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Founder
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| Belanna1985 wrote: |
Come on! So you're saying that people who are not religious, have no morals?! I'm offended. I'm not religious. Does that make me evil or something? I think he means that when you're brought up with a religion, you don't have much choice but to follow it. Maybe later in life you will realize that something else is better for you (or not), but when you're a child, you have simply no choice. Your parents are the importants persons in your life.
Wow. Way to take my post out of context. Read closely.
"You may not want to admit it but Religion is one of the sources of morals."
I didn't say it was the only source. 
Ha. ha. ha. Again: COME ON!!
What?
I'm getting the feeling that you're feeling very offended by this. Why don't just say so? Why hide behind sarcasm? |
Offended that someone is attacking my spirituality and personal belief? Noooooo. How did you come to that conclusion?
| 4evajaneway wrote: | | You know, if you can't handle my opinion without delievering a personal attack, you really shouldn't post in here. |
That part wasn't directed towards you. It was directed towards the Athiest who dedicate themselves to finding flaws in Religion. Unless you fit that category....
| Jeff Miller wrote: | | I'm currious are you saying that its ok for people to be athiest if you don't have to deal with them? because thats how it sounds. and what about the religous people that ridicule people for being athiest? Hell I go to a store and get them attacking me because I don't belieive in god. so its ok for them to attack me because I'm athiest but I can't say anything about them? that just seems wrong. |
Not "deal with them". They can discuss their views and I don't mind that. I HATE the ones who ridicule me and oppress those who decided to expand their spirituality. As for the people who ridicule you for being athiest? That isn't right. Its your personal belief and I respect that. I too dislike those who push Religion on others. Its a choice. Thats the way it should be. It is wrong that they do that to you. I have never once pushed my Religion on anyone else. Also, where in my post did I say is was ok that athiest get ridicules? NO WHERE.
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Jemah
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 3:46 pm |
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neurogical disorder? that's offensive...
i prefer: "religion is the opiate of the masses". -karl marx
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 3:54 pm |
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Founder, Theresa, and Pah are COMPLETELY right. You guys are ridiculous, but Defiant, you think it's HILARIOUS! That's RIDICULOUS and HORRIBLE! And yet you are an ordained minister...
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Hitchhiker
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 4:06 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Defiant, you think it's HILARIOUS! That's RIDICULOUS and HORRIBLE! |
But it is hilarious, in many senses.  This guy is publicly making a fool of himself, knowing full well that it will be met with outrage. Religious people will be shocked, and much of the secular population will condemn him in fear that the backlash will extend to them (which it has).
Yet he says it anyway, and everyone gets all fired up about it. It's quite amusing from a third-person perspective.
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Birdy
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 4:09 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | Wow. Way to take my post out of context. Read closely.
"You may not want to admit it but Religion is one of the sources of morals."
I didn't say it was the only source. |
Allright, then I misread that.
I think you were using sarcasme and didn't say how you really felt.
| Founder wrote: | | Offended that someone is attacking my spirituality and personal belief? Noooooo. How did you come to that conclusion? |
Because you are very sarcastic, using a lot, just being sarcastic and not saying what you truly feel about that post. Like: It hurts me, or I'm offended, or, I don't like what you're saying. That's what I'm reading between the lines.
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Theresa
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 5:12 pm |
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Wow, people "look" at you and know you don't believe in God? Good trick.
