| Who is the biggest international threat to peace and security? |
| Al Qaeda |
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10% |
[ 4 ] |
| Iran |
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7% |
[ 3 ] |
| Syria |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| North Korea |
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23% |
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| Israel |
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0% |
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| Palestinians |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| The United States |
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48% |
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| The European Union |
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2% |
[ 1 ] |
| The United Nations |
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7% |
[ 3 ] |
| Libya |
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0% |
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Leo Wyatt
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America is not a threat. We are the good guys. People from other countries are just jealous of us, so they can just get over themselves. People from other countries are the only threat!!  
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^That's not exactly true, Deb. We have the potential to be a threat. We currently aren't, but we could be if we so chose.
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Jemah
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maybe in your opinion the united states is the good guy. you have to remember that everyone has their own perspective.
and i'm sorry but to say that other countries are the only threat is the most ignorant and paranoid thing i've ever read.  (no offense)
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| Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:30 pm |
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I think every nation in the World has the potential to be a threat to anyone.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:53 pm |
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| webtaz99 wrote: | Finally, some reasons!
| Seven of Nine wrote: | For me, the reason why I voted for the US is for a combination of things.
They are a superpower with a lot of nuclear weapons. If they wanted to, they could destroy the earth. This doesn't mean they are going to, but the possibilty is there.
Over the last 3 decades the US has steadily altered its nuclear arsenal to contain smaller, cleaner warheads. Ever hear of the neutron bomb? Of all the nuclear powers, the US is capable of waging the cleanest nuclear confilct.
They are definitely the biggest threat to the environment. They are responisble for 25% of the greenhouse gases released, and yet they won't join the Kyoto agreement to try and reduce them. If things like that continue, there isn't going to be a world for them to be a superpower of.
Did you know that India has refused to ban the use of flourocarbons in air conditioners and refridgerators? Do you now how many countries still use chemicals which the US has banned? The overall amount of pollution produced by the US has actually peaked and is beginning to come down. The Kyoto agreement is not our last and only hope.
They are making terrorism worse without meaning to. Unfortunately I don't think there is much they can do about this, but publically calling countries evil isn't going to help (I understand why, but I'm trying to think of things from another point of view).
I see what you are saying, but bringing stability and peace to the Middle East is hardly going to make terrorism worse, nor will killing or imprisoning terrorists, or blowing up their training facilities.
Capitalism is causing poverty in the rest of the world. Big corporations (the majority of them being in the US) are using cheap labour in third world countries to make their products. The result being is that those countries become reliant on those corporations and cannot get themselves out of poverty.
While I deplore the way US business has operated both domestically and abroad, I challenge you to show me a place where the encroachment of big business has not (over several years) improved the overall standard of living for the area.
The aid that is given by the US having too many conditions that are designed to make them reliant on the US. I know other rich countries do this as well, but the US as the biggest is the worst. For example, aid that is given for medicine can only be used to buy the very expensive American brand names, instead of buying generic medicine that would mean more people could be treated.
Yeah, the US shouldn't offer aid with strings attached. Maybe the US shouldn't offer aid at all.
Third world debt. Again, I know other countries are guilty of this, but again the US is the biggest. Too much of a country's GNP is spent on interest payments on depts, meaning the debt will never be repayed. The only way these countries can get out of poverty is if their debts are wiped out. The original loans they were given, along with any aid, has been paid many times over with the interest payments. Also, the conditions attached to the loans also hinder development (such as having to reduce spending on health).
The US has its own national debt. No one forced those countries to borrow money, or to get it from the US.
The human rights record. This is starting to get worse, not better. THe pentagon in 2002 (I think) redefined torture so that only torture that resulted in organ failure or death counted as torture. This is ridiculous. There have been reports of torture in many US led prisons, including Guantanamo Bay. However, it's now called coercive interrogation. This is unacceptable. The US does not agree with international law on human rights, and until it does so it is very hard to think of them as a civilised country.
Please.
It's the combination of factors that make the US the greatest threat to the world. However, there are things it can do to improve this. Just because they're a threat doesn't mean they are going to destroy the world, just they are capable of doing so. |
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Wow. Those are great points, Taz. Wish I could have made them   You are right.
On the Greenhouse gas thing, Bush, like me, does not see Global Warming as a grave threat, therefore he would not act on it, and he need not.
