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Was_futile
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 Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:28 pm Inertial Dampeners |
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So... Does anyone know how these nifty contraptions work?
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lionhead
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| Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:43 pm |
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Isn't that when you go too the bathroom and turn on the light that fans start running so you won't smell your poop after you have....you know  ?
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Founder
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| Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:11 pm |
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I think he/she meant within Star Trek. 
That is generally used so you won't feel the ship moving about. If you are going through an atmosphere or warp for example. If its offline you'll feel it instead of a smooth ride. I think.....
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Captain Digness
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| Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:08 pm |
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you would die from the force exerted upon the ship without inertial dampeners. I think that it is G force, but I am not sure. Without the dampeners you would have to creep up slpwly to the speed of light and above. Example: If you are in a car and the driver steps on the gas quikly you will be jolted backwards. A similar force with a starship, accept it is greater.
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webtaz99
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| Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:37 pm |
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Inertia is a property of matter that results in it requiring energy to change its velocity. "Mass" is a measure of an object's inertia. An "inertial damper" would not only be needed to keep people from being liquified, but something like it would be needed to "violate" relativity and go FTL.
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captin jayneway
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| Sun May 08, 2005 5:52 pm |
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im sure ive heared the captin say initiate inertial dampeners...so if they were offline wouldnt the sre be already crushed...if ur correct ^^?
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EnsignParis
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| Sun May 15, 2005 12:48 am |
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If they were moving at any significant capacity of the ships top speed, yes they would.
Inertia is what you feel when your car accelerates and how you get "sucked" into your seat if youre accelerating real fast. Imagine accelerating millions of times faster and feeling millions of times the energy you feel when the car is accelerating.
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Voyager2004
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| Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:52 pm |
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I would like to know when Janeway said "Initiate Inertial Dampers." I've never heard that said.
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Tremiles
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| Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:19 pm |
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If there is a ship wide powerloss or a battle it may nock out the inertial dampners, since they run off the ships power grid and are tied into the engins so to maximise efectiveness, they would probably need to be repaired, and restarted if the ship took significant damage. they would be initiated just before brining the engines back online.
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myblackrose
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| Voyager2004 wrote: | | I would like to know when Janeway said "Initiate Inertial Dampers." I've never heard that said. |
I've never heard Janeway say it but Chakotay has mentioned them when he was in a shuttle.. dunno what episode...
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Voyager2004
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| Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:15 am |
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| Founder wrote: | | That is generally used so you won't feel the ship moving about. If you are going through an atmosphere or warp for example. If its offline you'll feel it instead of a smooth ride. I think..... |
You're correct.
They're needed so that when a starship launches to warp speed and above, that the passengers won't be flung to the back wall and just be a big mess for someone to clean up. But seriously, that's the truth. If our vehicles now days had those, and someone just stomped on the gas out of no where, you wouldn't even feel it. You wouldn't be pressed into the chair.
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| Sun Oct 16, 2005 6:36 am Re: Inertial Dampeners |
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| Was_futile wrote: | | So... Does anyone know how these nifty contraptions work? |
The startrek writers had to develop a response to the criticism that the accelerations aboard a starship would instantly turn the crew into "chunky salsa" They came up with "inertial dampers," a kind of cosmic shock absorber and an ingenious plot device designed to get around this sticky little problem.
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Lt Cmdr Murray
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| Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:03 pm Lt Cmdr Murray |
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I think their used only when landing on a planet. That's the only time I ever heard them ordered engaged or to maximum whenever they were going to land. IE. Back to Basics and that other episode where they found the Vodra.
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Blancie
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| Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:34 pm |
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| Voyager2004 wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | That is generally used so you won't feel the ship moving about. If you are going through an atmosphere or warp for example. If its offline you'll feel it instead of a smooth ride. I think..... |
You're correct.
They're needed so that when a starship launches to warp speed and above, that the passengers won't be flung to the back wall and just be a big mess for someone to clean up. But seriously, that's the truth. If our vehicles now days had those, and someone just stomped on the gas out of no where, you wouldn't even feel it. You wouldn't be pressed into the chair. |
Exactly.
