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HomerSimpson
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 Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:04 pm Rights of the Mentally ill |
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We must realize that for all people with Chronic Mental illness or disorders, that they are often much WORST
than Deadly Terminal illness
Thus,Logically the same RIGHT TO DIE should apply..
The Mentally ill have the RIGHT to Die, and to have the Humane,Quick, and Effective Suicide Method Provided in a Doctor's Office
SUICIDE: A Civil Right by Lawrence Stevens
As a person with OCD, let me state that, the Mentally ill have the RIGHT to Peacefully End their SUFFERING in a Doctor's Office
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lex
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| Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:45 pm |
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Did you post this just to shock people or something?
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HomerSimpson
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| Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:08 pm No, because the Mentally ill have the RIGHT TO DIE |
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No, because the Mentally ill have the RIGHT TO DIE,
and to have the SUICIDE Method
Provided in a Doctor's Office
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Theresa
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| Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:10 pm |
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Yeah, don't agree. Maybe I'll post why later.
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Seven of Nine
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| Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:21 pm |
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Humm... I've got borderline personality disorder, and depression, and somehow the idea of a doctor letting you commit suicide scares me. Often I think my mental health problems are worse than my physical problems, and I sometimes feel I've got no reason to stay alive, that the world will be better off without me, and stuff. However, most mental illnesses are treatable, and if the right treatment is found then most sufferers can lead a relatively normal life. Obsessive compulsive disorder is one of the more treatable mental illnesses, so I don't feel that's grounds for a doctor to let you die. I don't really think the doctors should let me die, no matter how much I want to.
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Theresa
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| Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:24 pm |
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Yeah, and let's keep ignoring what something like this will do to the doctors who have sworn to save lives. Kevorkian (sp) is a total exception, and others like him.
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Kyre
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| Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:13 pm |
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I agree that everyone has the right to die, but OCD isn't something worth dying over (I speak from experience).
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HomerSimpson
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| Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:34 pm It's not just the OCD... but the secondary Suicidal |
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Depressions...
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HomerSimpson
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| Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:35 pm To, Seven of Nine |
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What does your Borderline Personality Disorder mean?
When you get to Heaven will you still have your Borderline Personality Disorder? 
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:12 pm |
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Alright, I forget the specifics, but this man was in a coma for 10 years, and yet what happened? He recovered. I remember hearing about this story on the news.
However, euthanasia is WRONG, except when the person is in a vegitative state with ABSOLUTELY no chance of survival and is in HORRIBLE pain. We should not end a life in such circumstances.
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lex
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| Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:57 pm Re: No, because the Mentally ill have the RIGHT TO DIE |
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| HomerSimpson wrote: | No, because the Mentally ill have the RIGHT TO DIE,
and to have the SUICIDE Method
Provided in a Doctor's Office |
Even if you do believe in people having the right to die, how can you possibly claim that people with mental retardation are capable of understanding the complexities and significance of such a decision? Also, you seem to be implying that they should be offered this choice because their life wouldn't be worth living, just because they're retarded. Retardation is no comparable to living with a painful, terminal disease, you know - it's possible for a retarded person to live a happy and loving life.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:20 pm |
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Ok, I am dianosed as borderline retarded but I don't feel that way. I don't let it get me down. Do I go around saying I have a right to die? I say that I am not borderline but just slow at math and on certain stuff. More like mild autism.I like things a certain way and smart on alot of things. So what you saying HomerSimpson, that retarded people shouldn't want to live or should have the right to ask to die? That is just plain out crazy.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:21 pm |
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I also want to note, that I am happy person, I have three beautiful kids and a husband who is perfectly normal ,who loves me unconditionally. God made people the way they are for a reason.
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Seven of Nine
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| Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:19 am Re: To, Seven of Nine |
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| HomerSimpson wrote: | What does your Borderline Personality Disorder mean?
