| Is ULC legitament? |
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| No. It irks me, and it should be illegal. |
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Jeremy
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Hitchhiker wrote: | | Jeremy wrote: | | He just disagrees that anyone can become a minister even if they are not a Christian. I would agree that I don't like this, but I wouldn't stop people doing it. |
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NO, I do NOT disagree that people who aren't Christians can't marry, or marry people! I have NOT said that--you are putting words into my mouth. I believe that any real religion should have that right, but getting to do it this simple...that's wrong. |
Um . . . Jeremy was talking about non-Christians becoming ministers in the Christian faith . . .
I don't see how this is different from any of those online 'do-it-from-home' university or college degrees . . . |
1. I don't see him as meaning that there.
2. There IS a difference. You are going in for an interview and what not, and doing more than answering a few questions (information, not personal) and then getting it easy! That's different. |
What HH said there was my view. Sorry if I didn't make it clear.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:27 am |
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I am on the ulc.net forum and I pmed an admin and he said it was legit.
But probably last thing I am going to say on the subjext hopefully. Cause I don't want no heated arguement.
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Solitary Poet
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Leo Wyatt
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| Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:13 pm |
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What is the Mrror Life Church? Must be something bad
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IntrepidIsMe
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Location: New York
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| Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:46 pm |
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Well, I don't see a problem with this. As far as I'm concerned, any religion is all just based on opinions, so what's the difference? At least with this only one, you don't have to answer crazy questions and do a profession of faith. So, what's the difference?
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
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| Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:12 pm |
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| Rbgirl wrote: | I am on the ulc.net forum and I pmed an admin and he said it was legit.
But probably last thing I am going to say on the subjext hopefully. Cause I don't want no heated arguement. |
Well what do you expect him to say! 
And it IS legitimate in the government's eyes, but I don't think it's a legitimate law, IMO.
| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | Well, I don't see a problem with this. As far as I'm concerned, any religion is all just based on opinions, so what's the difference? At least with this only one, you don't have to answer crazy questions and do a profession of faith. So, what's the difference? |
It's NOT merely a thing to do with religion--do you not understand my argument here? I think that it is WRONG for it to be SO EASY to get ordained through this--WAY too easy. I hope Val doesn't mind me dragging him through this but he agrees that there should be some training or something.
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Hitchhiker
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| Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:15 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | Well what do you expect him to say!
And it IS legitimate in the government's eyes, but I don't think it's a legitimate law, IMO. |
Last time I checked, governments did make laws . . . so if it is legitimate in the eyes of the government, would it not be a law?
However, I'm sure there's an online legal course you could take so you can be certified to give legal opinions, RM 
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:15 pm |
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I'm saying that it seems to me, that even religion reverends/fathers, don't really have any training in anything that's "real" so whats the difference between them and this? As far as I'm concerned: nothing.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:16 pm |
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If you know the bible well on your own, you dont need to go through no training to learn what you already know.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:24 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | Well what do you expect him to say!
And it IS legitimate in the government's eyes, but I don't think it's a legitimate law, IMO. |
Last time I checked, governments did make laws . . . so if it is legitimate in the eyes of the government, would it not be a law?
However, I'm sure there's an online legal course you could take so you can be certified to give legal opinions, RM |
Om, no. Just because it's legitimate in the eyes of the government doesn't make it right. I would like to quote the great Ronald Reagan, even though it has little relevence here: "Government is not the solution to our problems. Government IS the problem."
Also, I think that you shouldn't be allowed to do this online, almost at all. You should go to a certain place, where you learn the proper things and legalities of this, and then do it. You could apply for a class online, and then go to a class to learn the proper things, legalities, etc.
| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | I'm saying that it seems to me, that even religion reverends/fathers, don't really have any training in anything that's "real" so whats the difference between them and this? As far as I'm concerned: nothing. |
You don't understand that it's NOT simply religious. It's all the LEGAL things--legal in the EYES OF THE GOVERNMENT. That's my main beef.
| Rbgirl wrote: | | If you know the bible well on your own, you dont need to go through no training to learn what you already know. |
Again, there is MORE to it than just the teachings of the Bible, etc. There's processes, legalities, and more. That's what I'm primarily concerned about.
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Hitchhiker
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| Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:31 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Om, no. Just because it's legitimate in the eyes of the government doesn't make it right. I would like to quote the great Ronald Reagan, even though it has little relevence here: "Government is not the solution to our problems. Government IS the problem." |
Okay . . . I think the problem is once again semantics. You said, "I don't think it's a legitimate law," whereas I would interpret it in the way you meant it if you said, "I don't think it should be a legitimate law."
