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Robsladey
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The survival requires on things like holodecks for training and an astrometrics would help, along with regular use of shuttles etc..
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Achilles
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| Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:38 am |
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The Defiant just doesn't have the facilities to last a 70000 light year journey like Voyager did! Sure, they'd be able to kick the asses of any hostile aliens that they came across, but it's just not a ship built for a mission of that length. After reading the Mission Gamma DS9 books, it's clear to see the Defiant can last out in space for a few months on it's own, but I don't see it being able to survive the way Voyager did for years.
As for holodecks, the deck layouts in the DS9 Technical Manual show that the Defiant doesn't have any.
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gul Lemek III.
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| Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:49 pm |
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Yes, it doesn't. And It's perfectly logical. A warship is meant for shorter distances only and for short distances on doesn't need a holodeck, right?
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Captain McKinnon
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the difaint is a 1/4 of a size of voyager so i think if they ran into the borg theyed die in lik 2hrs into the series lol 
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Sonic74205
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| Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:46 pm |
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The Defiant was built to combat the borg. Voyager wasn't.
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PrankishSmart
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| Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:06 pm |
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Defiant could stop at moons and planets and such for supplies and stockpile them just like voyager did, however i'm pretty sure the defiants warp capabilitys cannot match or out match an intrepids.
The only ships I would prefer to travel in for such a journey over an intrepid would be either a prometheus or sovereign for their even higher warp capabilitys than an intrepid, and obviously, their far superior combat capabilitys.
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HomerSimpson
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| Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:47 pm What if the Enterprise-D was in the Delta Quadrant |
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What if Picard and the Enterprise-D was in the Delta Quadrant
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starnova
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| gul Lemek III. wrote: | | Anyway, the point is, that the Defiant would get along a lot harder than the Voyager. |
but it would make cooler battle sences in the series 
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borgslayer
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| Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:25 pm Re: What if the Enterprise-D was in the Delta Quadrant |
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| HomerSimpson wrote: | | What if Picard and the Enterprise-D was in the Delta Quadrant |
Enterprise D has been in the Delta Quadrant for a short period of time.
Defiant would be ok for awhile until it meets a fleet of hirogens then its doomed to be destroyed.
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Lt.Hood
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Defiant could last awhile in the delta quadrant as long as it remains cloaked alot.(The klingon d7 battlecrusier traveled for generations mostly under cloak-episode:"prophecy"-star trek voyager) It would have to stop at planets to gather resources and avoid battles.I can assure you one thing, with no holodecks and limited spaces, it would be an extremely boring trip, and i can see the crews moral going down hill.
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Founder
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| Lt.Hood wrote: | | Defiant could last awhile in the delta quadrant as long as it remains cloaked alot.(The klingon d7 battlecrusier traveled for generations mostly under cloak-episode:"prophecy"-star trek voyager) It would have to stop at planets to gather resources and avoid battles.I can assure you one thing, with no holodecks and limited spaces, it would be an extremely boring trip, and i can see the crews moral going down hill. |
I think that O'Brien could make a holodeck. They made Astrometrics onbaord VOY.
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Lt.Hood
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| Founder wrote: | | Lt.Hood wrote: | | Defiant could last awhile in the delta quadrant as long as it remains cloaked alot.(The klingon d7 battlecrusier traveled for generations mostly under cloak-episode:"prophecy"-star trek voyager) It would have to stop at planets to gather resources and avoid battles.I can assure you one thing, with no holodecks and limited spaces, it would be an extremely boring trip, and i can see the crews moral going down hill. |
I think that O'Brien could make a holodeck. They made Astrometrics onbaord VOY. |
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Nice point, they could make astrometrics on defiant and chief o'brien would be the perfect man for that job.It may be smaller than normal but would suffice.As for a holodeck well that would mean sacrificing a few of the crews quarters to place that in depending on how much power reserves that would take on the ship.If they could do all that,it would make the long trip home more tolerable.
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Founder
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| Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:42 pm |
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Nice point, they could make astrometrics on defiant and chief o'brien would be the perfect man for that job.It may be smaller than normal but would suffice.As for a holodeck well that would mean sacrificing a few of the crews quarters to place that in depending on how much power reserves that would take on the ship.If they could do all that,it would make the long trip home more tolerable. |
Exactly. I would love to see Hirogen, Kazon, and others actually try to combat it. They would be in for a surprise.
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Sonic74205
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| Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:25 pm |
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FWI, they didn't make astrometrics. They upgraded it.
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| Chakotay1988 wrote: | | FWI, they didn't make astrometrics. They upgraded it. |
Thats true. But that shows they can do it though. Im sure they could create a holodeck. Perhaps by stopping at an alien starbase.
People keep saying "They need a holodeck! They need a holodeck! They can't make the journey without one!" Thats BS. How do you think Captain Kirk and his crew explored space? They didn't have a holodeck. All the Captain's before him too. I don't think they'd go nuts without one. 
Intrepid:
Normal Cruise : Warp Factor 8
Maximum Cruise : Warp Factor 9.975
Maximum Rated : Warp Factor 9.985 for one hours
Defiant:
Normal Cruise : Warp Factor 6
Maximum Cruise : Warp Factor 8.7
Maximum Rated : Warp Factor 9.5 for twelve hours
Thats the two warp capabilites of the ship. How is the Intrepid "A LOT FASTER!!!"? Not by much at all. At warp it is faster, but only by a little. How would that help them in combat? The Defiant is a lot more maneuverable as well, even moreso than the Intrepid class.
