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lionhead
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nah, most religious people don't beleive hey are a speck. They think god created us, and us alone. Like the entire earth is build for us.
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Jeremy
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:47 pm |
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That isn't true, according to Christianity. God created all things for His glory. He also created the the world for all things. Human's were the most important, but it wasn't just them. I find it kinda funny that you think we are down about being a little speak so make a god, thats one of the huge things about Christianity, that God came to us, who are so tiny and insignificant.
And another assumption people who don't believe in religion is that we all disagree with science. That's not true, although there are a few bits that I disagree on.
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Starbuck
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:51 pm |
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Thats the problem with most religous people, is that they see themselves as larger than life. I'm not saying all people do. So don't get all pissy on me. But thats why there are so many religous fudes. People can't except that all religions are different, but your esentially all the same.
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Jemah
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:02 pm |
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| Quote: | | That isn't true, according to Christianity. God created all things for His glory. He also created the the world for all things. Human's were the most important, but it wasn't just them. I find it kinda funny that you think we are down about being a little speak so make a god, thats one of the huge things about Christianity, that God came to us, who are so tiny and insignificant. |
not exactly.. it's to make yourselves feel better. i mean, how bad to live life as a mere mammal knowing that you'll die and end up as worm's food. also, there actually is a religious part of the brain.. it's directly below the temperal lobe.  if you don't believe me, look it up. it's the truth.
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Jeremy
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:05 pm |
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So what happens to people who don't have religion? And I disagree with that statement, everyone has a god, whether it be them or something they admire greatly.
Humans are the main species on the planet, why shouldn't people be happy to be them? It's also a bit pointless debating this point, as it's all a matter of opinion.
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Jemah
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:40 pm |
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actually, the main species would probably be insects since there are many more of them than humans.
for people without a god, we are mortal and die after we've lived our one life. after that, we're nothing. biological beings.. @_@ i can see why people would be so into religion. i'm happy to be a human. i'm not saying that i'm not. being a primate is magnificent! xD haha.
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Jeremy
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:47 pm |
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I was speaking about in terms of being able to impact the planet etc, 
I agree with you in some ways. It's great being a person, and so is life (most of the time!). I just find too much evidence to support the belief that there is a God.
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Jemah
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:53 pm |
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evidence? like what? o_O there's more evidence to prove otherwise..
(in terms of evolution)
the fossil record, the molecular record, homology, development, vestigial structures, convergence, and patterns of distribution.
what evidence is there to prove there is a god?
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webtaz99
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:00 pm |
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| Jemah wrote: | evidence? like what? o_O there's more evidence to prove otherwise..
(in terms of evolution)
the fossil record, the molecular record, homology, development, vestigial structures, convergence, and patterns of distribution.
what evidence is there to prove there is a god? |
See the movie "Contact". {has a spasm of disgust for actually typing that}
What proof can you offer that there is no God?
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Jeremy
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:20 pm |
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| Jemah wrote: | evidence? like what? o_O there's more evidence to prove otherwise..
(in terms of evolution)
the fossil record, the molecular record, homology, development, vestigial structures, convergence, and patterns of distribution.
what evidence is there to prove there is a god? |
If you mention rock age, then in the bible it doesn't mention when God created the actual rock, it starts with Him seperating the water and land - so the rock could be billions of years old. Formations of valleys and so on can have been created by God, who created the processes that continue them along.
The balances and cycles on this earth. I don't know how much you know about science but there was an experiment carried out that showed life can be formed out of nothing through a certain process, and which was in the conditions thought to be at the start of the earth. Since then this has been almost ruled out, as the conditions are thought to be different from those in the experiment. In fact the conditions thought to be there (at the moment) would have killed any life as we know it starting.
The universe size is something you say makes us insignificant, to me and many others it would show how big God is, that He made this. There is also so many beautiful processes and sights to admire about it.
Personal experiences - many people have had personal experiences. Ok, they are different for different people, and some could have been made up, but the sheer number of them would suggest there is something out there.
My own life - there has been occasions where different things have shown me He is real. Again I cannot prove this, and if I outlined the things they could be coincidences, but the number would say not.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:55 pm |
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"My keyboard is possesed by a god." Can anyone say that that isn't true? No. So, does that mean that it really is? Why not. You can't disprove it.
And yes, Miller and Ulrey (I think that was their names) did that experiment, where they were able to create life from hydrogen, methane, carbon, and some other gasses. Pretty interesting.
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Starbuck
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:01 pm |
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/\ That was a lovely comparison, Aaron.
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webtaz99
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:06 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | "My keyboard is possesed by a god." Can anyone say that that isn't true? No. So, does that mean that it really is? Why not. You can't disprove it.
And yes, Miller and Ulrey (I think that was their names) did that experiment, where they were able to create life from hydrogen, methane, carbon, and some other gasses. Pretty interesting. |
Source please? If you mean the "primordial soup" experiments in the 70's, all they produced was amino acids.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:13 pm |
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Sorry, the other scientist's name is "Urey" not Ulrey. Heres a source that seems pretty good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment
Anyway, yes all they made was amino acids. However, they are organic molecules. And amino acids are the basis of life on Earth.