And on Guantamamo Bay. Please. These are TERRORISTS caught in battle. And we do NOT torture people. But sometimes coeorsive interrogation is necessary. We can't be all lovey-duvy to the terrorists..."Oh, Mr. Terrorist, please, please tell me where my sister is." Yeah, right
| Founder wrote: | | I think every nation in the World has the potential to be a threat to anyone. |
Yeah, that's true. But we ARE a force of good in the world. That is obvious.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:29 pm |
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But you know, saying that we shouldn't defend ourselves and build up our arms when we have many enemies that would do harm (and evil) to us, is just showing of the horrifying Liberal views that are in this country and abroad. But it's a typical Left-Wing Liberal view. (Not stereotyping there)
I don't see how WE are the enemy, and the threat. People with such Liberal viewpoints seem to think so, though.
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| Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:39 pm |
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| Quote: | | Did you know that India has refused to ban the use of flourocarbons in air conditioners and refridgerators? Do you now how many countries still use chemicals which the US has banned? The overall amount of pollution produced by the US has actually peaked and is beginning to come down. The Kyoto agreement is not our last and only hope. |
india should ban cfc's, no doubt.
the kyoto agreement.. hah. give me a break.
the pollution from the us is not coming down at all.. the united states is the biggest polluter of the atmosphere, land, and water on the face of the earth even though it's far from the most populated. waste is the united states' middle name.
| Quote: | | I see what you are saying, but bringing stability and peace to the Middle East is hardly going to make terrorism worse, nor will killing or imprisoning terrorists, or blowing up their training facilities. |
has the us brought peace and stability to the middle east? no. it's more dangerous now that before thanks to the united states military presence. they may have meant well, but it sure hasn't turned out as such.
| Quote: | | While I deplore the way US business has operated both domestically and abroad, I challenge you to show me a place where the encroachment of big business has not (over several years) improved the overall standard of living for the area. |
so you like a society with pronounced social classes? the wealthiest people in the united states make up about 1% of the population. partly because of big business. you like that? o_O
the american people are poor as individuals go. as a nation, it's rich but getting less because of uncontrolled spending on said war.
| Quote: | | Yeah, the US shouldn't offer aid with strings attached. Maybe the US shouldn't offer aid at all. |
what a philanthropist!
| Quote: | | The US has its own national debt. No one forced those countries to borrow money, or to get it from the US. |
actually, the us does more borrowing that any other country. the national debt is at an all time high.
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My point is that I think no one should build up arms. Defensive weaponry is a murky issue for me, however. Ideally of course I'd love militarism to be stopped in its tracks, but realistically I know that it's not going to happen. Truthfully, if I were to choose to whom i must give a nuclear weapon, I would choose the U.S. over North Korea.
Perhaps one of the reasons that people are saying the U.S. is a bigger threat than, say, North Korea or al-Qaeda is that the U.S. hasn't something like this in a while. The invasion of Iraq and increased . . . tension . . . of U.S. relationships is really disturbing a lot of people, and they are starting to ask serious questions. Unfortunately, the U.S. is not answering them--theyaren't asking the U.S. to submit meekly to the U.N. (if that happened though, we wouldn't complain ). What other countries are asking is for the U.S. to be more of a team player.
I understand that using the opposition of other countries to the U.S.' invasion of Iraq is not necessarily the best argument against the invasion. Often it is true that a minority (or country) must act against the wishes of the majority (of countries) in order to defend itself or set right a wrong, and I can see the reasoning of Iraqi war supporters in that sense. I'm not sure whether that is applicable in this situation, I have not been convinced of that by the evidence already presented.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:41 pm |
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You are misquoting. Those were statements by Taz, not me And Taz is right. Accept it
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | My point is that I think no one should build up arms. Defensive weaponry is a murky issue for me, however. Ideally of course I'd love militarism to be stopped in its tracks, but realistically I know that it's not going to happen. Truthfully, if I were to choose to whom i must give a nuclear weapon, I would choose the U.S. over North Korea.
Perhaps one of the reasons that people are saying the U.S. is a bigger threat than, say, North Korea or al-Qaeda is that the U.S. hasn't something like this in a while. The invasion of Iraq and increased . . . tension . . . of U.S. relationships is really disturbing a lot of people, and they are starting to ask serious questions. Unfortunately, the U.S. is not answering them--theyaren't asking the U.S. to submit meekly to the U.N. (if that happened though, we wouldn't complain ). What other countries are asking is for the U.S. to be more of a team player.