And that's Hitchhiker's infuriatingly nitpicky semantics lesson for the day. Tomorrow: semi-colons and C++
| Republican_Man wrote: | | Also, I think that you shouldn't be allowed to do this online, almost at all. You should go to a certain place, where you learn the proper things and legalities of this, and then do it. You could apply for a class online, and then go to a class to learn the proper things, legalities, etc. |
Why not? Although I like the idea of teaching in a classroom, teaching online, especially as technology develops to further the use of the Internet, is perfectly respectable. In the future, law students in Japan could learn from a professor in Britain, and vice versa. Already IBM is using commercials to promote wireless classrooms. 
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:33 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Also, I think that you shouldn't be allowed to do this online, almost at all. You should go to a certain place, where you learn the proper things and legalities of this, and then do it. You could apply for a class online, and then go to a class to learn the proper things, legalities, etc. |
Why not? Although I like the idea of teaching in a classroom, teaching online, especially as technology develops to further the use of the Internet, is perfectly respectable. In the future, law students in Japan could learn from a professor in Britain, and vice versa. Already IBM is using commercials to promote wireless classrooms. |
I would tend to agree, except this is an entirely legal job and you don't even meet the person.
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Puck
The Texan
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| Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:03 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | I'm saying that it seems to me, that even religion reverends/fathers, don't really have any training in anything that's "real" so whats the difference between them and this? As far as I'm concerned: nothing. |
In the Catholic Church they have training....
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Kyre
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| Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:38 pm |
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| Rbgirl wrote: | | If you know the bible well on your own, you dont need to go through no training to learn what you already know. |
Best thing said in this thread so far.
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
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| Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:36 am |
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| Kyre wrote: | | Rbgirl wrote: | | If you know the bible well on your own, you dont need to go through no training to learn what you already know. |
Best thing said in this thread so far. |
Forgive me, and I mean no offense to my friend (I denounced the denouncement of the friendship), but that is NOT the "best thing said in this thread so far." There is MORE to it than knowing the Bible 
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Leo Wyatt
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| Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:51 am |
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And you suppose to be an expert in this I suppose?
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Defiant
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| Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:52 am |
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Yeah RM, youre not even a minister.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:57 am |
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RM, I am a christian. I know that you must have Jesus in your heart, and be faithful to his word. U don't need no extra training to know what you already know. Even if a non christian becomes a minister, we are not suppose to judge them. We are suppose to let God handle them.
And there is no reason to even debate this.
I am happy for you Defiant.
Also Rm , you don't know what is in people's heart unless you are God himself.
I am not attacking you in anyway, just expressing my point of view in this.
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Defiant
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| Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:02 am |
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So youre letting god handle me? Wonderful.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:06 am |
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It wasn't meant for you.
All I am trying to say is rm is not god and he doesn't know what's in people's heart.... But I am not going to creat no arguement. Peace yall
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Defiant
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| Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:58 am |
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Oh I know you didnt mean badly with that post, I just thought it would be funny to make that comment, thats all.
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Hitchhiker
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| Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:37 am |
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| Rbgirl wrote: | | RM, I am a christian. I know that you must have Jesus in your heart, and be faithful to his word. U don't need no extra training to know what you already know. Even if a non christian becomes a minister, we are not suppose to judge them. We are suppose to let God handle them. |
Well said, Rbgirl. And this is why I dislike organized religion.
The thought that one must have human approval to practice one's own faith makes it kind of . . . counterproductive to the entire idea of faith anyway. If you're Christian, the only approval you need is from God.
The bureaucracy should not come into this in any way at all . . . but for some reason, probably due to the hierarchial nature of human civilization, humans have decided to construct various Christian institutions which insist upon interpreting the Bible in a certain way, and then having members move up through the ranks in a certain way. Very . . . typical.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:19 am |
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Thanks Hitchhiker. I totally agree that we only need God's approval not the world's approval. God calls someone to preach, marry, perform funerals, that is his will not the world's will. I know my bible and I know I have
Jesus in my heart, and I know he approves. If he didn't, I would not even think about preaching the word of God.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:17 pm |
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You guys aren't even understanding what I'm saying
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Leo Wyatt
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| Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:34 pm |
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And you are also not understanding us.
RM there is something that you got to understand, Well for me being a christian, I only need God's permission to preach and do minister's work. I do not need the world telling me otherwise.
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