| Do you agree with abortions? |
| Yes, they should be legal. They are a good thing. |
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11% |
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| Yes, but they aren't a "good thing." |
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11% |
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| No. |
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| No way! It's an evil act! Let the child live! What about ITS rights?! And what about morality?! |
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Beta6
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| Theresa wrote: | | Beta6 wrote: | | Theresa wrote: | ^A fetus does all those things,  Sooooo, it's life. |
uh-uhhhhh... we are talking about a tadpole here.. aren't we? How can a tadpole thingy move on it's own? It dosn't even have a brain yet... lungs or anything. Maybe once it gets into an older stage of it... but not when it is like 1 or 2 months. |
It's life. Who cares how basic the level? It's alive, but we feel we can kill it because it'll be an inconvenience. Lovely of us, really. |
I guess I should get on my hands and knees and pray everytime I step on a snail walking on sidewalks... Or, when I freak out cause there is a spider in the shower with me and I drown it! (I do feel bad about the snails btw!)
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Theresa
Lux Mihi Deus
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| Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:54 pm |
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^That's entirely different. I'm not one who believes that humans are part of the animal species, so.....
A snail isn't going to maybe someday change the world. But who knows what the murdered child could have done.
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LightningBoy
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| Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:10 pm |
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What don't you understand the sanctity of humanity?
A spider is a spider, a snail is a snail. Nothing more. Whereas a human is the foundation of the practical universe as we know it.
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Beta6
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| Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:26 pm |
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I'm a democrat, I'm very liberal! You ask me waht I don't understand... and I'm thinking the same things about you!
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LightningBoy
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| Fri Mar 11, 2005 4:54 pm |
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Human life > Other Life. It's not that complicated!
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Beta6
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| Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:06 pm |
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I'd honestly rather see a human get hit by a car than a dog or deer. I didn't mean for you to take me so serious about the snail thing. Lighten up dude.
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Theresa
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| Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:09 pm |
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| Beta6 wrote: | | I'd honestly rather see a human get hit by a car than a dog or deer. I didn't mean for you to take me so serious about the snail thing. Lighten up dude. |
Since I now know you value life so little... No point in replying to anything further.
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LightningBoy
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| Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:09 pm |
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You've got problems. Deer are vermin, Dogs are pets. Get a grip on reality, please.
Yes, I take MURDER very seriously.
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Beta6
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| Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:23 pm |
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ok well... deer probably not. But It kills me to see a poor dead dog. And besides... ppl shouldn't be so stupid to get in front of cars anyway! I mean yea it is sad, and terrible... but I somehow feel worse when I know it is a dog that got hit rather than a human.
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
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| Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:17 pm |
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| Beta6 wrote: | | LightningBoy wrote: | | Beta6 wrote: | | Anyway she had a miscarrage THANK GOD! |
That's not a good thing! That's terrible! My God, how can you say that. You sister shouldn't have gotten herself pregnant. And who had to pay for her idiocy? The baby she recklessly brought into the world.
Kids having sex, not good...
Education is the key to a good society, something we lack. You know that the New York public school's required health cirriculum does not include Abstinence as a form of birth control? |
I agree, she should not have been having sex! I don't think that is right either. But what are you going to do to stop it? Chain up ur kids like slaves? Not let them go out with their friends? It isn't just my sister, it is a lot of teenagers. I gave her $2,000 to help... her insurance covered most, and my mom helped with the rest... to answer your question. |
No. You tell them NO or they will get punished!
| Beta6 wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | LightningBoy wrote: | | Beta6 wrote: | | Anyway she had a miscarrage THANK GOD! |
That's not a good thing! That's terrible! My God, how can you say that. You sister shouldn't have gotten herself pregnant. And who had to pay for her idiocy? The baby she recklessly brought into the world.
Kids having sex, not good...
Education is the key to a good society, something we lack. You know that the New York public school's required health cirriculum does not include Abstinence as a form of birth control? |
She only encouraged it, too, you know  |
No, I did not encourage her, that was very rude, and made me pretty angry. You love to go and make all of these personal attacks, and It is getting a little annoying.. If you don't like my way of thinking... take your bible thumping self away from my comments or simply don't read them. You are not obeying theresa's rules by making attacks at me, after you said you understood them. so CHILL out dude, And no i did not encourage her. She is 16 years old... I feel that every 16 year old girl SHOULD be on birth control! I honestly do, so i arranged for her to be on it because I knew she was sexually active. I did not say.. Hey erica.. ur on b/c now, you can have sex now! No, I told her I was not happy at all, but I wanted to make sure she was protected if she were to have it again. As if this is any of your damn business anyway. |
Actually, you let her continue to have sex, so therefore you DID ENCOURAGE her.
| Theresa wrote: | | Actually, it's not that hard to let your children learn on their own to be responsible. Set limits, stick to them, and give freedoms, so that they know you trust them. And, OMG, talk to them. The more informed a person is, the better decisions they'll make. |
Right.
| Theresa wrote: | | Beta6 wrote: | | Theresa wrote: | | ^A fetus does all those things, Sooooo, it's life. |
uh-uhhhhh... we are talking about a tadpole here.. aren't we? How can a tadpole thingy move on it's own? It dosn't even have a brain yet... lungs or anything. Maybe once it gets into an older stage of it... but not when it is like 1 or 2 months. |
It's life. Who cares how basic the level? It's alive, but we feel we can kill it because it'll be an inconvenience. Lovely of us, really. |
EXACTLY. And remember, first life on Earth?
| LightningBoy wrote: | What don't you understand the sanctity of humanity?
