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Starbuck
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 Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:29 pm The death Penalty |
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We have a topic kind of like this. Except that specificaly for juvies. So lets talk death. Do you think it should be legal? What about its methods? Lets hear what you think.
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Birdy
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:47 pm |
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No, it shouldn't be legal. We are human, if there would be any mistakes it would be irreversable. There are young kids now on death row, who are innocent but are on death row because they haven't got any money for an attorney.  Weird, huh? That's in America.
And if the state would kill anyone, we would lower ourselves to the level of the murderers. They should be in prison for a lifetime, because they won't suffer if they're dead imo.
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Jemah
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:51 pm |
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no. murder is murder even if it is inflicted upon a criminal. revenge is short lived.
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Theresa
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:55 pm |
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| Belanna1985 wrote: | There are young kids now on death row, who are innocent but are on death row because they haven't got any money for an attorney. Weird, huh? That's in America.
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You are provided an attorney if you can't afford one. Very inaccurate statement there, B1985. And no, they aren't third rate attorney's, all law firms are required to do pro bono work.
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Jemah
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:59 pm |
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yes and i suppose these public defenders strain themselves as hard as they can for no money.
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Theresa
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:01 pm |
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They have to, or they can be tried for providing inadequate counsel, and disbarred, ruining their own careers.
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Starbuck
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:03 pm |
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| Belanna1985 wrote: | No, it shouldn't be legal. We are human, if there would be any mistakes it would be irreversable. There are young kids now on death row, who are innocent but are on death row because they haven't got any money for an attorney. Weird, huh? That's in America.
And if the state would kill anyone, we would lower ourselves to the level of the murderers. They should be in prison for a lifetime, because they won't suffer if they're dead imo. |
"You have the right to remain silent, if you forfit this right, anything you say can and will be held against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney, if you cannot afford one, one will be provided by the government."
If you cannot afford an attourney, there's one provided at no cost. And while there may be innocent people on death row, there aren't very many, and there's always the appeal process. And you wait about 7 years before its actually your turn.
I think it should be legal, because there are some people in this world who can only sleep at night because the individual who killed their loved one, and put them through the pain of losing someone so close to them, is no longer allowed the privilage of life.
I do not, however, approve of fireing squad or electric chair. The only way to do it should be death by leathal injection. Its rather painless, is a tranquilzer and potassium, the potassuim stops your heart, the only pain is that of the injection itself.
I also believe life in prision is a more sever punishment, then you get to have nightmares of what you did every night for the rest of your life. Its actual suffering.
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Jemah
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:07 pm |
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| Quote: | | I think it should be legal, because there are some people in this world who can only sleep at night because the individual who killed their loved one, and put them through the pain of losing someone so close to them, is no longer allowed the privilage of life. |
i can imagine.. but this is very unhealthy. i would have an extremely difficult time if someone murdered someone who was dear to me.
still, i would not wish to exact such revenge. it would make me like the person in question.. a killer. an eye for an eye is reminiscent of medieval times.
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Birdy
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:06 pm |
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Why then, Theresa and 4evajaneway, do I hear stories about innocent young men on death row? Are they gossip? Why are there funds for them?
I think there's a LOT in you country you don't know anything about, like there is in mine. There's a lot that the government doesn't tell us, for obvious reasons. I think things aren't so pretty as they tell us. I don't believe that.
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webtaz99
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:07 pm |
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I hear a lot about the idea of innocent people being executed by the state. Compare how few innocents have been executed by the State, versus how many innocents have been executed by criminals. 
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Theresa
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:09 pm |
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| Belanna1985 wrote: | Why then, Theresa and 4evajaneway, do I hear stories about innocent young men on death row? Are they gossip? Why are there funds for them?
I think there's a LOT in you country you don't know anything about, like there is in mine. There's a lot that the government doesn't tell us, for obvious reasons. I think things aren't so pretty as they tell us. I don't believe that. |
Didn't you also just hear there was no roadblock, even though there was pictures of it? Like anything here in WN, provide a source.
"Why are there funds for them?" Yeah, care to elaborate?
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Jemah
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:11 pm |
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many of you seem to like death.. unless it involves an unborn fetus in the third trimester. why is this? *is puzzled*
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Birdy
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:13 pm |
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I know I don't have much evidence. I saw much shows on television, I read the newspaper, I read magazines and there were those stories. I can't give you evidence. I believe that there are things that you and I don't know and that the government does know. I'll search for the story about no roadblock.