I understand that using the opposition of other countries to the U.S.' invasion of Iraq is not necessarily the best argument against the invasion. Often it is true that a minority (or country) must act against the wishes of the majority (of countries) in order to defend itself or set right a wrong, and I can see the reasoning of Iraqi war supporters in that sense. I'm not sure whether that is applicable in this situation, I have not been convinced of that by the evidence already presented. |
Give in to the terrorists, then. Just great. A typical Liberal viewpoint.
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Jemah
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gooood! why in bloody hell must i always screw my quoting up.. i'm sorry. xD
oh and RM, there are terrorists parked outside of your house! watch out!!!!!!!!!!!!
there really aren't as many "terrorists" as people are made to think.
in fact, did you know that under the patriot act, certain peace organizations are being labeled as terrorist groups? you can't have such a cut and dry way of looking at things or you're bound to be manipulated. same goes for me.
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Leo Wyatt
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We should never give the terrorist what they want. We be crazy if we did that. America is not threat please just in other countries and other people who are jealous and I believe this and not changing my mind.
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| Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:49 pm |
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| Jemah wrote: | | [quote=republican_man]Did you know that India has refused to ban the use of flourocarbons in air conditioners and refridgerators? Do you now how many countries still use chemicals which the US has banned? The overall amount of pollution produced by the US has actually peaked and is beginning to come down. The Kyoto agreement is not our last and only hope. |
india should ban cfc's, no doubt.
the kyoto agreement.. hah. give me a break.
the pollution from the us is not coming down at all.. the united states is the biggest polluter of the atmosphere, land, and water on the face of the earth.
[quote=republican_man]I see what you are saying, but bringing stability and peace to the Middle East is hardly going to make terrorism worse, nor will killing or imprisoning terrorists, or blowing up their training facilities. [/quote]
has the us brought peace and stability to the middle east? no. it's more dangerous now that before thanks to the united states military presence. they may have meant well, but it sure hasn't turned out as such.
[quote=republican_man]While I deplore the way US business has operated both domestically and abroad, I challenge you to show me a place where the encroachment of big business has not (over several years) improved the overall standard of living for the area.[/quote]
so you like a society with pronounced social classes? the wealthiest people in the united states make up about 1% of the population. partly because of big business. you like that? o_O
the american people are poor as individuals go. as a nation, it's rich but getting less because of uncontrolled spending on said war.
| Quote: | | Yeah, the US shouldn't offer aid with strings attached. Maybe the US shouldn't offer aid at all. |
what a philanthropist!
[quote=republican_man]The US has its own national debt. No one forced those countries to borrow money, or to get it from the US.[/quote]
actually, the us does more borrowing that any other country. the national debt is at an all time high.[/quote]
First off, I made those comments.
Second, I found this in 5 seconds on Google. It's just an example.
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03/07/2005
Report Shows Particle Pollution Decreasing
Levels of fine particle pollution in 2003 were the lowest since nationwide monitoring began in 1999, according to an EPA report. The improved air quality can be largely attributed to EPA's Acid Rain Program, along with other programs that reduced emissions that contribute to fine particle formation. The report, "The Particle Pollution Report: Current Understanding of Air Quality and Emissions through 2003," looks at recent and long-term trends in air quality and emissions, explores the characteristics of particle pollution in the United States, and takes a close look at particle pollution in 2003 (the most recent year for which data are available).
Major air quality improvement findings of the report:
* Particulate matter (PM), both for PM-2.5 and the larger PM-10, air quality has been improving nationwide.
* PM-2.5, or "fine particles," concentrations have decreased 10 percent since 1999 and are about 30 percent lower, according to EPA estimates, than 25 years ago.
* PM-10 concentrations were the second lowest since nationwide monitoring began in 1988, having declined 7 percent since 1999 and 31 percent since 1988.
* Monitored levels of both PM-2.5 and PM-10 generally decreased most in areas with high concentrations.
The report also shows that 67 million people still live in areas where particle pollution exceeds air quality standards. EPA is taking a number of steps to address particle pollution, including the requirement for states to attain the National Ambient Air Quality Standards for fine particles, which begins in 2008. In addition, the Clean Air Nonroad Diesel Rule and finalizing the proposed Clean Air Interstate Rule (CAIR) will help strengthen requirements to reduce PM emissions.
INFO: Contact EPA's Rita Vestal at 919-541-1836.{end copy}
Third, let's see how the Middle East is in ten years. Change takes time.