In the Voyager season 2 episode, Tattoo, the inertial dampeners go offline. Janeway then asks Tom if they can go to warp without them and he says, "Yes, but we'd all end up as stains on the back wall!" or something to that effect!
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Voyager2004
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| Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:07 am |
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Haha...I remember that a little. I'd have to see it again, but I remember that and almost died laughing!
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luit14
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| Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:59 pm |
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| Quote: | | In the Voyager season 2 episode, Tattoo, the inertial dampeners go offline. Janeway then asks Tom if they can go to warp without them and he says, "Yes, but we'd all end up as stains on the back wall!" or something to that effect! |
LOL, are you serious? I would think Janeway was smarter than that. What are they teaching these kids at the acadamy these days!
But I don't remember them turning them on for a specific reason. I would think that they would be on all the time. I just remember them going offline. Star Trek definately uses the phrase "Inertial dampeners are offline!" Waaaaaayyy too much.
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admiral
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| Fri Dec 16, 2005 5:04 pm |
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yeah in that episode i was also a bit chocked when Janeway said that
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Captain Hawk
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| Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:43 pm Im a technology *beep*... |
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Interial Dampeners, lets break that down shall we...
Inertia = G-Force.
Dampener = Like a dampening field it stops something from being at its full power, if you dampen an audio file it becomes muffled and quiet...
since intestines dont make pretty wallpaper they needed a system to stop crewmembers being reduced to blood spray over the walls and floor... as far as I know they use gravitons to great greater gravitational pull from the stern to pull you forwards as the speed is pushing you backwards....  
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abl030
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| Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:37 pm |
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Inertia is the property of an object to remain at a constant velocity unless acted upon by an outside force. So if your standing still or moving ftl if your velocity is the continuous (i.e. you are NOT accelerating) the perceived force to you is non-existent.
Throughout Star Trek the dampeners go offline frequently and then theres a huge jump of the ship and everyones falling everywhere, but nowhere (to my limited knowledge :P) do they accelerate of decelerate.
And yes, if they did go to warp without dampeners the ship would move forward, but everything inside it would remain at the initial velocity (stationary) until acted upon but an outside force, I.E. the back wall or their chair, and since the accelerations we are talking about are huge, ftl?, then yes the crew would all be liquid on the back wall.
One possible way the dampeners could work is a feild generated that ensure every atom on the ship, organic or technological, is accelerated at the same time, I.E. every atom feels the same force generated by the nacells or impulse engines, or whatever, so that there is no percieved force.
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Manitou
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| Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:30 pm Dampeners |
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They're the same thing in Starwars. Get on the ship too late and you're floor splater.
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Ntypical
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| Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:13 am |
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| Voyager2004 wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | That is generally used so you won't feel the ship moving about. If you are going through an atmosphere or warp for example. If its offline you'll feel it instead of a smooth ride. I think..... |
You're correct.
They're needed so that when a starship launches to warp speed and above, that the passengers won't be flung to the back wall and just be a big mess for someone to clean up. But seriously, that's the truth. If our vehicles now days had those, and someone just stomped on the gas out of no where, you wouldn't even feel it. You wouldn't be pressed into the chair. |
That depends on what set of physics you follow (yeah there are several fictional rules they came up with that contradict eachother).
The relative speed of the ship to the space around the ship within the warp field is zero, it is the space around the warp field that is moving at or faster than c.
The original canonical sources imply that the Inertial dampers are their for impulse and other movements when the speed and movement of the ship is relative with all of space, because by the orrigonal explination of warp travel, the ship does not move.
Now this is arguable. Depending on which series of canon you follow. See Canon wars. In several explanations from earlier episodes of TNG it was said that my above explanation is correct because of those reasons. Physics would dictate that if the ship is not moving relative to the direct space around it that no movement would be felt by the crew. Those that follow later canon tend to believe what was explained in VOY �Tattoo�.
So I guess it just depends on what series' set of fictional laws of physics you follow.
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brianbrane
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| Mon May 05, 2008 12:51 am |
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| Ntypical wrote: |
So I guess it just depends on what series' set of fictional laws of physics you follow. |
Indeed.
In this fictional universe you would need to either create a force field, compelling objects inside the vessel to move as one, or else negate the force .
That is if you chose to travel by moving within space.
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