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| Yes, they should be legal. They are a good thing. |
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| No way! It's an evil act! Let the child live! What about ITS rights?! And what about morality?! |
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Seven of Nine
Sammie's Mammy
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Ahhh... thats why abortion is always going to be such a controversial topic, and why I completely disagree with abortion after a few weeks (about 8 or 9) unless there's a serious medical reason for it.
I think a lot of us are going to have to agree to disagree on abortion, but my personal feeling is that unless there is absolutely no chance of the baby having a decent quality of life or it would seriously harm/kill the mother late abortions (those after about 20 weeks I guess) should be completely outlawed. Babies have been known to live after being born at 22 weeks, although it is very unlikely, and they should be given the chance. The thought of partial birth abortions disgusts me... at that stage, I think you should just induce the labour and see what happens.
OK, the above probably makes no sense, but I'm feeling very hyper at the moment 
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Beta6
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| Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:25 pm |
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| Seven of Nine wrote: | Ahhh... thats why abortion is always going to be such a controversial topic, and why I completely disagree with abortion after a few weeks (about 8 or 9) unless there's a serious medical reason for it.
I think a lot of us are going to have to agree to disagree on abortion, but my personal feeling is that unless there is absolutely no chance of the baby having a decent quality of life or it would seriously harm/kill the mother late abortions (those after about 20 weeks I guess) should be completely outlawed. Babies have been known to live after being born at 22 weeks, although it is very unlikely, and they should be given the chance. The thought of partial birth abortions disgusts me... at that stage, I think you should just induce the labour and see what happens.
OK, the above probably makes no sense, but I'm feeling very hyper at the moment |
No I agree with you. The reason I'm for abortion is beacuse I know it would be best for the child... They would not have a decent quality of life. At least most wouldn't. Women who get them are mostly too young and irresponsable, or don't have enough money to make sure the child is taken care of. And also... I agree that after like 10 weeks There should not be an abortion, Because I feel that the baby is alive by then... And that would be sad to abort it, That is when I feel it is murder is when the child has already developed and what not.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:48 pm |
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Of course humans are animals (to some of the previous posts),  Our scientific kingdom is "animalia." What seperates humans from other animals is sentience.
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Seven of Nine
Sammie's Mammy
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| Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:52 pm |
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I think dolphins are more intelligent than us. They appear to be sentiant, yet can live in complete harmony with their environment. We can't
Most of you will disagree with me though
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Leo Wyatt
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A baby is alive even when a woman finds out she is pregnant cause it is God's precious gift and women chose to kill to suit their selfish needs when they can carry it to term and give it up to an home that will love the baby. There are alot of women who can not have babies and will do anything to have one.
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Seven of Nine
Sammie's Mammy
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| Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:20 pm |
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So you think that even if it will kill both the mother AND the child, a woman shouldn't have an abortion?
(Sorry if that sounds like I'm having a go at you personally, I'm not, but I just want to figure out exactly what you mean by that.)
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Leo Wyatt
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You can go at me all u want cause i learned not take anybody here seriously. I was in life and death situation seven years ago and I told dr. save my son instead of me but we both pulled through it with the grace of god , thank you 
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Seven of Nine
Sammie's Mammy
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| Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:31 pm |
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Sorry, I wasn't
That doesn't really answer my question, but I won't persue it any further if you're not willing to answer
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Leo Wyatt
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I was not trying to be mean, I won't post in this topic too stressful
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Jemah
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| Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:19 pm |
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| Rbgirl wrote: | | You can go at me all u want cause i learned not take anybody here seriously. I was in life and death situation seven years ago and I told dr. save my son instead of me but we both pulled through it with the grace of god , thank you |
how nice for you.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:22 pm |
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| Monkey wrote: | A shadow cries out piercing the darkness that is void, a mind, a consciousness, such are the ways that are birth... from nothing there can be no life; how then can it be that two cells become a fetus yet life not be there?
For if life is not already there then it can not come, for there is no longer outside influence... How then is it that the fetus is expected to become life if not at conception? My thoughts find themselves back to a young lady of whose acquaintance I have been honored with... Young miss Hannah amongst my dearest of friends... Was born deathly premature, her time had not yet come to be born... Yet still she had life in her veins... Was she not alive? Did she not have the same rights that you did? Why is it that the time of three months determines the value of ones person? Why is her life any less than that of one whose body simply grew longer? Whomever dares to question her life or her right to live... Shall have my eternal hatred, for there is no redemption for those who challenge her... |
Very elequently spoken, and true.
| Beta6 wrote: | | Seven of Nine wrote: | Ahhh... thats why abortion is always going to be such a controversial topic, and why I completely disagree with abortion after a few weeks (about 8 or 9) unless there's a serious medical reason for it.