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lionhead
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 5:47 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | lionhead wrote: | | well, i don't beleive its a Neurological Disorder, but a neurological Order. its true that religion is Crammed into a child brain from day one and the elders that are responsible for that don't pay attention too what that is doing with the child. everything a child believes and everyting that happens too a child in his Youth will determine what kind of a man he will be when he grows up. I think it is a bad thing too do that with religion. |
Oh yes, teaching kids tolerance and peace is evil. You may not want to admit it but Religion is one of the sources of morals. The only thing it will define is your spirituality. Oh no, we can't have that.... |
Yeah, like you are perfect. You have the wrong idea about the people outside your religion.
| Founder wrote: | | lionhead wrote: | | totally agree on that one. the people who are too weak too stand alone need a pat on the back, a shoulder too cry on. Religion is a perfect way of doing that. But that should be it, there shouln't be any Laws around it, or ways of living, just help the people and for the rest stay out of their lives. |
Hey look everyone, an Athiest just defined Religion. Yep you got us. Im weak. I can't stand alone. I need a shoulder to cry on every Sunday. Too bad I can't be as strong as you.-EXTREME SARCASM. |
Its not that simple, i didn't define anything. Its just part of the whole thing, you can't deny that. Maybe you are not religious because you are weak, yo are probably just born with it but some people who have eperienced someting terrible that they cannot hanle(witness too murder, rape, loss of a family member) turn too religion for Support. Thast the right way of using religion.
| Founder wrote: | | lionhead wrote: | | totally disagree on that one, the bible is a good book. Its just used in the wrong way by many christians. |
You're right, I've corrupted it. |
I'm not talking aobut you, i'm talking aobut the Church and the vatican in geenral actually.
| Founder wrote: | | You know I don't mind Athiest who keep to themselves. The ones who don't believe in God but just live their lives. On the otherhand, I HATE Athiest who go out of their way to try and disaprove Religion. These are losers with no lives. Ironically they say we have no life except being a sheep. But their goal in life, instead of tolerance, they go out of their way to try and break down people's spirituality. Its people like that, that I fear. They represent everything im not. They're sole purpose seems to be to ridicule me for my beliefs, to try and tear down my belief, to discredit it somehow. I think thats the ultimate in being pathetic. |
and you are not trying too tear down our beleives yourself? You are talking about fear when you don't even know what real Fear is. we are the ones who fear you all and you guys don't even know why.
Need reason of fear? Here, check this guy out:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14783a.htm
Now thats something too fear from.
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Starbuck
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:15 pm |
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This IS hillarious. Only because he's getting the exact reaction he wanted. You're getting riled up about this. Lets think about it this way. Its his OPINION you expect you're opionion to be met with respect, why don't you respect his. Its all a matter of opinion. Its my opinion that all religion is bassed upon the fear of what happens after death. God is a comfort. People are afraid to be alone for the rest of eternity, so you create "God" an all powerful, all forgiving diety who will spend the rest of eternity in your company so you aren't alone in the dark. And you seem to meat that opinion with hostility.
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Jeremy
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:17 pm |
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I've noticed a lot of arguments from both sides are actually made from presumptions and a lot of people answer what they think someone said rather than did.
I stick to my beliefs shown at the start.
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Arellia
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:28 pm |
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Religion is a personal choice, as is a relationship with God. That's why we're here, in some opinions--this life is a choice. The rest of the world is free to think as it likes, and I am free to think as I like. If I'm thought weak for my religion, then fine. Think me weak if you must, it certainly isn't hurting me. If you think it's a reaction of fear, that is also fine. What matters is what religion does on a personal level. Why should my religion be basis of discriminating upon my personality, without having known me? What if my religion was entirely a choice, because I like practicing it, and I believe in a relationship with God? That is no reason to call it a disorder, or a fear, or anything else. It's a choice. Someone find religion hilarious? Find religious reactions hilarious? Go ahead. I'm still just as content being exactly what I am, and I can only hope the same for all the rest of you.
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lionhead
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:43 pm |
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It is only that you people just don't listen! You don't even considder the fact that someone besies yourself may be right. Or even have an opinion that sonds logical, scary.
i cast my Opinion about it, and one of you casts it right back at me, like its an attack on your person or something.
So do you mind if i react too that? because i've had it up to here (not that you guys understand what i mean about that, You all probably considder it a threath or something).
