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Puck
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 Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:25 pm EU Wants Hammer & Sickle Banned |
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EU Lawmakers Want Communist Symbols Banned
Thursday, February 03, 2005
BRUSSELS, Belgium � A group of conservative European Union lawmakers from eastern Europe called Thursday for a ban on communist symbols, including the red star and the hammer and sickle, to match a proposed EU ban on the Nazi swastika.
The group from Estonia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Hungary and the Czech Republic said the communist symbols should be included in any ban because of the suffering caused by Soviet-backed regimes in eastern Europe.
"We would like to have an equal treatment of the other evil totalitarian regime of the communist system," said Jozsef Szajer (search), an Hungarian member of the European Parliament (search).
EU Justice and Home Affairs Commissioner Franco Frattini (search) has proposed a Europe-wide ban on display of the swastikas and other Nazi symbols as part of a campaign to combat anti-Semitism and intolerance.
"If we decide to ban one, we should decide to ban all of them," said Jan Zahradil (search), a Czech member of the EU assembly.
Frattini's spokesman, Friso Roscam Abbing, said the EU head office was not at this time pushing for a similar ban on communist symbols.
"He is completely aware of the pain this [communist rule] has caused," Roscam Abbing said. But including the hammer and sickle alongside the swastika "might not be appropriate" under the anti-racism rules being negotiated, he said, noting the Nazi swastika was seen as a symbol specifically associated with anti-Semitism.
"It warrants further political debate," he said.
Justice and interior ministers from the 25 EU nations will discuss the banning of Nazi symbols at a meeting this month. The proposals need agreement from all EU governments.
Former Lithuanian President Vytautas Landsbergis (search), who led his country out of the Soviet Union, said the hammer and sickle was also a symbol of oppression.
"It was a fake symbol of unity of workers and farmers," he said.
Last week's commemorations marking the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz (search) Nazi concentration camp highlighted the growing problem of xenophobia and anti-Semitism in Europe.
Also, pictures showing Britain's Prince Harry (search) wearing a Nazi swastika armband at a costume party last month added to EU calls to ban all Nazi symbols across Europe.
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Tsss, how retarded.
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Theresa
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| Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:31 pm |
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Tssss, give me a break, 
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Puck
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| Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:33 pm |
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Sheesh, you can't just go around banning everything that you don't like  . Sheesh, in every human civilization you can find example of opression and other evil things. Their list could get long . And seems kind of infringing on the right of freedom of speech .
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LightningBoy
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| Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:49 pm |
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Banning the Communist logo...
Kind of a hypocracy there?
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:58 pm |
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| LightningBoy wrote: | Banning the Communist logo...
Kind of a hypocracy there? |
Yeah. Sure, I don't like Communism, but this goes too far.
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Jeremy
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| Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:25 am |
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| LightningBoy wrote: | Banning the Communist logo...
Kind of a hypocracy there? |
Not really, since most of Europe is capitalist. The EU is dumb, everyone in Britain knows that. 
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LightningBoy
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| Fri Feb 04, 2005 1:09 pm |
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No, by banning the communiist logo, you're committing an extremely autoritorian act. Communism is authoritorianism.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:03 pm |
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So silly. Different symbols mean different things to different people. Might as well try to ban every symbol.
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lionhead
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Thats indeed silly. A lot of countries including china have a star in their flag, suppose they would ban those too right? A star is one of the most commonly used symbols around. can't ban that. Not sure about the hammer and sickle though, not really a symbol i would say.
its the same discussion with the Pentagram, because its use for devil worshipping it should be banned. But originally its not a devil worshipping symbol (at least, i think) so there is not right in Banning it i believe.
swastika is a whole different story. Although the swastika wasn't originally a nazi symbol afgain i think), the use of it is Primarly for Nazi purpose so i agree on its banning.
In schools children find it funny too have a Judaism star with a swastika in it on their schoolbags. Not really my taste, logically its banned.
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Captain Dappet
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Why don't you ban the cross of Christianity while you're at it? Millions of people have died because of it. Idiots.
I hate the E.U. The concept is fine, but the European Parliament is stupid. Banning symbols is preposterous. Thats taking away freedom of thought and speech, because, as mentioned, different symbols mean different things to different people.
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Five - seveN
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| Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:47 pm |
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Pft. Is this a bad joke or something?
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WeAz
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| Mon Feb 07, 2005 9:14 pm |
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why ban a symbol when no one believes it
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Jeremy
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| Tue Feb 08, 2005 4:41 am |
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Actually a lot of people do. But there is no point in banning it. The Americans on the site think the UN is bad, just check out the EU laws and then you'll see dumb.
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