I think a lot of us are going to have to agree to disagree on abortion, but my personal feeling is that unless there is absolutely no chance of the baby having a decent quality of life or it would seriously harm/kill the mother late abortions (those after about 20 weeks I guess) should be completely outlawed. Babies have been known to live after being born at 22 weeks, although it is very unlikely, and they should be given the chance. The thought of partial birth abortions disgusts me... at that stage, I think you should just induce the labour and see what happens.
OK, the above probably makes no sense, but I'm feeling very hyper at the moment |
No I agree with you. The reason I'm for abortion is beacuse I know it would be best for the child... They would not have a decent quality of life. At least most wouldn't. Women who get them are mostly too young and irresponsable, or don't have enough money to make sure the child is taken care of. And also... I agree that after like 10 weeks There should not be an abortion, Because I feel that the baby is alive by then... And that would be sad to abort it, That is when I feel it is murder is when the child has already developed and what not. |
WHAT! So no life at all is a better life for the child? Why can't it go up for ADOPTION (now there's a thought!) to a family that really wants a child and can give him/her a great home with a loving family.
And Jemah, what the HECK is that comment supposed to be about? That was cold.
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Jemah
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Monkey wrote: | A shadow cries out piercing the darkness that is void, a mind, a consciousness, such are the ways that are birth... from nothing there can be no life; how then can it be that two cells become a fetus yet life not be there?
For if life is not already there then it can not come, for there is no longer outside influence... How then is it that the fetus is expected to become life if not at conception? My thoughts find themselves back to a young lady of whose acquaintance I have been honored with... Young miss Hannah amongst my dearest of friends... Was born deathly premature, her time had not yet come to be born... Yet still she had life in her veins... Was she not alive? Did she not have the same rights that you did? Why is it that the time of three months determines the value of ones person? Why is her life any less than that of one whose body simply grew longer? Whomever dares to question her life or her right to live... Shall have my eternal hatred, for there is no redemption for those who challenge her... |
Very elequently spoken, and true.
| Beta6 wrote: | | Seven of Nine wrote: | Ahhh... thats why abortion is always going to be such a controversial topic, and why I completely disagree with abortion after a few weeks (about 8 or 9) unless there's a serious medical reason for it.
I think a lot of us are going to have to agree to disagree on abortion, but my personal feeling is that unless there is absolutely no chance of the baby having a decent quality of life or it would seriously harm/kill the mother late abortions (those after about 20 weeks I guess) should be completely outlawed. Babies have been known to live after being born at 22 weeks, although it is very unlikely, and they should be given the chance. The thought of partial birth abortions disgusts me... at that stage, I think you should just induce the labour and see what happens.
OK, the above probably makes no sense, but I'm feeling very hyper at the moment |
No I agree with you. The reason I'm for abortion is beacuse I know it would be best for the child... They would not have a decent quality of life. At least most wouldn't. Women who get them are mostly too young and irresponsable, or don't have enough money to make sure the child is taken care of. And also... I agree that after like 10 weeks There should not be an abortion, Because I feel that the baby is alive by then... And that would be sad to abort it, That is when I feel it is murder is when the child has already developed and what not. |
WHAT! So no life at all is a better life for the child? Why can't it go up for ADOPTION (now there's a thought!) to a family that really wants a child and can give him/her a great home with a loving family.
And Jemah, what the HECK is that comment supposed to be about? That was cold. |
yeah whatever.
the grace of god, otherwise known as luck won't always work. how can you decide just based on your own one time experience whether other women should be allowed to abort or not.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:28 pm |
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| Jemah wrote: | yeah whatever.
the grace of god, otherwise known as luck won't always work. how can you decide just based on your own one time experience whether other women should be allowed to abort or not. |
Because she had that experience. She has every right to say her opinion. She should be honored for her choice, not criticized for doing it/telling other people to do it.
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Jemah
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| Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:37 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Jemah wrote: | yeah whatever.
the grace of god, otherwise known as luck won't always work. how can you decide just based on your own one time experience whether other women should be allowed to abort or not. |
Because she had that experience. She has every right to say her opinion. She should be honored for her choice, not criticized for doing it/telling other people to do it. |
yeah whatever.
and yes, voice your opinion.. unless it's upsetting or blunt.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:40 pm |
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| Jemah wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Jemah wrote: | yeah whatever.
the grace of god, otherwise known as luck won't always work. how can you decide just based on your own one time experience whether other women should be allowed to abort or not. |
Because she had that experience. She has every right to say her opinion. She should be honored for her choice, not criticized for doing it/telling other people to do it. |
yeah whatever.
and yes, voice your opinion.. unless it's upsetting or blunt. |
What? I don't see anyone on my side saying that others shouldn't express their views, but if you're saying that what Rb and I are saying is of those two things, then that's just poopers ()
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Jemah
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Jemah wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Jemah wrote: | yeah whatever.
the grace of god, otherwise known as luck won't always work. how can you decide just based on your own one time experience whether other women should be allowed to abort or not. |
Because she had that experience. She has every right to say her opinion. She should be honored for her choice, not criticized for doing it/telling other people to do it. |
yeah whatever.
and yes, voice your opinion.. unless it's upsetting or blunt. |
What? I don't see anyone on my side saying that others shouldn't express their views, but if you're saying that what Rb and I are saying is of those two things, then that's just poopers () |
i was referring to myself.
