Pope: Gay marriage is 'evil'

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

<<< Me crying. That was hurtful

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Jeremy · **Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:01 pm**

Ok, get back on topic now!

Jemah · Lieutenant Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 209

gay marriage is prefectly fine!

trek4of9 · **Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:33 pm**

Well said Jemah! I agree! I think if two people are in love and want to get married, they should have a right to do so.

Hey, does anyone know if there's any place on this planet where gays can be married?

Jeff Miller · **Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:00 pm**

I think I heard in canada you can and maybe California the suppereme court voted to allow same sex marriage today I think.

Seven of Nine · **Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:12 pm**

Yippee! There is nothing wrong with gay marriage, and I certainly believe that that it's a biological "condition" (couldn't think of a better world, sorry). Since gayness is also observed in the animal world, why shouldn't it be considered natural? Remember, once we believed the world was flat

(In my opinion of course).

EDIT: No offence is intended by this post... I'm pretty hyper right now

Jemah · Lieutenant Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 209

because the bible says that good little boys and girls aren't gay. it's wrong to be gay. can't think for yourselves.. you have to be told what to think by some old ass book. hahaha!

that is the main reason right? and don't give me that sanctity *beep*..

webtaz99 · **Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:41 am**

snowcat · **Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:47 pm**

Well, if they got born naturally, then yes, its 'natural'

But I truly dont think that "natural" is the word you want to judge the world by, because what is natural? The things humans did when they were still hallf ape? So we should sit in trees still and never have started such an unnatural thing as..say...farming? And we should shun all down syndrome kids cause they aren't natural? They still get born!

Neither do you wnat to think about what is 'common" to do, as it is, in this world, fairly common to shoot each other through the head, or to procreate, and I'd really like to make my own decisions about these things, so thats not it either.

As for places on this world where gays can marry, or get some sort of 'partnership registration' (usually the same rights as marriage barring the rights of custody over children, some pension rights and inheritance rights) These are: Canada, Massachussets, The Netherlands, Denmark and Belgium. France is in a discussion about it now and in Switzerland things are also moving......

Slowly, slowly, but surely, we move to get all peopple the right to live a life in accordance to their wishes, and NOT be hampered in the pursuit of their happiness even though their pursuit harms nobody.

Republican_Man · **Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:40 pm**

FEW are naturally born gay, though.

Leo Wyatt · **Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:48 pm**

I don't believe that. Noone is born gay. People choose to live that way.

Republican_Man · **Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:50 pm**

Not entirely, Rb. There is this XY DNA chromosone principal thing, which actually can create people that have both male and female parts if the Y extends extremely to an X. If the Y goes a great amount to an X, the person could be born gay. Same with the X chromosone, only vice-versa. Although this is QUITE rare.

Leo Wyatt · **Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:52 pm**

Then again that is just science talking. Science is not always right.

Republican_Man · **Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:53 pm**

Well, somehow when someone has both male and female parts, you have to believe Science

But again, it is rare.

Raven_voy · Lieutenant Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 149

In 1993 the American researcher Dean Hamer published research that seemed to prove that homosexual orientation could be genetically transmitted to men on the x chromosome, which they get from their mothers. However when this study was duplicated it did not produce the same results. A follow-up study which Hamer collaborated on also failed to reinforce his earlier results. Most recently research published in April 1999 by George Rice and George Ebers of the Universty of Western Ontario has cast doubt on Hamer's theory. Rice and Ebers' research also tested the same region of the x chromosome in a larger sample of gay men, but failed to find the same 'marker' that Hamer's research had produced. Claims that the part of the brain known as the hypothalamus is influential in determining sexual orientation, have yet to be substantiated. At the moment it is generally thought that biological explanations of sexuality are insufficient to explain the diversity of human sexuality.

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

Raven_voy · Lieutenant Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 149

People are born gay. Whether they like it or not. Some ppl choose to deny it but that doesn't make them "not gay"! They can choose to live with a person of the other sex just to make things easier for said person. But that doesn't make them heterosexual. Those ppl are lying to others and to themselves.
Either one is gay or one isn't. Some ppl choose to live a lie, some ppl don't.

Monkey · **Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:43 pm**

Raven_voy · Lieutenant Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 149

Then there are some ppl who don't know that they are homosexuals...

PMC · **Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:28 pm**

^I am completely in agreement with Raven. When a person grows up in a society that hides gay people or says they are bad, how is that person supposed to realize and accept the fact that he or she is gay? The result is that people who are gay can't admit it to themselves and live in denial, in a relationship that is not the best for them (or most likely, for the person they are with), or alone.

If you don't like gay marriage, don't have one

but it should not be denied others just because it makes some people uncomfortable. If young people can grow up in a world where they can see people like themselves valued, and their relationships valued, it will be better for everyone.

Sazzy · Ensign Joined: 23 Dec 2004 Posts: 64 Location: UK

I agree with JanewayIsHott here - why on earth would anyone deliberately choose to be gay if they didn't have to be?

Talking from my own personal experience, I always knew that there was something different about me, that I didn't have the same feelings for boys or men as those around me. But to try and fit in, and also because being gay was (and is) so hidden and you didn't have many role models or portrayals of it in mainstream media, I went along with the whole - "I must have a boyfriend" thing. However, I knew the whole time that it wasn't right.

When I finally did see the light and admitted to myself that I was gay (thanks to a TV show no less that featured gay characters and introduced me to other gay people), it was like a weight had been lifted from my shoulders - like I could finally be who I was meant to be - who I was born to be.

snowcat · **Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:33 am**

^^^^ Exactly. AND one more thing, a thing that gets me extremely peeved:

Why oh why do so many heterosexuals think that they know how one turns gay (I mean, do they know how they themselves turned straight, then? Was it a conscious choice they once made, in their turn, to step in tune with the world and be straight?) and the fact they think that they know what gays feel, is not love, but perverseness.

Imagine me coming down the street and seeing an obviously in love straight couple. I stop to point at them and go: "THAT's not love, you perverts! Thats just reproductive instinct! Will you please take that instinctual, bestial behaviour outta my face?!!" (This has happened to me, while walking down the street with my then girlfriend. I changed the phrase a bit, of course)

Who am I to tell other people that their love is not a true love? Do I know what they feel, let alone how intensely that is?
Of course not.

Then why is it okay for straight people to question the feelings of gays, but is it not okay for gays to question what straight people feel?

No one can presume to know what I feel. No one can presume to know and understand the feelings I have for my girl, and the feelings she has for me. No one can fight our getting together unless one of us is not in this relationship with her consent.

I want to be able to live as I want to. I am a human, so I have human rights. On top of that I have my citzenships' rights. I have the obligation to stay within the laws my state issues as long as they do not interfere with these universal and national rights, and, I have the obligation to try to the best of my ability not to harm other people in their rights, or ways of life. I want these rights and obligations to be the same for everybody who is also human and a citizen of the same state I belong to. This should be a given for anybody, anybody, anybody, no matter what sex, color, creed or religion, in this world.

Raven_voy · Lieutenant Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 149

Well said, snowcat! *hugs*
Live and let live.