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Republican_Man
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 Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:17 pm "I think religion is a neurological disorder." |
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This is OUTRAGEOUS.
| Quote: | | Bill Mahr wrote: | "Bill Maher, host of HBO's Real Time With Bill Maher, says that all Christians are crazy and are unenlightened because of their faith. Maher made the comments on MSNBC's Scarborough Country.
Maher said: "We are a nation that is unenlightened because of religion�I think that religion stops people from thinking. I think it justifies crazies. I think that flying planes in a building was a faith-based initiative. I think religion is a neurological disorder. If you look at it logically, it's something that was drilled into your head when you were a small child."
"When you look at belief in such things--as do you go to heaven, is there a devil--we have more in common with (Muslin countries) Turkey and Iran and Syria than we do with European nations and Canada and nations that, yes, I would consider more enlightened that us."
Maher said he wasn't speaking only of evangelicals, but included all religious people. He said he agreed with Jesse Ventura "who had that quote about religion is a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers."
Because of their neurological disorder, he said Christians "do not believe in science and rationality." He went on to say the future does not belong to religion. One recalls the famous quote from the Beatles in the 60's that they "were more popular than Jesus."
According to Maher, the Bible is a book of fairy tales, calling the account of Jonah a fairy tale the same as Jack in the Beanstalk.
Had Maher said such things about homosexuals, he would have been immediately fired. But because he was speaking of Christians, his bigotry was acceptable to HBO, owned by Time Warner Inc."
From an American Family Association Newsletter.
Click the link for a full transcript of the show. The part about religion is about halfway through the page.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6980984/ |
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Well it's nice to know that I have a neurological disorder. This is just yet another example of the media's left-wing, anti-Christian, anti-Religion bias.  What say you about this, Exalya, Rb, Kevin, and others?
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Theresa
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Ha. "I think homosexuality is a neurological disorder". That statement would make me a homohpobe, He's such an ass.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:30 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | | Ha. "I think homosexuality is a neurological disorder". That statement would make me a homohpobe, He's such an ass. |
I know. Believing that homosexuality is a neurological disorder IS more scientifically backing than saying that RELIGION is that, but yes, you would be a homophobe, but then again, the Libs always get passes where Conservatives don't
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Jeremy
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| Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:34 pm |
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| Quote: | | "When you look at belief in such things--as do you go to heaven, is there a devil--we have more in common with (Muslin countries) Turkey and Iran and Syria than we do with European nations and Canada and nations that, yes, I would consider more enlightened that us." |
Well, I live in Europe and if this is more enlightened then I hate to think what other places arre like...
| Quote: | | Maher said he wasn't speaking only of evangelicals, but included all religious people. He said he agreed with Jesse Ventura "who had that quote about religion is a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers." |
So how come many people are willing to die for it? Not exactly being weak minded believing in something so much you would die for it. Also why do people have religion when they are happy if it is a crutch? Presumably only people who are weak and not able to handle life would need it.
| Quote: | | Because of their neurological disorder, he said Christians "do not believe in science and rationality." He went on to say the future does not belong to religion. One recalls the famous quote from the Beatles in the 60's that they "were more popular than Jesus." |
Thats an interesting comment. Interesting considering many comments have been made like that 100 years ago when science was growing. Also interesting since religion is growing faster than ever.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:43 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Thats an interesting comment. Interesting considering many comments have been made like that 100 years ago when science was growing. Also interesting since religion is growing faster than ever. |
I would disagree and respond saying that religion is on the decline. It is ever apparent in Europe, Canada, and now the US. I'll post my speech on secularism sometime soon.
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Hitchhiker
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| Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:47 pm |
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Religion is not a scientific disorder, although it does depend on one's definition of disorder. I definitely think that as humans, we are biologically driven toward spirituality, it fits in with the gulf that separates us from non-sentient animals: storytelling.
Institutionalized religion is a wonderful little human concept that I find interesting. 
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Arellia
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If religion is a neurological disorder, then the foundation of human moralistic ideas are all part of a doctrine promoting insanity. Heh...poor, pitiful soul.