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Sonic74205
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INTREPID CLASS
Normal Cruise: Warp 6
Maximum Cruise: Warp 9.975
DEFIANT CLASS
Normal Cruise: Warp 6
Maximum Cruise: Warp 8.7
Maximum Rated: Warp 9
Oh and the whole Galaxy class in the delta quadrant thing has already been done in another thread
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Founder
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| Chakotay1988 wrote: | INTREPID CLASS
Normal Cruise: Warp 6
Maximum Cruise: Warp 9.975
DEFIANT CLASS
Normal Cruise: Warp 6
Maximum Cruise: Warp 8.7
Maximum Rated: Warp 9
Oh and the whole Galaxy class in the delta quadrant thing has already been done in another thread |
Uh..where did you get your stats? Im not sure if they're correct...
Also what are you talking about with the Galaxy class? I never said anythign about that....
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Sonic74205
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No HomerSimpson said it.
All federation ships of voyagers time period have a standard cruising speed of warp 6. With someships it is actually slightly higher but it is rounded down to a whole warp factor.
The intrepid class would actually be faster than that but because it's overall warp field and warp geometry was re-configured to it would cause less harm to subspace.
With the defiant. It wasn't until season 6 or 7 that the defiant could reach warp 9. It took along time but Chief O'Brien finally managed to alter the ships structural integrity so that the ship wouldn't literally fall apart when they reached warp 9.
Most of this information can be gathered from various Star Trek episodes and websites. One website i use is www.ditl.org but alot of the time it isn't very accurate so be carefull when looking at that one.
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PrankishSmart
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| Founder wrote: | | Chakotay1988 wrote: | | FWI, they didn't make astrometrics. They upgraded it. |
Thats true. But that shows they can do it though. Im sure they could create a holodeck. Perhaps by stopping at an alien starbase.
People keep saying "They need a holodeck! They need a holodeck! They can't make the journey without one!" Thats BS. How do you think Captain Kirk and his crew explored space? They didn't have a holodeck. All the Captain's before him too. I don't think they'd go nuts without one.
Intrepid:
Normal Cruise : Warp Factor 8
Maximum Cruise : Warp Factor 9.975
Maximum Rated : Warp Factor 9.985 for one hours
Defiant:
Normal Cruise : Warp Factor 6
Maximum Cruise : Warp Factor 8.7
Maximum Rated : Warp Factor 9.5 for twelve hours
Thats the two warp capabilites of the ship. How is the Intrepid "A LOT FASTER!!!"? Not by much at all. At warp it is faster, but only by a little. How would that help them in combat? The Defiant is a lot more maneuverable as well, even moreso than the Intrepid class. |
Remember that warp speeds increase exponentially so the difference between cruising at warp 6 and warp 8 for a 75,000 lightyear journey is very much significant.
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Founder
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| Chakotay1988 wrote: | No HomerSimpson said it.
All federation ships of voyagers time period have a standard cruising speed of warp 6. With someships it is actually slightly higher but it is rounded down to a whole warp factor.
The intrepid class would actually be faster than that but because it's overall warp field and warp geometry was re-configured to it would cause less harm to subspace.
With the defiant. It wasn't until season 6 or 7 that the defiant could reach warp 9. It took along time but Chief O'Brien finally managed to alter the ships structural integrity so that the ship wouldn't literally fall apart when they reached warp 9.
Most of this information can be gathered from various Star Trek episodes and websites. One website i use is www.ditl.org but alot of the time it isn't very accurate so be carefull when looking at that one. |
Yeah, but all the kinks have been worked out. The Defiant no longer carries the several defects it one did.
| PrankishSmart wrote: | | Remember that warp speeds increase exponentially so the difference between cruising at warp 6 and warp 8 for a 75,000 lightyear journey is very much significant. |
Im sorry, I mean their maximum rate of warp. The different is miniscule. There is no doubt that it would take longer for them to get home, but im saying that the crew of the Defiant could do it.
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PrankishSmart
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| PrankishSmart wrote: | | Remember that warp speeds increase exponentially so the difference between cruising at warp 6 and warp 8 for a 75,000 lightyear journey is very much significant. |
Im sorry, I mean their maximum rate of warp. The different is miniscule. There is no doubt that it would take longer for them to get home, but im saying that the crew of the Defiant could do it. |
Yeah I think once into their journey Obrien and the engineering crew could develop or refit the engines for higher cruise.
Ah no one needs holodecks either. Just turn the messhall crew dining area into a bar, have plenty of alcohol there and crew mates and I think they would all be set
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Sonic74205
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You know actually. When you think about it the defiant might have made it home faster.
Remember the episode where Voyager come across the wormhole which lead to the alpha quadrant. It was first seen in TNG. The 2 Ferangi that got trapped on the other side of it were found by voyager. Remember?
Well. Voyager tryed to use that wormhole but voyager just wasn't manouverable enough to get to the opening of the wormhole before it changed position again.
Now Dhe defiant might have just managed to do it.
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Cap. Proton
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| Chakotay1988 wrote: | You know actually. When you think about it the defiant might have made it home faster.
Remember the episode where Voyager come across the wormhole which lead to the alpha quadrant. It was first seen in TNG. The 2 Ferangi that got trapped on the other side of it were found by voyager. Remember?
Well. Voyager tryed to use that wormhole but voyager just wasn't manouverable enough to get to the opening of the wormhole before it changed position again.
Now Dhe defiant might have just managed to do it. |
Don't forget Voyager is the most manouverable ship in the whole fleet.
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Tuvok8917
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Voy isn`t. The Defiant is the most manouverable ship in the whole fleet. Voyager is maybe the fastest.
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Sonic74205
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:09 pm |
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Voyager is one of the fastest ships in starfleet. But that means it's warp speed. at impulse it isn't very manouverable.
the defiant isn't very fast at warp but it fast at impulse and is extremely manouverable.
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