simple to assume that terrorists are coming through, which they have. And with the laxed border security, it would not be too hard for terrorists to smuggle in chemical, biological, or perhaps nuclear components into the country, which would be a dire scenario.
In fact, FOX News' Bill O'Reilly reported that a captured terrorist actually stated that Al Quada was working to move WMDs into the US via Mexico. That is frightening. However, there is little that can be done to stop it, because if literally tons and tons of Narrotics and bulks of Marijuana come through, what does that say that a WMD, such as a nuclear device, can't come through? If successful, America could be destroyed--from within. But that's if we do nothing about it.
This is why we must act now and dissolve President Bush's horrific plan for until the illegal immigrant entrance rate is no more than 500 per year. The Border Patrol, although its men have increased since September 11th and its technology has improved, can do little about this threat, and has done little. That is why we must act now. That is why I say soon, within the next three to four months, we should initiate Operation Border Security.
At crucial points of entry, the government would place a quarter to � mile wall consisting of material of a strong nature, yet relatively low cost and perhaps made of residue, depending on the circumstances so as to secure the borders better. Also, walls would be scattered in a ratio of one-quarter mile of wall to every two miles of land, which would therefore result in limited points of entry by illegal immigrants, so as to better secure our borders. In order to have agents on the field, each wall will have a small outpost consisting of Border Patrolman and/or National Guardsmen to stop the aliens from invading through the cracks, and to jail those that need to be jailed, as well as use the National Guardsmen techniques to better secure the border and to intimidate the immigrants. Section Four of the bill states that jetfighters, other airplanes, helicopters, and unmanned vehicles will be placed along the border and search each entry point. No, we will not use those resources to harm immigrants, unless deemed absolutely necessary, however it would primarily be an intimidation factor.
Once the border is blocked off, however, we can allow President Bush�s amnesty to happen, because few illegals would be able to enter through the southern border to take advantage of it, and we cannot deport the millions of lawbreakers.
But before we do that, we must take a stand. We must protect American jobs and money and citizenship rights. But paramount to all of those necessities, we must protect the United States of America, especially in this time of terrorism. I leave you with this quote: "Calling an illegal alien and undocumented immigrant is like calling a burglar an uninvited houseguest." Never have such true words been spoken. I urge you all to vote Yea on this Bill, for the safety of the United States of America." |
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The only reason people cross our borders illegally (besides smugglers) is that they know they won't be detected and deported once they get here. I'm not saying we should ignore the borders, I'm just saying it's not enough to only stop people from entering. I saw nothing in your proposal for doing this.
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | The only reason people cross our borders illegally (besides smugglers) is that they know they won't be detected and deported once they get here. I'm not saying we should ignore the borders, I'm just saying it's not enough to only stop people from entering. I saw nothing in your proposal for doing this. |
If this guest worker program is initiated, that won't even matter! No, it's because it's so easy for them to get in, that's why!
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I think no matter what you do, those who want in will find a way in. I think you would be better off finding a way to keep track of who enters and leaves the country, than trying to stop something that is going to be impossible to stop.
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