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| No. It irks me, and it should be illegal. |
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Republican_Man
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 Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:54 pm Universal Life Church |
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This is the church that approved of Defiant's thing. I wanted to open it up for discussion. Do you think that what these people are doing is legitimate? Not legal--but legitament. Here's all that one needs to do to apply:
| Universal Life Church Ordanation wrote: | Welcome! You are about to become an ordained minister of the Universal Life Church, Modesto, California. Please be sure to find out about the legal doctrines governing your country, state or province.
After you fill out the following form, your request will be promptly reviewed by pastoral staff. You will receive notification of your ordination status by email.
Ordinations are conducted several times each week, so normally you will hear from us within a day or two.
We do not furnish this information to any outside organization for any purpose. Your privacy is carefully guarded. There is no charge or obligation associated with your ordination. Ordination is for life, without cost, and without question of faith.
Read carefully before applying for ordination
Please do NOT use this form to report address or name changes - to report record changes, click here
Please avoid using the same email address for more than one person if at all possible. The email address is used as a record identifier and must be unique for each person. Do not submit someone for ordination without their permission and approval.
Each request is reviewed for completeness. You must include a complete, legal name. Spiritual names and initials only are unacceptable for ordination records. If your legal name is initials only, or your legal name is one word only, include this information in your application, or it will be rejected. Frivolous names will be rejected whenever we notice them. If your parents had a sense of humor when naming you, we may reject your application initially, but upon explanation, we will reconsider. No one is rejected because of their name, but we must protect the integrity of the records against those who fraudulently submit requests for pets, obscene names, etc. Applying for ordination in the name of a fictitious person or animal, or the submission of a person's name without his or her permission is fraud, and may subject you to prosecution!
Please understand that there is no such thing as "instant online ordination." A computer cannot ordain you. Your request must be reviewed before your ordination can be done legally. You cannot be issued a credential automatically by a computer!
If you do not have an email account, you may obtain one for free, which you can access via any computer on the Internet, from such services as msn.com or yahoo.com. Without a valid email address, you will not receive confirmation of your ordination.
First name
Last name
Address
City
State/Province
ZIP/Postal Code
Country
E-mail Double-check spelling of your email
Any error will prevent you from receiving confirmation of your ordination.
Don't worry -- your information will never be rented, traded or sold. Your e-mail address is not made available to anyone -- period. Your complete confidentiality is guaranteed. You will not receive a bunch of unwanted junk mail ~ not from us, and not from anyone else! |
That's it. Is this service legitament, in your opinion, and does this irk you?
By the way, the address is www.ulc.net.
Please, consider the prospects of this, and who could have been ordained!
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Defiant
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:03 pm |
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If you ever get married RM, be sure to contact me. Ill be your minister. 
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Leo Wyatt
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:15 pm |
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I don't know if it is legit yet cause I did a ordain me and didnt get an email back yet.
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Defiant
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:18 pm |
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Thats not the aspect hes arguing. In that sense, its more than legit.
Although RM is just taking offense for the sake of it. You should totally just not let it bother you man.
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ILoveHarry
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:27 pm |
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Oddly enough, it IS legit. I know several people who have done this and have performed marriage ceremonies. The marriges are legal.
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Theresa
Lux Mihi Deus
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:31 pm |
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I voted yes. It's a bit... daft, but it's legitimate. Besides, what does it really matter? Now Mark can get a discount on an airline with a ministers license. Whoop ti doo.
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Valathous
The Canadian, eh
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:33 pm |
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Mark for Pope! I mean, comon! He's got the certificate AND the hat!
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Starbuck
faster...
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Location: between chaos and melody
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:54 pm |
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I think its 100% legit.
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Arellia
The Quiet One
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:12 pm |
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Supposedly legitimate, so...yeah. It really doesn't bother me. It's rather amusing, and harmless. Eh.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:16 pm |
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Sure, it's LEGAL, but it doesn't mean that it's legitimet. I mean, come on! All you need to do is this, and you're ordained! That's a load of crap. I don't think it's right for someone to be able to do this, it's not a legitmate legal practice.
Amusing? Harmless? Who knows who could be doing this. And it's a LEGAL thing, it's not just an amusing hooey. It's a LAW issue. More than "ammusement."
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Arellia
The Quiet One
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:19 pm |
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Adding in Defiant, I know two people who've done this. I don't see the inherent problem. If they're legal to marry people and whatever else it's not like it's going to break down society...it's just sort of an 'oh well' thing.
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Defiant
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:19 pm |
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So? There is no issue here. Its all in good fun, and although people may take it seriously and marry people and whatnot, I dont really plan on doing such things. Although, I like having the option.
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ILoveHarry
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:28 pm |
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le�git�i�mate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (l-jt-mt)
adj.
