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 Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:14 pm who was the first borg? |
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I was wondering, who was the first borg and how did they come into existence and why did they choose the queen to be the queen?
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Lord Borg
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| Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:22 pm |
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I dont know this is a topic of debate. It is suguested that the fisrt borg was not the queen.
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sabertooth1217
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| Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:57 pm |
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Hmm, I would think that the queen was the first... How they were made may be because of Q?
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Leo Wyatt
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| Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:32 pm |
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I always wondered who made the Borg cause someone had to do it. Or something. Confusing.
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Lord Borg
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| Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:02 pm |
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Well, some pple thing it was along the lines of normal people with implants so convos like "The new 4.5 ocular implant is great" may have happend. But it got carriedaway and the borg happend. It said that the Queen was not the first but was a strong willed indivisual who brought the chaos to order (st first contact)
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lionhead
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| Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:23 am |
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oH, the queen was not the first Borg for sure, she wasm ade from the body of Species 125. Thats means that the borg had already encountered 125 species before they even had a Queen, perhaps.
Oh, oh, oh. Read my Story on the Fanfiction forum about the history of the borg! tHats my theory on who was the first.
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Kuro-chan
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| Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:14 pm |
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Not to throw a wrench into the gears, but as you said, that means they have "encountered" 125 other species, which does not mean any of them were assimilated.
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lionhead
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| Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:15 am |
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| Kuro-chan wrote: | | Not to throw a wrench into the gears, but as you said, that means they have "encountered" 125 other species, which does not mean any of them were assimilated. |
The Borg queen called them a Low class species so i gues now they are all Borg, inlcuding the queen herself.
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Tuvok8917
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| Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:14 am |
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Maybe Dr. Soong has made them. At the last episode with him in ENT, he said that he wanted to begin experiences with human androids. Maybe the project failed and the Borg was born. I think that he after that, made the android Data.
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lionhead
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| Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:21 pm |
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| Tuvok8917 wrote: | | Maybe Dr. Soong has made them. At the last episode with him in ENT, he said that he wanted to begin experiences with human androids. Maybe the project failed and the Borg was born. I think that he after that, made the android Data. |
Interesting tohught. Unfortunately The borg already existed before we even had Electricity.
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Lord Borg
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| Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:30 pm |
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I'm wondering if a borg was born becasue of some accident. like someone had all of thoese implants and was electracuted or somthing
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starnova
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| Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:08 pm |
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| Tuvok8917 wrote: | | Maybe Dr. Soong has made them. At the last episode with him in ENT, he said that he wanted to begin experiences with human androids. Maybe the project failed and the Borg was born. I think that he after that, made the android Data. |
they coundn't because if they we're then we would have seen them in the Alpha Quatdrat instead of delta
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missl
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| Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:46 pm |
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i thnk that it was the borg queen!
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Founder
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| Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:52 pm |
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| missl wrote: | | i thnk that it was the borg queen! |
Its not the Borg Queen. As someone else pointed out, she is of species 125. I think they aren't a species. I think the Borg "collective" is like one gigantic cyborg being. It probably started off as a small cyborg with the nano probe technology. Perhaps this cyborg wanted to seek out perfection. He found that when he assimilated a being, his thoughts would connect with him. So in his lust for perfection, he assimilated an entire species. Then he kept moving on and on and on and on. Maybe eventually the "cyborg" died or was killed, but his "collective" consicousness lives on. The queens are perhaps an embodiment of that mind? Who knows...
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lionhead
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| Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:44 am |
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| Founder wrote: | | missl wrote: | | i thnk that it was the borg queen! |
Its not the Borg Queen. As someone else pointed out, she is of species 125. I think they aren't a species. I think the Borg "collective" is like one gigantic cyborg being. It probably started off as a small cyborg with the nano probe technology. Perhaps this cyborg wanted to seek out perfection. He found that when he assimilated a being, his thoughts would connect with him. So in his lust for perfection, he assimilated an entire species. Then he kept moving on and on and on and on. Maybe eventually the "cyborg" died or was killed, but his "collective" consicousness lives on. The queens are perhaps an embodiment of that mind? Who knows... |
The queen is a representation for communication with other species outside the collective mind. Just like Locutus of Borg the Borg queen tlaks too another species to convince them they will be assimilated.
What d oyu mean with: "A small cyborg with the nanotechnology"?
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:48 am |
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It was a human guy named Phil. That's all we need to know 
In all seriousness, though, I think that it was a person in the Delta Quadrant, or group of people, who encountered a machine, and that machine made them part machine, and added some sort of neural net, and the Borg began.
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Leo Wyatt
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Yeah I often wondered that too RM. 
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Seven of Nine
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| Sat Mar 26, 2005 9:25 am |
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At this rate, we're going to be the Borg.
They're already talking about implanting computer chips in your brain... where will that lead?
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| Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:08 pm |
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Then again...it could have been the Borg Queen's species. Perhaps her species created the Borg and assimilated other cultures. Then after a while in a bid for perfection they assimilated themselves. They were the one hundred and twenty first species to be assimilated....hhhhmmm. 
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lionhead
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| Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:26 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Then again...it could have been the Borg Queen's species. Perhaps her species created the Borg and assimilated other cultures. Then after a while in a bid for perfection they assimilated themselves. They were the one hundred and twenty first species to be assimilated....hhhhmmm. |
Interesting thought, but not very logical. becuase then the question would remain why the Borg queen is not a standard Borg drone like osm many before her.
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Founder
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| Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:35 am |
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| lionhead wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | Then again...it could have been the Borg Queen's species. Perhaps her species created the Borg and assimilated other cultures. Then after a while in a bid for perfection they assimilated themselves. They were the one hundred and twenty first species to be assimilated....hhhhmmm. |
Interesting thought, but not very logical. becuase then the question would remain why the Borg queen is not a standard Borg drone like osm many before her. |
Well like I said, maybe her species was the creaters of the Borg. Thus making them the top drones.
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lionhead
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| Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:19 am |
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| Founder wrote: | | lionhead wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | Then again...it could have been the Borg Queen's species. Perhaps her species created the Borg and assimilated other cultures. Then after a while in a bid for perfection they assimilated themselves. They were the one hundred and twenty first species to be assimilated....hhhhmmm. |
Interesting thought, but not very logical. becuase then the question would remain why the Borg queen is not a standard Borg drone like osm many before her. |
Well like I said, maybe her species was the creaters of the Borg. Thus making them the top drones. |
She said in Star Trek: Voyager that her body was made from a mere Low class species, Species 125. So they are not the Top Drones.
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Thomas
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| Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:53 am |
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Yeah, and don't they number the species in the order that they... can't think or the right word... "discover" them? Species 8472 had a number but weren't assimilated, same with Humans, Vulcans, Klingons, etc. None of them had been completely assimilated.
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3 of 7
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| Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:00 am |
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It's a good question about who was the first Borg, and how they come to be. I guess we never know, but Lionhead's fanfic gives us a good idea.
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lionhead
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| Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:41 am |
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Thank you 3 of 7.  My fanfic is being loved
Got to write more, been busy though.
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