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Jeremy
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| Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:56 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Jeremy wrote: | | Thats an interesting comment. Interesting considering many comments have been made like that 100 years ago when science was growing. Also interesting since religion is growing faster than ever. |
I would disagree and respond saying that religion is on the decline. It is ever apparent in Europe, Canada, and now the US. I'll post my speech on secularism sometime soon. |
It is on the increase, but is declining in the Western world. As this is where we are we tend to think it is declining overall.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:01 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Jeremy wrote: | | Thats an interesting comment. Interesting considering many comments have been made like that 100 years ago when science was growing. Also interesting since religion is growing faster than ever. |
I would disagree and respond saying that religion is on the decline. It is ever apparent in Europe, Canada, and now the US. I'll post my speech on secularism sometime soon. |
It is on the increase, but is declining in the Western world. As this is where we are we tend to think it is declining overall. |
I do not see the way you see it. I see a decline--period. Everywhere.
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Hitchhiker
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Perhaps it's more of a decline in formalized religious instruction and attendance, but more personal involvement in religion. I know that we used to attend church regularly however we don't attend anymore because of scheduling conflicts. I know that with something like religion, one should make the time for it. I was a kid though, that wasn't my responsibility, and now that I am reaching the age where it could be, I find my opinions diverging from that line of interest.
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Republican_Man
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | Perhaps it's more of a decline in formalized religious instruction and attendance, but more personal involvement in religion. I know that we used to attend church regularly however we don't attend anymore because of scheduling conflicts. I know that with something like religion, one should make the time for it. I was a kid though, that wasn't my responsibility, and now that I am reaching the age where it could be, I find my opinions diverging from that line of interest. |
Here's a fact about Western Europe: Only 20% of French and 30% of Germans commit to religious services each week, while only 10% of French people see religion as a "very important factor" in their lives--and only 21% of Europeans as a WHOLE believe this. This has coincided with the rise of secular, progressive policies which bring down morals. It's more than that--it's a loss of religion. Did you know that in Canada in the 1970s 90-ish percent of Canadians were religious, while only 60-ish are now?
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LOL! That news article is HILARIOUS!!!
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Lollypop! I don't think religion is a disorder. I may not be a part of an organised religion, but I am religious. I do believe in God, I do believe in Jesus. I may not believe that everything in the Bible happened, but I think it's a good guide to life. Science and religion can co-exist.
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 5:26 am Re: "I think religion is a neurological disorder." |
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| Quote: | [quote="Bill Mahr"]
Maher said: "We are a nation that is unenlightened because of religion�I think that religion stops people from thinking. I think it justifies crazies. I think that flying planes in a building was a faith-based initiative. I think religion is a neurological disorder. If you look at it logically, it's something that was drilled into your head when you were a small child." |
well, i don't beleive its a Neurological Disorder, but a neurological Order. its true that religion is Crammed into a child brain from day one and the elders that are responsible for that don't pay attention too what that is doing with the child. everything a child believes and everyting that happens too a child in his Youth will determine what kind of a man he will be when he grows up. I think it is a bad thing too do that with religion.
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He said he agreed with Jesse Ventura "who had that quote about religion is a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers." |
totally agree on that one. the people who are too weak too stand alone need a pat on the back, a shoulder too cry on. Religion is a perfect way of doing that. But that should be it, there shouln't be any Laws around it, or ways of living, just help the people and for the rest stay out of their lives.
| Quote: | | Bill Mahr wrote: |
According to Maher, the Bible is a book of fairy tales, calling the account of Jonah a fairy tale the same as Jack in the Beanstalk. |
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totally disagree on that one, the bible is a good book. Its just used in the wrong way by many christians.
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Well. Yah. I don't really think it's a disorder or something. I do think, however, that religion is (was) holding certain developments back. I certainly agree about the part that religion is not a thing of the future.
I also am quite anti-religious. I think religions are, for the most part, just silly nonsense.
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I think religion is more based on fear. Like the fear of what happens when you die. People don't want to believe that they'll just rot in the ground, so they believe in a religion. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, its just my personal beliefs, but calling it a disorder is going WAY too far, IMO.