On US business, the first thing I said was that I deplore it. (That means I REALLY don't like it).
And I pointed out that the US has national debt.
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Jemah
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| Rbgirl wrote: | | We should never give the terrorist what they want. We be crazy if we did that. America is not threat please just in other countries and other people who are jealous and I believe this and not changing my mind. |
you're wrong (on one account at least). the united states has brought greater unrest to the middle east.. and that's putting it lightly. how can you say that's not a threat? and i'm not understanding the jealousy aspect of your argument.
elaborate a bit to make me comprehend what you're trying to say. sorry if i'm not picking up on something obvious. xD
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | Did you know that India has refused to ban the use of flourocarbons in air conditioners and refridgerators? Do you now how many countries still use chemicals which the US has banned? The overall amount of pollution produced by the US has actually peaked and is beginning to come down. The Kyoto agreement is not our last and only hope. |
india should ban cfc's, no doubt.
the kyoto agreement.. hah. give me a break.
the pollution from the us is not coming down at all.. the united states is the biggest polluter of the atmosphere, land, and water on the face of the earth.
[quote=republican_man]I see what you are saying, but bringing stability and peace to the Middle East is hardly going to make terrorism worse, nor will killing or imprisoning terrorists, or blowing up their training facilities. [/quote]
has the us brought peace and stability to the middle east? no. it's more dangerous now that before thanks to the united states military presence. they may have meant well, but it sure hasn't turned out as such.
[quote=republican_man]While I deplore the way US business has operated both domestically and abroad, I challenge you to show me a place where the encroachment of big business has not (over several years) improved the overall standard of living for the area.[/quote]
so you like a society with pronounced social classes? the wealthiest people in the united states make up about 1% of the population. partly because of big business. you like that? o_O
the american people are poor as individuals go. as a nation, it's rich but getting less because of uncontrolled spending on said war.
| Quote: | | Yeah, the US shouldn't offer aid with strings attached. Maybe the US shouldn't offer aid at all. |
what a philanthropist!
[quote=republican_man]The US has its own national debt. No one forced those countries to borrow money, or to get it from the US.[/quote]
actually, the us does more borrowing that any other country. the national debt is at an all time high.[/quote]
First off, I made those comments.
Second, I found this in 5 seconds on Google. It's just an example.
{copied from web page}
03/07/2005
Report Shows Particle Pollution Decreasing
Levels of fine particle pollution in 2003 were the lowest since nationwide monitoring began in 1999, according to an EPA report. The improved air quality can be largely attributed to EPA's Acid Rain Program, along with other programs that reduced emissions that contribute to fine particle formation. The report, "The Particle Pollution Report: Current Understanding of Air Quality and Emissions through 2003," looks at recent and long-term trends in air quality and emissions, explores the characteristics of particle pollution in the United States, and takes a close look at particle pollution in 2003 (the most recent year for which data are available).
Major air quality improvement findings of the report:
* Particulate matter (PM), both for PM-2.5 and the larger PM-10, air quality has been improving nationwide.
* PM-2.5, or "fine particles," concentrations have decreased 10 percent since 1999 and are about 30 percent lower, according to EPA estimates, than 25 years ago.
* PM-10 concentrations were the second lowest since nationwide monitoring began in 1988, having declined 7 percent since 1999 and 31 percent since 1988.
* Monitored levels of both PM-2.5 and PM-10 generally decreased most in areas with high concentrations.
The report also shows that 67 million people still live in areas where particle pollution exceeds air quality standards. EPA is taking a number of steps to address particle pollution, including the requirement for states to attain the National Ambient Air Quality Standards for fine particles, which begins in 2008. In addition, the Clean Air Nonroad Diesel Rule and finalizing the proposed Clean Air Interstate Rule (CAIR) will help strengthen requirements to reduce PM emissions.
INFO: Contact EPA's Rita Vestal at 919-541-1836.{end copy}
Third, let's see how the Middle East is in ten years. Change takes time.
On US business, the first thing I said was that I deplore it. (That means I REALLY don't like it).
And I pointed out that the US has national debt.[/quote]
umm.. yeah. i edited my post and explained my error in quoting.
i want to see the website. i'm sure those stats are biased.
manipulating stats isn't hard. give me two people to work with and i can come up with the craziest stats you've ever read.
post or PM me a link if you please.