A spider is a spider, a snail is a snail. Nothing more. Whereas a human is the foundation of the practical universe as we know it. |
Right.
| Beta6 wrote: | | I'd honestly rather see a human get hit by a car than a dog or deer. I didn't mean for you to take me so serious about the snail thing. Lighten up dude. |
What! That is *beep* outrageous! LIGHTEN UP! YOU should lighten up there!
| Theresa wrote: | | Beta6 wrote: | | I'd honestly rather see a human get hit by a car than a dog or deer. I didn't mean for you to take me so serious about the snail thing. Lighten up dude. |
Since I now know you value life so little... No point in replying to anything further. |
You know, you're right. Forget my last comment.
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Theresa
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| Sat Mar 12, 2005 1:48 am |
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Isn't it cute? Yeah, I thought so, too.
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Beta6
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| Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:02 am |
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No, I think it's kinda ugly....
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Theresa
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| Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:07 am |
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You would. White is the color of purity.
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Beta6
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| Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:09 am |
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well, (being 100% honest) Black is my fav color.
Go figure! go me!
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:18 am |
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| Beta6 wrote: | | No, I think it's kinda ugly.... |
[sarcasm]Oh, you do! I'm shocked![/sarcasm] No, I'm not, because apparently you have little value for life...
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Jeremy
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| Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:53 am |
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Please respect other people's opinions, even if they disagree with you.
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LightningBoy
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| Sat Mar 12, 2005 4:04 am |
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That rule generally only works to a degree. Respect does not surpass the sanctity of human life.
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Jeremy
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| Sat Mar 12, 2005 4:06 am |
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Maybe respect was the wrong word to use then, but you know what I meant.
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Five - seveN
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| Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:51 am |
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| LightningBoy wrote: | You've got problems. Deer are vermin, Dogs are pets. Get a grip on reality, please.
Yes, I take MURDER very seriously. |
Deer are vermin. Well, the word to describe the damage humans do has yet to be found out...
You should get a grip on reality, dude.
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Mar 12, 2005 4:31 pm |
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| Five - seveN wrote: | | LightningBoy wrote: | You've got problems. Deer are vermin, Dogs are pets. Get a grip on reality, please.
Yes, I take MURDER very seriously. |
Deer are vermin. Well, the word to describe the damage humans do has yet to be found out...
You should get a grip on reality, dude. |
Sorry, Jeremy. I will do better 
And no, deer are NOT vermin.
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LightningBoy
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Yes, Deer are vermin. 1.8 Billion dollars of damage to motor vehicles in New York state LAST YEAR alone; that, along with the billions of dollars in agricultural damage they do. This is a textbook example of vermin. What makes a deer any better than a rat? Is it just that they're pretty to look at? Is it the fact that they're bigger than most animals, like rats? Most people would consider a rat vermin, they carry disease, they cause monitary damage, and they infest our areas. Deer do the exact same things! They are a liability, and since hunting numbers have gone down, deer related injury and cost has gone up. Ask any corn farmer what they think of Deer.
As for "human damage". I see none. We made the world livable. If you want to be natural and live out in the elements, then fine. But as far as I can see, humans have made the world MUCH more livable than it EVER was before us. I like the comfortable areas we've created, I like our cities; I happen to think archetecture is a thing of beauty. Man made all of the world what awesome place it is, we've stopped the domination of man by nature. Don't like it? Try Amish, i'd buy a matress from you.
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Five - seveN
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| Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:24 am |
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I think we're going a bit off-topic here...
And I'm sorry to say that you are so proud of what humans did to Earth and its animals (including mankind itself), that I won't debate this with you any further. What you've just said is ridiculous. I have no other way to put it, sorry.
So, back on topic?
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:12 am |
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| Five - seveN wrote: | I think we're going a bit off-topic here...
And I'm sorry to say that you are so proud of what humans did to Earth and its animals (including mankind itself), that I won't debate this with you any further. What you've just said is ridiculous. I have no other way to put it, sorry.
So, back on topic? |
Some, like Theresa, don't consider mankind an animal, though 
And yes, agreed. Back on topic.
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LightningBoy
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| Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:26 am |
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| Five - seveN wrote: | I think we're going a bit off-topic here...
And I'm sorry to say that you are so proud of what humans did to Earth and its animals (including mankind itself), that I won't debate this with you any further. What you've just said is ridiculous. I have no other way to put it, sorry.
So, back on topic? |
So your argument is to simply say "You're ridiculous" then 'get bafck on topic'.
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Monkey
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| Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:41 am |
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A shadow cries out piercing the darkness that is void, a mind, a consciousness, such are the ways that are birth... from nothing there can be no life; how then can it be that two cells become a fetus yet life not be there?
For if life is not already there then it can not come, for there is no longer outside influence... How then is it that the fetus is expected to become life if not at conception? My thoughts find themselves back to a young lady of whose acquaintance I have been honored with... Young miss Hannah amongst my dearest of friends... Was born deathly premature, her time had not yet come to be born... Yet still she had life in her veins... Was she not alive? Did she not have the same rights that you did? Why is it that the time of three months determines the value of ones person? Why is her life any less than that of one whose body simply grew longer? Whomever dares to question her life or her right to live... Shall have my eternal hatred, for there is no redemption for those who challenge her...
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