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Theresa
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:15 am |
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It's ok to make a statement bashing someone for their religious beliefs, but you freak out if their sexuality, w/e, is attacked. Yeah, thanks for showing youre duplicity. Freedom/equality is only good when you say so... We'll be sure to remember that,
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:24 am |
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| lionhead wrote: | | well, i don't beleive its a Neurological Disorder, but a neurological Order. its true that religion is Crammed into a child brain from day one and the elders that are responsible for that don't pay attention too what that is doing with the child. everything a child believes and everyting that happens too a child in his Youth will determine what kind of a man he will be when he grows up. I think it is a bad thing too do that with religion. |
Oh yes, teaching kids tolerance and peace is evil. You may not want to admit it but Religion is one of the sources of morals. The only thing it will define is your spirituality. Oh no, we can't have that....
| lionhead wrote: | | totally agree on that one. the people who are too weak too stand alone need a pat on the back, a shoulder too cry on. Religion is a perfect way of doing that. But that should be it, there shouln't be any Laws around it, or ways of living, just help the people and for the rest stay out of their lives. |
Hey look everyone, an Athiest just defined Religion. Yep you got us. Im weak. I can't stand alone. I need a shoulder to cry on every Sunday. Too bad I can't be as strong as you.-EXTREME SARCASM.
| lionhead wrote: | | totally disagree on that one, the bible is a good book. Its just used in the wrong way by many christians. |
You're right, I've corrupted it.
| Five - seveN wrote: | Well. Yah. I don't really think it's a disorder or something. I do think, however, that religion is (was) holding certain developments back. I certainly agree about the part that religion is not a thing of the future.
I also am quite anti-religious. I think religions are, for the most part, just silly nonsense. |
Not a thing of the future? Do you know how long Religion has endured? It is part of the future. Always will be. 
| 4evajaneway wrote: | | I think religion is more based on fear. Like the fear of what happens when you die. People don't want to believe that they'll just rot in the ground, so they believe in a religion. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, its just my personal beliefs, but calling it a disorder is going WAY too far, IMO. |
Yes yes, Religon is based off of fear. My spitiuality exists because I don't want to believe I'll "rot in the ground". Thank you for defining my life for me. Good thing your around. -Sarcasm
You know I don't mind Athiest who keep to themselves. The ones who don't believe in God but just live their lives. On the otherhand, I HATE Athiest who go out of their way to try and disaprove Religion. These are losers with no lives. Ironically they say we have no life except being a sheep. But their goal in life, instead of tolerance, they go out of their way to try and break down people's spirituality. Its people like that, that I fear. They represent everything im not. They're sole purpose seems to be to ridicule me for my beliefs, to try and tear down my belief, to discredit it somehow. I think thats the ultimate in being pathetic.
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| Founder wrote: | | Oh yes, teaching kids tolerance and peace is evil. You may not want to admit it but Religion is one of the sources of morals. The only thing it will define is your spirituality. Oh no, we can't have that.... |
Come on! So you're saying that people who are not religious, have no morals?! I'm offended. I'm not religious. Does that make me evil or something? I think he means that when you're brought up with a religion, you don't have much choice but to follow it. Maybe later in life you will realize that something else is better for you (or not), but when you're a child, you have simply no choice. Your parents are the importants persons in your life.
| Quote: | Hey look everyone, an Athiest just defined Religion. Yep you got us. Im weak. I can't stand alone. I need a shoulder to cry on every Sunday. Too bad I can't be as strong as you.-EXTREME SARCASM.
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Ha. ha. ha. Again: COME ON!!
| Quote: | | Yes yes, Religon is based off of fear. My spitiuality exists because I don't want to believe I'll "rot in the ground". Thank you for defining my life for me. Good thing your around. -Sarcasm |
I'm getting the feeling that you're feeling very offended by this. Why don't just say so? Why hide behind sarcasm?