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| Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:54 pm |
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That is your opinion. We done good to get rid of the evil terrorist and put saddam out of power to free the Iraqi people.
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yes, you done good alright. xD
how many thousands is the death toll at now? refresh my memory if you will be so kind.
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| Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:57 pm |
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As I said, I found this in 5 seconds. It is only one example.
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| Jemah wrote: | yes, you done good alright. xD
how many thousands is the death toll at now? refresh my memory if you will be so kind. |
Certainly less than Saddam's.
And as for death tolls, during the period of the occupation, more people died in the US as a result of drunk driving - just in Texas.
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absolutely stunning.
but it wasn't out of a murderous warlike intention.
... i despise war. it brings out the most animalistic aspects of human beings. when will the killing end? 
edit: oh and i looked at the website you provided. it's acceptable. xD i couldn't find any evidence of bias.. unless it's not obvious. hahaha! anyway, it's better now that many years ago, but the united states still leads the world in pollution.
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| Jemah wrote: |
absolutely stunning.
I'm not proud; I was just trying to put things in perspective.
but it wasn't out of a murderous warlike intention.
Do you believe that Bush would have tried to occupy Iraq, or that the American people would allow it, if 9/11 hadn't happened? THAT was murderous, warlike intention.
... i despise war. it brings out the most animalistic aspects of human beings. when will the killing end?
edit: oh and i looked at the website you provided. it's acceptable. xD i couldn't find any evidence of bias.. unless it's not obvious. hahaha! anyway, it's better now that many years ago, but the united states still leads the world in pollution.
If you study the facts, you will see that the total pollution emitted by the US has ceased increasing. That means it has peaked. Every country has gone or will go through a "pollution peak" in their development as their economy and level of technology grows. Luckily, the US has peaked. China, being aware of this trend, is trying to move its economy through this peak as quickly as possible.
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| Jemah wrote: | gooood! why in bloody hell must i always screw my quoting up.. i'm sorry. xD
oh and RM, there are terrorists parked outside of your house! watch out!!!!!!!!!!!!
there really aren't as many "terrorists" as people are made to think.
in fact, did you know that under the patriot act, certain peace organizations are being labeled as terrorist groups? you can't have such a cut and dry way of looking at things or you're bound to be manipulated. same goes for me. |
ONE is all I've heard. ONE.
| webtaz99 wrote: | | Jemah wrote: | | [quote=republican_man]Did you know that India has refused to ban the use of flourocarbons in air conditioners and refridgerators? Do you now how many countries still use chemicals which the US has banned? The overall amount of pollution produced by the US has actually peaked and is beginning to come down. The Kyoto agreement is not our last and only hope. |
india should ban cfc's, no doubt.
the kyoto agreement.. hah. give me a break.
the pollution from the us is not coming down at all.. the united states is the biggest polluter of the atmosphere, land, and water on the face of the earth.
[quote=republican_man]I see what you are saying, but bringing stability and peace to the Middle East is hardly going to make terrorism worse, nor will killing or imprisoning terrorists, or blowing up their training facilities. |
has the us brought peace and stability to the middle east? no. it's more dangerous now that before thanks to the united states military presence. they may have meant well, but it sure hasn't turned out as such.
[quote=republican_man]While I deplore the way US business has operated both domestically and abroad, I challenge you to show me a place where the encroachment of big business has not (over several years) improved the overall standard of living for the area.[/quote]
so you like a society with pronounced social classes? the wealthiest people in the united states make up about 1% of the population. partly because of big business. you like that? o_O
the american people are poor as individuals go. as a nation, it's rich but getting less because of uncontrolled spending on said war.
| Quote: | | Yeah, the US shouldn't offer aid with strings attached. Maybe the US shouldn't offer aid at all. |
what a philanthropist!
[quote=republican_man]The US has its own national debt. No one forced those countries to borrow money, or to get it from the US.[/quote]
actually, the us does more borrowing that any other country. the national debt is at an all time high.[/quote]
First off, I made those comments.
Second, I found this in 5 seconds on Google. It's just an example.
{copied from web page}
03/07/2005
Report Shows Particle Pollution Decreasing
Levels of fine particle pollution in 2003 were the lowest since nationwide monitoring began in 1999, according to an EPA report. The improved air quality can be largely attributed to EPA's Acid Rain Program, along with other programs that reduced emissions that contribute to fine particle formation. The report, "The Particle Pollution Report: Current Understanding of Air Quality and Emissions through 2003," looks at recent and long-term trends in air quality and emissions, explores the characteristics of particle pollution in the United States, and takes a close look at particle pollution in 2003 (the most recent year for which data are available).