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Theresa
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:16 pm |
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| Jemah wrote: | | many of you seem to like death.. unless it involves an unborn fetus in the third trimester. why is this? *is puzzled* |
Understanding why death could/may be necessary is not "liking" death. Would I like to live in a utopian world? Sure. Is that likely to happen? Probably not.
(JEMAH, please read your PM)
Anyway, I'm off for awhile.
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lionhead
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:39 pm |
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i voted for yes. i think there are a lot of cases in the world where you can easily say its best for that person to be dead then waste time on trying too reinstate him in Society.
In some cases its impossible, or not impossible but not really worth it. i can better try too help those who can actually use it.
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Starbuck
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:46 pm |
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| Jemah wrote: | | yes and i suppose these public defenders strain themselves as hard as they can for no money. |
They get paid by the state.
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Jemah
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:51 pm |
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| lionhead wrote: | i voted for yes. i think there are a lot of cases in the world where you can easily say its best for that person to be dead then waste time on trying too reinstate him in Society.
In some cases its impossible, or not impossible but not really worth it. i can better try too help those who can actually use it. |
every life is worth it.
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Starbuck
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:53 pm |
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I wouldn't be to sure about that, I mean, if you can't rehabilitate someone, should you waste your tax payers dollars on it?
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Jemah
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:55 pm |
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yes you should. wouldn't you expect the same?
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Hitchhiker
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:02 pm |
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I disagree with the death penalty. Treating it as a question of morality, I don't think that it is justice to kill another human being for killing a human being. It seems hypocritical. :;ducks::
Realistically, however, our current penal systems make no sense. All right . . . so taxpayers' money is spent to house, clothe, and feed criminals, who are nice and safe from other criminals (except, of course, for violence within the prison). Those taxpayers, meanwhile, are forced to make their own living on the 'outside,' and are at the mercy of other criminals.
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webtaz99
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:04 pm |
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| Jemah wrote: | | yes you should. wouldn't you expect the same? |
You need to read "A Clockwork Orange".
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:27 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | | Belanna1985 wrote: | There are young kids now on death row, who are innocent but are on death row because they haven't got any money for an attorney. Weird, huh? That's in America.
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You are provided an attorney if you can't afford one. Very inaccurate statement there, B1985. And no, they aren't third rate attorney's, all law firms are required to do pro bono work. |
Right.
The death penalty should be legal, and for minors as well. I am a minor. I think that the fact that the SUPREME COURT, not the legislators, made a LAW. I am TIRED of this Judiciocracy that we live in--it is no longer a Democractic Republic. It is a country run by judges, legislating from the bench. The SC ruled AGAINST banning it in 1989! Now so many convicted offenders (appx. 70, to be exact) will be loose or continue a life in prison sentence (such is the case of sniper John Lee Malvo). I think that if there's the death penalty law, it should apply to ALL 14 (at least) and older.
Now, as to the death penalty. A few things:
1) You do the crime, you get the punishment. You kill people and know right from wrong, you deserve such a punishment.
2) God will send a criminal who killed or raped to hell. I would rather have THAT quicker. Yes, that sounds bad, but it's part of my reasoning.
3) If you don't believe in God, then it will just mean the end of your life.
4) You cannot socialize, join jail gangs, have no chance of leaving prison, etc.
5) I have heard many stories of people who either work or have relatives/friends who work in prisons and correctional facilities. They say that the death penalty is better.
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Starbuck
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:51 pm |
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*theatric gasp* I find myself in agreement with RM. *passes out*
oh, wt99, that book screwed with my brain so much. Its like english english. not americana.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:52 pm |
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| 4evajaneway wrote: | *theatric gasp* I find myself in agreement with RM. *passes out*
oh, wt99, that book screwed with my brain so much. Its like english english. not americana. |
lol. Yes, yes. A shocker  I was supportive of it, then I was not, and now I am again. And I think that when one group gets it, those that are old enough (13, at least 14) to know right from wrong entirely should get the Death Penalty as well. Plain and simple.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:58 pm |
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Death is the easy way out. So no, they should have to pay for the crimes.
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