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| Belanna1985 wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | Oh yes, teaching kids tolerance and peace is evil. You may not want to admit it but Religion is one of the sources of morals. The only thing it will define is your spirituality. Oh no, we can't have that.... |
Come on! So you're saying that people who are not religious, have no morals?! I'm offended. I'm not religious. Does that make me evil or something? I think he means that when you're brought up with a religion, you don't have much choice but to follow it. Maybe later in life you will realize that something else is better for you (or not), but when you're a child, you have simply no choice. Your parents are the importants persons in your life.
| Quote: | Hey look everyone, an Athiest just defined Religion. Yep you got us. Im weak. I can't stand alone. I need a shoulder to cry on every Sunday. Too bad I can't be as strong as you.-EXTREME SARCASM.
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Ha. ha. ha. Again: COME ON!!
| Quote: | | Yes yes, Religon is based off of fear. My spitiuality exists because I don't want to believe I'll "rot in the ground". Thank you for defining my life for me. Good thing your around. -Sarcasm |
I'm getting the feeling that you're feeling very offended by this. Why don't just say so? Why hide behind sarcasm? |
I'm offended by it! Some people might not agree with religion in general/other religions but it's up to them, there is no need to voice and rub these opinions in our faces. To Quote the Archbishop of Canterbury after an offensive play to the religion of Sikhism was shown in the UK- "An attack on any of the major religions, is an attack on all of the major religions".
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| Founder wrote: | | You know I don't mind Athiest who keep to themselves. The ones who don't believe in God but just live their lives. On the otherhand, I HATE Athiest who go out of their way to try and disaprove Religion. These are losers with no lives. Ironically they say we have no life except being a sheep. But their goal in life, instead of tolerance, they go out of their way to try and break down people's spirituality. Its people like that, that I fear. They represent everything im not. They're sole purpose seems to be to ridicule me for my beliefs, to try and tear down my belief, to discredit it somehow. I think thats the ultimate in being pathetic. |
You know, if you can't handle my opinion without delievering a personal attack, you really shouldn't post in here.
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:27 am |
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| Pah-Wraith wrote: | | I'm offended by it! Some people might not agree with religion in general/other religions but it's up to them, there is no need to voice and rub these opinions in our faces. To Quote the Archbishop of Canterbury after an offensive play to the religion of Sikhism was shown in the UK- "An attack on any of the major religions, is an attack on all of the major religions". |
There is this discussion about, isn't it? I'm just replying to what is said here, and how I feel about it. That's my right, freedom of speech. I'm not rubbing anything in your face, I'm just saying how I feel about it.
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I think a lot of people throw "religious belief" and "organized religion" together. People are (rightfully) losing faith in institutions in general. As a rule, our institutions (organized religions, education, legal systems, health care, etc) have beome machines, merely processing people like raw materials to generate profits (which in the case of organized religion, consist of more warm bodies). People (eventually) become aware of this, even if it's at a subconscious level that they can't articulate.
Anyone who is not an avowed atheist is by definition religious, regardless of whether they affiliate with an "established organized religion". Counted that way, I'm betting that the overwhelming majority of people are religious, and have been through history, and will be in the future.
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| Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:46 am |
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | Anyone who is not an avowed atheist is by definition religious, regardless of whether they affiliate with an "established organized religion". Counted that way, I'm betting that the overwhelming majority of people are religious, and have been through history, and will be in the future. |
I think that's a really good thing what you're saying. Almost everyone believes in 'something'. Whether that's something vague or really in God like in the Bible. 
I agree.
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| Founder wrote: | | You know I don't mind Athiest who keep to themselves. The ones who don't believe in God but just live their lives. On the otherhand, I HATE Athiest who go out of their way to try and disaprove Religion. These are losers with no lives. Ironically they say we have no life except being a sheep. But their goal in life, instead of tolerance, they go out of their way to try and break down people's spirituality. Its people like that, that I fear. They represent everything im not. They're sole purpose seems to be to ridicule me for my beliefs, to try and tear down my belief, to discredit it somehow. I think thats the ultimate in being pathetic. |
I'm currious are you saying that its ok for people to be athiest if you don't have to deal with them? because thats how it sounds. and what about the religous people that ridicule people for being athiest? Hell I go to a store and get them attacking me because I don't belieive in god. so its ok for them to attack me because I'm athiest but I can't say anything about them? that just seems wrong.
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