Major air quality improvement findings of the report:
* Particulate matter (PM), both for PM-2.5 and the larger PM-10, air quality has been improving nationwide.
* PM-2.5, or "fine particles," concentrations have decreased 10 percent since 1999 and are about 30 percent lower, according to EPA estimates, than 25 years ago.
* PM-10 concentrations were the second lowest since nationwide monitoring began in 1988, having declined 7 percent since 1999 and 31 percent since 1988.
* Monitored levels of both PM-2.5 and PM-10 generally decreased most in areas with high concentrations.
The report also shows that 67 million people still live in areas where particle pollution exceeds air quality standards. EPA is taking a number of steps to address particle pollution, including the requirement for states to attain the National Ambient Air Quality Standards for fine particles, which begins in 2008. In addition, the Clean Air Nonroad Diesel Rule and finalizing the proposed Clean Air Interstate Rule (CAIR) will help strengthen requirements to reduce PM emissions.
INFO: Contact EPA's Rita Vestal at 919-541-1836.{end copy}
Third, let's see how the Middle East is in ten years. Change takes time.
On US business, the first thing I said was that I deplore it. (That means I REALLY don't like it).
And I pointed out that the US has national debt.[/quote]
Awesome points. Soooo true, especially about the Global Warming stuff.
| Jemah wrote: | | Rbgirl wrote: | | We should never give the terrorist what they want. We be crazy if we did that. America is not threat please just in other countries and other people who are jealous and I believe this and not changing my mind. |
you're wrong (on one account at least). the united states has brought greater unrest to the middle east.. and that's putting it lightly. how can you say that's not a threat? and i'm not understanding the jealousy aspect of your argument.
elaborate a bit to make me comprehend what you're trying to say. sorry if i'm not picking up on something obvious. xD |
HOW is it a threat? We are bringing PEACE and DEMOCRACY to the Middle East. Things are getting BETTER, don't you see that there? And yes, there is great unrest since the war began, but that's expected in reactions within the region.
| webtaz99 wrote: | | Jemah wrote: | yes, you done good alright. xD
how many thousands is the death toll at now? refresh my memory if you will be so kind. |
Certainly less than Saddam's.
And as for death tolls, during the period of the occupation, more people died in the US as a result of drunk driving - just in Texas. |
EXACTLY. Saddam killed HUNDREDS of thousands of people. And Bush's policies CLEARLY ARE working.
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absolutely stunning.
I'm not proud; I was just trying to put things in perspective.
but it wasn't out of a murderous warlike intention.
Do you believe that Bush would have tried to occupy Iraq, or that the American people would allow it, if 9/11 hadn't happened? THAT was murderous, warlike intention.
... i despise war. it brings out the most animalistic aspects of human beings. when will the killing end?
edit: oh and i looked at the website you provided. it's acceptable. xD i couldn't find any evidence of bias.. unless it's not obvious. hahaha! anyway, it's better now that many years ago, but the united states still leads the world in pollution.
If you study the facts, you will see that the total pollution emitted by the US has ceased increasing. That means it has peaked. Every country has gone or will go through a "pollution peak" in their development as their economy and level of technology grows. Luckily, the US has peaked. China, being aware of this trend, is trying to move its economy through this peak as quickly as possible.
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Exactly. Last year the US had the greatest quarter of economic growth in 20 years! Tell me THAT'S not proof of a good economy!
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I would have to say middle east is the threat they believe in a lot of wild stuff that all that killing is good for your country but i really think the whole world has something to do with all the threats as i say there will never be world peace because people want to many things and everyone hates everyone else and it is all about money and how big your army is soooo i leave my opinion at this
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| voy416 wrote: | | I would have to say middle east is the threat they believe in a lot of wild stuff that all that killing is good for your country but i really think the whole world has something to do with all the threats as i say there will never be world peace because people want to many things and everyone hates everyone else and it is all about money and how big your army is soooo i leave my opinion at this |
First off, could you type in complete sentences in WN, please? It's hard to understand, and I would like to 
Also, I don't think that one should stereotype the entire Middle East as believing that killing is good, because it's just not true. Yes, many governments support terrorists, but we can't say that all the Middle East supports such things...
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