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Jeremy
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:48 pm |
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| lionhead wrote: | | It is only that you people just don't listen! You don't even considder the fact that someone besies yourself may be right. |
*Cough*
I would also view this about a lot of athiests.
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lionhead
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:52 pm |
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No, we know, we are open too ideas. we are the ones who get all those religions over us trying too convert us, and since we had so many we know which ones too ignore.
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Jeremy
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:54 pm |
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You may be open to ideas, but people with religion have been open to idea's and worked out the best ones if you are working along lines like that.
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lionhead
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:57 pm |
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The best ones huh? wow, i never noticed. which ones would that be?
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Arellia
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:06 pm |
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| lionhead wrote: | It is only that you people just don't listen! You don't even considder the fact that someone besies yourself may be right. Or even have an opinion that sonds logical, scary.
i cast my Opinion about it, and one of you casts it right back at me, like its an attack on your person or something.
So do you mind if i react too that? because i've had it up to here (not that you guys understand what i mean about that, You all probably considder it a threath or something). |
"You people," "One of you," what is that? Why do you lump us all together? I like talking philosophy and science, I like challenging my ideas--I like toying with concepts of other ways of life. Is that the "Christian" thing to do? I don't really care. What if I do want to listen, if you'll only stop stereotyping me? So, I think I'm right. My religion is right for me, it is my truth. It doesn't happen to be your truth. You believe in your concept of life as firmly as I believe in mine. That is your choice.
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:31 pm |
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| lionhead wrote: | Yeah, like you are perfect. You have the wrong idea about the people outside your religion.
Care to show where I put im perfect? Or do you like spamming and lieing?
Its not that simple, i didn't define anything. Its just part of the whole thing, you can't deny that. Maybe you are not religious because you are weak, yo are probably just born with it but some people who have eperienced someting terrible that they cannot hanle(witness too murder, rape, loss of a family member) turn too religion for Support. Thast the right way of using religion.
Yes, I can deny it. Some people do turn to it because life is too hard to handle, but it is ignorant to say everyone does. Not everyone is born into it nor do they have to be tragically motivated to join it either. Some people choose to expand their spirituality. Some truly believe in something higher than this world, not that you would understand.
I'm not talking aobut you, i'm talking aobut the Church and the vatican in geenral actually.
The Church corrupted all Religion? Perhaps in the past, but not today.
and you are not trying too tear down our beleives yourself? You are talking about fear when you don't even know what real Fear is. we are the ones who fear you all and you guys don't even know why.
Why don't you read the posts? I said in the post I dislike people who bash athiests. I said I respect your belief. Im saying I hate the aithiest who's life mission is to find problems with Religion. Who go out of their way to break people's sprituality. How many times do I have to say that?
Need reason of fear? Here, check this guy out:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14783a.htm
Now thats something too fear from. |
Yeah imagine the opposite of that? Thats fear for me.
| 4evajaneway wrote: | | This IS hillarious. Only because he's getting the exact reaction he wanted. You're getting riled up about this. Lets think about it this way. Its his OPINION you expect you're opionion to be met with respect, why don't you respect his. Its all a matter of opinion. Its my opinion that all religion is bassed upon the fear of what happens after death. God is a comfort. People are afraid to be alone for the rest of eternity, so you create "God" an all powerful, all forgiving diety who will spend the rest of eternity in your company so you aren't alone in the dark. And you seem to meat that opinion with hostility. |
That makes no sense. How would we be scared to be alone for the rest of eternity if we are supposedly "blinked out of existence"? We wouldn't be able to think about it. You can believe that all you want but you are wrong. Its sad that you make generalizations about people like that. You can never understand why people choose faith over science. Some people may fear death, but there are tons of reasons why people would seek spiritual enlightenment. If you can't understand or at thel east respect that, then you need some "enlightenment" yourself.
| lionhead wrote: | It is only that you people just don't listen! You don't even considder the fact that someone besies yourself may be right. Or even have an opinion that sonds logical, scary.
i cast my Opinion about it, and one of you casts it right back at me, like its an attack on your person or something.