1. Being in compliance with the law; lawful: a legitimate business.
2. Being in accordance with established or accepted patterns and standards: legitimate advertising practices.
3. Based on logical reasoning; reasonable: a legitimate solution to the problem.
4. Authentic; genuine: a legitimate complaint.
5. Born of legally married parents: legitimate issue.
6. Of, relating to, or ruling by hereditary right: a legitimate monarch.
7. Of or relating to drama of high professional quality that excludes burlesque, vaudeville, and some forms of musical comedy: the legitimate theater.
tr.v. le�git�i�mat�ed, le�git�i�mat�ing, le�git�i�mates (-mt)
1. To make legitimate, as:
a. To give legal force or status to; make lawful.
b.To establish (a child born out of wedlock) as legitimate by legal means.
c. To sanction formally or officially; authorize.
d. To demonstrate or declare to be justified.
Therefore, yes, it is legit.
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Defiant
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:35 pm |
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Well put madame, and thanks!
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:21 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | Adding in Defiant, I know two people who've done this. I don't see the inherent problem. If they're legal to marry people and whatever else it's not like it's going to break down society...it's just sort of an 'oh well' thing. |
Uh...I don't care if they're legal to marry. You miss my point. I don't think it's a legitimate law.
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Arellia
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:24 pm |
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*raises an eyebrow*
I think I've missed your idea entirely. If it's legal and holds up in court, it's legitimate. Easy.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:26 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | *raises an eyebrow*
I think I've missed your idea entirely. If it's legal and holds up in court, it's legitimate. Easy. |
Um, okay. So are a lot of things, like in your great Liberal state of California. The government is continuously wrong, especially the courts. It's not a legitimate or rightful law. I mean, look at all you need to do. And if I'm 5, then I could be ordained. Nice. *sarcasm*
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Arellia
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:42 pm |
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Rightful, maybe not. That's not quite the same thing as legitimate. You say it's illegitimate and you're indicating that it's phony. Which it might be, I d'know. Though, I don't see it as mattering much. *shrugs*
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:44 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | Rightful, maybe not. That's not quite the same thing as legitimate. You say it's illegitimate and you're indicating that it's phony. Which it might be, I d'know. Though, I don't see it as mattering much. *shrugs* |
It's not phony. It's real. But I equate whether it's a legitimate law or not to being rightful.
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Theresa
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| Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:08 pm |
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I'm still failing to see what it matters. So he's ordained by this church, who cares? Do you see him trying to amass people? Sheesh, you don't even have to be ordained by anyone to do that. I could see you getting upset if it were your church ordaining like that, but some random church? Tsss. Just an excuse to get excited over nothing.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:45 am |
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| Theresa wrote: | | I'm still failing to see what it matters. So he's ordained by this church, who cares? Do you see him trying to amass people? Sheesh, you don't even have to be ordained by anyone to do that. I could see you getting upset if it were your church ordaining like that, but some random church? Tsss. Just an excuse to get excited over nothing. |
He can LEGALLY marry people. He's ordained by this church online, and can start a religion and marry people that way if he wants to!
No, if my church had it this simple (which it wouldn't, you'd have to be a priest) and online, I would be protesting. I seriously would.
I honestly do not feel that it is an "excuse to get excited over nothing!" I TRULY think this is bad!
Should I raise it to size 24 font, and italicize and underline it, or is that good for you? Why can't someone believe in something without being ridiculed around here?
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Theresa
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| Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:59 am |
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Why can't someone disagree with you without you flipping out? That seems to be the real issue. I disagree with you, and you freak. Quelle surprise.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:03 am |
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| Theresa wrote: | | Why can't someone disagree with you without you flipping out? That seems to be the real issue. I disagree with you, and you freak. Quelle surprise. |
[quote=Theresa]Just an excuse to get excited over nothing.[/quote]
THAT'S what you said.
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Theresa
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| Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:10 am |
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Yeah, I know, I typed it. It was a generic statement.
Nothing you have said so far backs up your claim that it is "wrong". If that is merely your opinion, fine. To be considered a church, by the government, you mainly need to be a non-profit organization, and meet some other criteria. It's no big deal. I mean, did you freak when they translated the Bible into Klingon?
Isn't freedom of religion one of the things that America was founded on? I mean, if someone creates an internet church, and quite possibly they already have, I wouldn't know, it's their right. Just because you don't like it, well, I guess that's life.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:14 am |
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| Theresa wrote: | Yeah, I know, I typed it. It was a generic statement.
Nothing you have said so far backs up your claim that it is "wrong". If that is merely your opinion, fine. To be considered a church, by the government, you mainly need to be a non-profit organization, and meet some other criteria. It's no big deal. I mean, did you freak when they translated the Bible into Klingon?
Isn't freedom of religion one of the things that America was founded on? I mean, if someone creates an internet church, and quite possibly they already have, I wouldn't know, it's their right. Just because you don't like it, well, I guess that's life. |
That is NOT what I'm talking about! You guys don't even see what I'm saying! I don't think that it's right that it's SO easy for someone to legally marry, etc so easily! NOW do you understand?
((Pardon my tone, but I'm not happy right now. Not one bit.))
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