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Jeremy
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:21 pm |
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The problem with the experiments is that they weren't the conditions thought on earth at the time life started according to recent research.
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webtaz99
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:27 pm |
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Another problem was that scientists aren't God. 
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Jemah
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:33 pm |
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well i for one refuse to believe that the world was created some odd thousands of years ago by a magical being. carbon dating disproves this theory as do all of the records i posted before.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:40 pm |
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| Jemah wrote: | | well i for one refuse to believe that the world was created some odd thousands of years ago by a magical being. carbon dating disproves this theory as do all of the records i posted before. |
Actually, not quite, but I do agree that the Book of Genesis (the formation part) can't be quite real. I'm more of an "Intelligent Design" believer, but he is not a "magical being," at least not to the vast majority of people in this world (which is fact. Christianity has appx. 1.8 billion people, Islam 1.3, and Judaism 1.2 million. You add it up, it is the majority (according to 1994 statisticts)
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Puck
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:57 pm |
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^And Jews, Christians, and Muslims all beleive in the same single God.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:14 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | ^And Jews, Christians, and Muslims all beleive in the same single God. |
Exactly. And the story of Creationism.
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Founder
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:01 pm |
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| 4evajaneway wrote: | | my OPINION. RESPECT IT. |
I won't respect it because its wrong, but I'll tolerate it.
| lionhead wrote: | ....Hm? what? Sorry, i wasn't really listening.
You weren't listening? Way to prove your ignorant [b]and rude.
Just too point out its no use tlaking too eachotherwhile both sides are not listening.
If anyone is not listening, its YOU. "Sorry, i wasn't really listening."
I find is scary though that Founder (whats in a name?) doesn't explain the Actions of Tomas de Torquemada. Because this guy actually thought he was doing gods will, crazy loon. The pope was actually happy with the results, all those Jews killed (Genocide, the worst crime ever). The inquisition is the reason why i hate the Catholic Church actually, and thus everybody who supports it.
Why do I have to explain the actions of something a guy did a LONG time ago? Thats just plain stupid. Gee, sorry I don't control time. I guess im evil cause I don't jump into a time machine and find this guy and stop him.  Im Catholic because I believe in God. Not because of the Catholic Church's past. I was Catholic before I even learned about the Catholic Church in full detail. With that kinda close minded and ignorant mentality, you can say all White people are evil because they used to own slaves. You hate the Catholic Churce and all Catholics? Aw. How will I ever live without your love?
Can i hate for that? Is it strange that people fear the Church and Hate because things like this actually happened in the 'So called' name of the lord? Who says now then things that are done for God now ARE right, and ARE what God intended or whatever? |
Sure you can hate for that. It doesn't make you any less ignorant or close minded though. I don't speak for God, nor will I try to. We try and interpret God's wishes as best we can though. You might fear the Church but in this day age I fear a Religion cleasing more than anything.
| Jemah wrote: | | it's because they've come to the realization that in the universe, they're a speck. they think that they can make themselves feel better and trump their image up if they do things "in the name of god". (my opinion) |
Ironic isn't it. I would say that you're the exact same way. You're a branch of Humans who discovered how life works and suddenly God isn't a factor. In fact you people turned yourselves into God, believing your superior with science. Because you realize that YOU are the speck. You need to feel important and thus deny the existence of God. Its funny really. You all spend your entire time trying to break people of their faith and prove that God doesn't exist. Its funny in the sense that if you believed that, then your pathetic for wasting your time in doing that. Thats like a group of people believing that a Pink Panda lived in Oompa Loompa Land and watched over us. I of course don't believe that, but I would never waste as much time as you athiest have wasted in trying to disaprove it. Wow....pathetic.
| 4evajaneway wrote: | | Thats the problem with most religous people, is that they see themselves as larger than life. I'm not saying all people do. So don't get all pissy on me. But thats why there are so many religous fudes. People can't except that all religions are different, but your esentially all the same. |
You see yourselves as larger than God. You all are exactly the same.
| Jemah wrote: | | not exactly.. it's to make yourselves feel better. i mean, how bad to live life as a mere mammal knowing that you'll die and end up as worm's food. also, there actually is a religious part of the brain.. it's directly below the temperal lobe. if you don't believe me, look it up. it's the truth. |
No there isn't. If thats the case, what about the people who do believe?
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:03 pm |
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I find the idea of god rather offensive, actually. But hey, that's me.
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Puck
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:09 pm |
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Do we have any expansion as to your reasoning for this...?
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:15 pm |
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The idea that some "masterful being" of which there isn't any proof, is going to judge my life, how I've lived it, and what my eternal destiny will be? Tssss. Just offensive. The only person that'll be judging me is myself.
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:18 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | I find the idea of god rather offensive, actually. But hey, that's me. |
Well im sorry you find it offensive. I don't mind that you dislike Religion and God, but you never ridiculed me for my beliefs. Thats why I respect you over...certain other people on these boards.
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