When you get to Heaven will you still have your Borderline Personality Disorder? |
I was only diagnosed a couple of weeks ago so I'm still not certain, but basically, I can't cope with life the same way as everyone else, I cannot be alone at all (frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment), not knowing who I am (identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self), I keep trying to kill myself (recurrent suicidal behavour) and I feel very empty inside (chronic feelings of emptyness). I also feel very anxious over a lot of normal, everyday things (such as going to a crowded place, getting lost, hurting myself or someone else), suffer from hallucinations (mainly hearing voices), get very paranoid, and basically am a very hard person to live with and Johny is an absolute angel to put up with me.
If you put that on top of the depression then you might see why I don't get out much.
As for whether I'll still have my bpd when I go to heaven, I hope not, cos it makes my life pretty much unbearable. I'm hoping that with help I'll recover from it, although I accept it's something that could take years.
There's more information about bpd (and other conditions) at http://www.bpdworld.org
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Beta6
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| Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:06 pm |
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You can if you wanted to. I believe everyone can overcome their probelms or mental probelms if they decide to do so. Some aren't strong enough, and like to use it to their advantage... maybe to make people feel sorry for them? or make life easier!
(just for you theresa, I'm not bashing on anyone in forum...but yanks are still gonna take it)
had to throw that in.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:01 pm |
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I think that if someone is in extreme pain, has a very low chance of recovery, and is capable of making an informed decision, they should have the right to die.
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Seven of Nine
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| Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:11 pm |
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That's how I feel. However, most mental illnesses can be treated, and very effectively too if the right treatment is found.
As for just getting over my bpd and depression, they're illnesses, just like diabetes and epilepsy. Depression is due to a lack of serotonin in the brain, and in bpd the thought processes are disrupted.
| BPD World wrote: | | Mental illness is not the result of personal weakness, a character defect or a poor upbringing and recovery from a mental illness is not simply a matter of will and self-discipline. With a mental illness, it is a disorder or a condition, which affects the brain with a chemical or biological imbalance; this disrupts the way a person thinks, feels and behaves and/or relates to others, and to his or her surroundings. This can often result in a diminished capacity for coping with the life's daily routines and demands. This can also become long term but can be treated or controlled with correct medication. These two can CO-inside with one another, thus making life difficult for the person suffering. |
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Natira
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*bump*
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lionhead
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yeah, *bump* 
a suicide "Method" Sounds sooooo wrong. But i agree with HomerSimpson about the right too Kill someone with a mental illness. Especially when its a danger too society and uncureable.
For example, a man with an Incureable Mental distortion that lets him think he is god and Must kill all Children he sees(just an example, nothing meant by it) may be "terminated" if his condition is so extreme that he is an actual threath too children. How that is recognized must be dealt with by professional but i can honestly say that when you see him totally obsessed about kids, collecting guns and taking all kinds of pills would be an easy case.
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nadia
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| Mon May 16, 2005 4:54 am |
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What does *bump* mean?
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Republican_Man
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| Mon May 16, 2005 4:27 pm |
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| nadia wrote: | | What does *bump* mean? |
The topic was bumped to the top of the page because of the locking of another related topic 
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lex
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| Mon May 16, 2005 5:19 pm |
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Come on, lionhead. You can't really mean to present this extreme, particular (and, I must add, distinctly lurid) example as a valid argument to a broad question about the rights of the mentally ill.
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lionhead
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| Mon May 16, 2005 6:41 pm |
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Perhaps not. I just felt like saying it. I think thats the real problem, not the fact if people who actually want it can have it or not.
I don't think thats really anyone's dicision too make except for the person in question.
Then for the people who can't say it for their own because of a coma or something else that makes them loose self-concience(sp?) are not allowed too be killed.
Then there are the cases in which the person is unable too say it for their own but are in obvious pain without the hopes of release, they may be terminated with the approval of 2 Doctors and All family members (so no boyfriend, a husband is Family)
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