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Beta6
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not in LA! everyone is gay here! That's what makes it so fun! hehe
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trek4of9
Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 04 Mar 2005
Posts: 92
Location: Florida, USA
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| Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:43 pm |
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Wha! That's soooooooooo not fair Beta6! I live in the south! Double wha!
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Jeremy
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Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
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| Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:49 am |
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I doubt whether all the major leaders of christianity didn't take some of the reasons into consideration that have been outlined here. How come the pope says that is it wrong? People have warped what the bible says, saying that it was based on the culture of the time. So it was unacceptable then, but now it is ok. The bible says that killing is wrong, but in a culture where there is canabalism is it wrong to kill people and eat them? It is part of their culture and so would be ok according to that logic.
People are also saying that we have to keep up with the times. One slight problem if you are christian, God doesn't change. Or do you believe that God had people write the bible and then decided to change it to suite people and so He could keep up?
As I said before, it is ok to dislike the action but like the people. And another thing people have said is that God is loving and accepting. Yes, He is, but he's also a God that can be angered and hates sin, according to the bible.
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Beta6
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| Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:06 pm |
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| trek4of9 wrote: | | Wha! That's soooooooooo not fair Beta6! I live in the south! Double wha! |
Yea, I can imagine living in the south and being gay ... what a bummer. I have a lot of fam back there, and man, they sure have NO love for gays and lesbians. But I do!!!
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seileasdar
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:03 am |
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| Jeremy wrote: | People have warped what the bible says, saying that it was based on the culture of the time. So it was unacceptable then, but now it is ok. The bible says that killing is wrong, but in a culture where there is canabalism is it wrong to kill people and eat them? It is part of their culture and so would be ok according to that logic.
People are also saying that we have to keep up with the times. One slight problem if you are christian, God doesn't change. Or do you believe that God had people write the bible and then decided to change it to suite people and so He could keep up?
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Jeremy, I assume that you mean me with your reference to having "warped what the bible says". I still stand to my point here. The bible is still around, okay, but you can't deny that it harks back from a time when living was different. And even our interpretation can't do anything else than be a child of our time. I just refer back to the witch hunts of Salem, which were profoundly based on the interpretation of the bible in those days. It was then okay to hunt and burn witches, and people might not have liked it, but it was okay, as it was based on the bible. Again, an interpretation of it during that time.
You also refer, before that, to cultures who have human sacrifices. For them, it was okay, cannibalism is a form of great worship for those cultures, as they eat parts of the human that are considered worthy. The heart of the warrior, the brain of the wise and old, the muscles of the young and fit. It is a ritual that should help them to include the desired character into the tribe.
Think back to old Mayan rituals: it was perfectly acceptable - even desirable for them - to sacrifice humans to pacify the gods, to make them receptabe for the needs of the people, to quench the thirst of the earth and yield good harvests. Their gods were powerful and needed human sacrifice not to turn their wrath on the whole community. Again, a religious interpretation of circumstances in their time which was acceptable as it was traded on.
Think of the religious wars that took place in recent times, think of the attacks of fundamentalist muslim- related groups. They do it because they are convinced that it is right to do. Again an interpretation. And I don't think I have to remind you that Islam and Christianity believe in the same god, do I?
God, after all, is a traditional and traded-through times construct that helps humanity come to grips with its embryonic understanding of the world and its wonders, their own morale and just awakened concept or morality - that what the western world has named spirituality.
The concept of a god works well for western culture, god is an entity that can be approached, it almost has a form and can be approached and involved in dialogue- but still, it is a concept that evolved with mankind. Other cultures have different concepts, different gods and different beliefs.
And it would be wrong to pitch a battle against those beliefs as they structure a world, too.
And not to be reprimanded to be totally off topic (though I replied to a post in this thread) I even include the recent comment from one of the worldly leaders of this religion that turns a god into a graspable human image:
He said that being gay is wrong, he based this belief on the bible. Which is his right to do, maybe even his duty to do, as he is the leader of Roman Catholic Christianity. But there have to be different interpretations of the bible which don't come to the conclusion that being gay is wrong. The bible seems to be one base on which western culture is based. It can be compared to the phenomena that occur in nature, they have to be interpreted and made sense of to be a guideline for the people and cultures. And only when those interpretations are not tolerated or accepted because the accepted own interpretation threatens to blind the view of others it turns out to be dangerous and tints the own judgement into something very scary and dangerous. The demonisation of other beliefs (such as eating your enemy in cannibalism or sacrificing humans to save society in Mayan culture) is the real threat in this world.
To blunty say it is wrong because of the hybris that is involved in assuming that one own's viewpoint is the only right one is the real danger.
Sorry for the long post.
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lionhead
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 10:44 am |
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Wow, i love long posts. I never read them but they always look impressive   .
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Jeremy
J's Guy
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Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 3:18 pm |
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Basically to keep my answer short, I never said it was wrong, although I believe it would be, but do you find it wrong?