So do you mind if i react too that? because i've had it up to here (not that you guys understand what i mean about that, You all probably considder it a threath or something). |
One word: Ditto.
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Puck
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:55 pm |
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I love how atheists always seem to know more about the Bible than Christians do . Isn't that just amazing. And I see atheists use quotes from the Bible to push their agenda, or ideas, but when a Christian uses it it is suddenly some insane fundamentalist talking . But yeah, just love how one second they are using the Bible against Christians, but the next second, turn around and call it a fairytale and fantasies. If it is soooo stupid to you atheists, then you probably shouldn't use it to support your arguements. It all seems so...hypocritical?
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Starbuck
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:11 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | 4evajaneway wrote: | | This IS hillarious. Only because he's getting the exact reaction he wanted. You're getting riled up about this. Lets think about it this way. Its his OPINION you expect you're opionion to be met with respect, why don't you respect his. Its all a matter of opinion. Its my opinion that all religion is bassed upon the fear of what happens after death. God is a comfort. People are afraid to be alone for the rest of eternity, so you create "God" an all powerful, all forgiving diety who will spend the rest of eternity in your company so you aren't alone in the dark. And you seem to meat that opinion with hostility. |
That makes no sense. How would we be scared to be alone for the rest of eternity if we are supposedly "blinked out of existence"? We wouldn't be able to think about it. You can believe that all you want but you are wrong. Its sad that you make generalizations about people like that. You can never understand why people choose faith over science. Some people may fear death, but there are tons of reasons why people would seek spiritual enlightenment. If you can't understand or at thel east respect that, then you need some "enlightenment" yourself. |
Its my OPINION. RESPECT IT.
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:57 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Defiant, you think it's HILARIOUS! That's RIDICULOUS and HORRIBLE! |
But it is hilarious, in many senses. This guy is publicly making a fool of himself, knowing full well that it will be met with outrage. Religious people will be shocked, and much of the secular population will condemn him in fear that the backlash will extend to them (which it has).
Yet he says it anyway, and everyone gets all fired up about it. It's quite amusing from a third-person perspective. |
What he said. Not hilarious in the sense that I agree with his assessment, way to assume my opinion there RM.
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| Defiant wrote: | | Hitchhiker wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Defiant, you think it's HILARIOUS! That's RIDICULOUS and HORRIBLE! |
But it is hilarious, in many senses. This guy is publicly making a fool of himself, knowing full well that it will be met with outrage. Religious people will be shocked, and much of the secular population will condemn him in fear that the backlash will extend to them (which it has).
Yet he says it anyway, and everyone gets all fired up about it. It's quite amusing from a third-person perspective. |
What he said. Not hilarious in the sense that I agree with his assessment, way to assume my opinion there RM. |
You could explain for once 
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Its much more fun to watch your reaction.
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Religion is opinion. Everyone has opinions, so it can't really be a neurological disorder, as far as I'm concerned. Who cares what other people believe in?
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....Hm? what? Sorry, i wasn't really listening.
Just too point out its no use tlaking too eachotherwhile both sides are not listening.
I find is scary though that Founder (whats in a name?) doesn't explain the Actions of Tomas de Torquemada. Because this guy actually thought he was doing gods will, crazy loon. The pope was actually happy with the results, all those Jews killed (Genocide, the worst crime ever). The inquisition is the reason why i hate the Catholic Church actually, and thus everybody who supports it.
Can i hate for that? Is it strange that people fear the Church and Hate because things like this actually happened in the 'So called' name of the lord? Who says now then things that are done for God now ARE right, and ARE what God intended or whatever?
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:34 pm |
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it's because they've come to the realization that in the universe, they're a speck. they think that they can make themselves feel better and trump their image up if they do things "in the name of god". (my opinion)
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