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Jemah
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Jemah wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Jemah wrote: | yeah whatever.
the grace of god, otherwise known as luck won't always work. how can you decide just based on your own one time experience whether other women should be allowed to abort or not. |
Because she had that experience. She has every right to say her opinion. She should be honored for her choice, not criticized for doing it/telling other people to do it. |
yeah whatever.
and yes, voice your opinion.. unless it's upsetting or blunt. |
What? I don't see anyone on my side saying that others shouldn't express their views, but if you're saying that what Rb and I are saying is of those two things, then that's just poopers () |
i was referring to myself. you're familliar with sarcasm?
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Beta6
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| Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:41 pm |
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Oh Jemah... I have learned to kinda Ignore what R_M says. Obviously you and I are the only two in here who agree with eachother. Hey, You and I should be like the episode "the void" form an alliance! jk! I'm joking people.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:07 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: |
What? I don't see anyone on my side saying that others shouldn't express their views, |
no, you just simply call them murderers.
while yes, Rb, you're prediciment seven years ago is not uncommon, There are hundreds of babies consieved and carried that have complecations everday. Rb was a lucky one, the usual outcome from trying to have the baby with complications is it will kill both mother and child.
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Republican_Man
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: |
What? I don't see anyone on my side saying that others shouldn't express their views, |
no, you just simply call them murderers.
while yes, Rb, you're prediciment seven years ago is not uncommon, There are hundreds of babies consieved and carried that have complecations everday. Rb was a lucky one, the usual outcome from trying to have the baby with complications is it will kill both mother and child. |
If I really think that those who commit to abortions are murderers (which they are), then that view should be allowed to be expressed, because there is backing to that. It is a life, and it is being killed without committing a crime--except being conceived.
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Lord Borg
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I dont know my view on this. It really all depends on the situation relly. If the fetus was just made and its proven that damage will come to one of them (mom or child) such as death then perhaps it should be an option
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Republican_Man wrote: |
If I really think that those who commit to abortions are murderers (which they are), then that view should be allowed to be expressed, because there is backing to that. It is a life, and it is being killed without committing a crime--except being conceived. |
so a woman/girl who was raped and doesn't want the child is a murderer? What about the woman/girl who was involved with incest, is she a murderer?
Also, isn't the womb part of a woman's body? There is no right that gives one being the right to live inside another. A fetus isn't life, it's potential life, therefore it doesn't have the rights other life has.
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LightningBoy
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | so a woman/girl who was raped and doesn't want the child is a murderer? |
Yes.
| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | What about the woman/girl who was involved with incest, is she a murderer? |
Yes.
| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | Also, isn't the womb part of a woman's body? There is no right that gives one being the right to live inside another. A fetus isn't life, it's potential life, therefore it doesn't have the rights other life has. |
So you're saying that a simple relocation constitutes a life? A third-trimester fetus is biologically no different than a newborn, only it's location differs.
Since you're being arbitrary at where it becomes a "life" I'm going to say that it's not alive until it moves out of its partens house. I mean, what gives it the right to mooch off of its parents. It's not an adult yet, it's a potential adult. If Mr. and Mrs. Doe are sick of their 10-year-old Billy Doe always eating their food, and making a mess of their home, then they can pull out the old power drill and vacuum cleaner, and perform a adolecent-abortion. Get real, you're condoning infanticide, you're supporing a buchery of innoent babies...
And no, nothing give anyone the right to live inside someone else, but ultimately, look who's responsible for them being there. (99% of the time) Rape and Incest are bad situations in every way, but ending an innocent life is murder, even if they were created by that bad situation.
Millions of couples are waiting to adopt a newborn. It would be a matter of days for any newborn to find a good home.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:39 am |
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Then those millions of couples can adopt one of the thousands of children in orphanages around the US.
Should they suffer?
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LightningBoy
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Suffer? Life isn't that bad, beleive it or not. In an orphanage you have a shot, be it you're at a disadvantage.
Let me ask you this; would you rather die or live on the street. I'd rather grow up on the street than never have that shot at all. At least then, you can choose for yourself whether or not you want to live.
Why so gung-ho about murder? I still want to know, would you like to have been one of the terminated? I don't care about what the people around you would think about it, would you like that?
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