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seileasdar
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 3:39 pm |
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Jeremy,
If you find it wrong, then that wil be your opinion. Fine.
I find it neither wrong nor right.
I find it wrong to judge assumptions that are based solely on current interpretations and world views that are prevalent for the moment or the time being. If you didn't mean to come across like that, then I misunderstood your post.
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Jeremy
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 3:40 pm |
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I didn't, I just said it was wrong IMO, and not that I would force this on anyone. Anyway, we best get back on topic, especially since I'm supposed to set an example,
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:27 pm |
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Jeremy is making excellent points. God's word does not change.
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Jemah
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:29 pm |
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god's word doesn't exist. 
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:31 pm |
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| Jemah wrote: | | god's word doesn't exist. |
To you it doesn't. But to us Christians, it does.
Now I once again end my posting unless I feel that I have to.
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Jemah
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:35 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Jemah wrote: | | god's word doesn't exist. |
To you it doesn't. But to us Christians, it does.
Now I once again end my posting unless I feel that I have to. |
well hah hah.
want a cookie?
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lionhead
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:01 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Jemah wrote: | | god's word doesn't exist. |
To you it doesn't. But to us Christians, it does.
Now I once again end my posting unless I feel that I have to. |
No, you don't understand. God's voice doesn't exist, not to you not to me not even to Founder. God doesn't exist so his voice isn't there eighter.
Man, that was a bad idea.
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Founder
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:03 pm |
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| lionhead wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Jemah wrote: | | god's word doesn't exist. |
To you it doesn't. But to us Christians, it does.
Now I once again end my posting unless I feel that I have to. |
No, you don't understand. God's voice doesn't exist, not to you not to me not even to Founder. God doesn't exist so his voice isn't there eighter.
Man, that was a bad idea. |
What? Not to me? Why the hell are you speaking for me? Heres a tip, DON'T. I don't share your views, so don't try and spread them to me. Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean I don't. You're right. Saying that was a bad idea.
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:04 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | lionhead wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Jemah wrote: | | god's word doesn't exist. |
To you it doesn't. But to us Christians, it does.
Now I once again end my posting unless I feel that I have to. |
No, you don't understand. God's voice doesn't exist, not to you not to me not even to Founder. God doesn't exist so his voice isn't there eighter.
Man, that was a bad idea. |
What? Not to me? Why the hell are you speaking for me? Heres a tip, DON'T. I don't share your views, so don't try and spread them to me. Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean I don't. You're right. Saying that was a bad idea. |
Agreed. That was HORRIBLY insulting. To us, God does exist! I just had Confession yesterday, for the 1st time in 4 years. That relieved me of many things, and it was helpful! God DOES exist, IMO, and so does his word!
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Jemah
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:10 pm |
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you're horribly insulting.
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Puck
The Texan
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:18 pm |
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| lionhead wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Jemah wrote: | | god's word doesn't exist. |
To you it doesn't. But to us Christians, it does.
Now I once again end my posting unless I feel that I have to. |
No, you don't understand. God's voice doesn't exist, not to you not to me not even to Founder. God doesn't exist so his voice isn't there eighter.
Man, that was a bad idea. |
Don't ever again tell me that I am under your views on God. RM tries to be PC somewhat about it and says that God does exist to us. Well let me tell you what I have to say: God does exist. <----see that, that is a period, end of story.
Did you like it when I told you that your veiws on God just now were wrong becuase he does exist? I doubt it. So don't ever tell me what my views on God are.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:20 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | lionhead wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Jemah wrote: | | god's word doesn't exist. |
To you it doesn't. But to us Christians, it does.
Now I once again end my posting unless I feel that I have to. |
No, you don't understand. God's voice doesn't exist, not to you not to me not even to Founder. God doesn't exist so his voice isn't there eighter.
Man, that was a bad idea. |
Don't ever again tell me that I am under your views on God. RM tries to be PC somewhat about it and says that God does exist to us. Well let me tell you what I have to say: God does exist. <----see that, that is a period, end of story.
Did you like it when I told you that your veiws on God just now were wrong becuase he does exist? I doubt it. So don't ever tell me what my views on God are. |
GO KEVIN! Right on! If this continues, I will sink to THEIR level and tell them that they are WRONG.
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Jemah
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:21 pm |
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oh i like it.. it was rather saucy!
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:22 pm |
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| Jemah wrote: | | oh i like it.. it was rather saucy! |
Saucy? LOL, You sound like Theresa Heinz Kerry
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Leo Wyatt
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:22 pm |
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I think people who does not know God like we do are blinded and do not want to deal with the truth.
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Jemah
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:24 pm |
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rbgirl, are you intoxicated? 
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Puck
The Texan
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:25 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Jemah wrote: | | oh i like it.. it was rather saucy! |
Saucy? LOL, You sound like Theresa Heinz Kerry |
LOL. Prolly is, just registered under some unknown alias .
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Leo Wyatt
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:25 pm |
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ummmmm no I am not. 
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