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Republican_Man
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 Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:42 pm Terrorist Teacher? The Story of Ward Churchill--A Column |
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This is a Collumn written by me. I have the original column, which I wrote earlier today prior to hearing news of Ward Churchill's presentation's stopping.
| Original Column wrote: | Terrorist Teacher?
A Column by Republican_Man, Written for No One in Particular
��[Ward Churchill] might as well be in the mountains of the Afghan-Pakistani border with Osama bin Laden.�
Ward Churchill is a professor at the University of Colorado Boulder, in, as the name says, Boulder Colorado-Colorado�s Capital of Liberalism, and one of the most Liberal cities in the entire country. This man has acquired much attention in the news because of his horrific comments truly advocating what Al Qaeda did on September 11th, 2001. The is much controversy over the college professor speaking at Hamilton University in New York State. But why are the comments of this man bringing along great controversy, and why is this man such a horrific person?
As Bill O�Reilly said, �The fact is, however, some people associated with Hamilton lost loved ones on 9/11. How cruel is letting this guy speak?� It is extremely cruel, of course. His comments include the following:
"They've given Americans a tiny dose of their own medicine," he says. "This might be seen as merely a matter of vengeance of retribution and, unquestionably, America has earned it." Is that not one of the nicest thing you�ve every heard? Obviously not.
Churchill has also called the 9/11 victims �Little Ikemans.� He�s said that the victims deserved their deaths in such a manner, and yet this guy�s still teaching at CU and welcomed to speak at Hamilton? This is madness. How the hell can this guy teach at this school?
But no doubt this is the reason why he was forced to resign his chairmanship of the University Ethics Community.
The comments of this man show that he is a truly evil person. Why is this man allowed to teach at the university, and speak at Hamilton University? This man deserves no respect-he might as well be in the mountains of the Afghan-Pakistani border with Osama bin Laden, not here teaching in the US.
Last week on Fox News� The O�Reilly Factor, Bill O�Reilly interviewed the widow and son of one of the 9/11 victims, and the son goes to Hamilton University, the very school at which Ward Churchill will speak this week. The student was highly offended, as he should be, by this unbelievably evil man. Some say, �He has a point,� and Churchill should, �be respected.� Well, there�s only one man with the last name Churchill that I�ve heard of that I respect, and it is not this man, for sure. If he has a point, then I�m Michael Moore, and we all know that that�s far from the truth. If he has a point, then the Star Wars galaxy is real. If this man has a point, then I�m the President of the United States!
My point is, Ward Churchill, winner of the Idiot of 2005 award, does not have a point, and is not to be respected. How could these two universities allow such a man to continue, and to speak, and to teach? They should not. This cruel man should be fired, proclaimed �unable to teach,� and be told that he cannot speak at Hamilton. This kind of content is not appropriate, and for this man to be in a position of power over students is entirely ridiculous. |
| Secondary Article wrote: | Terrorist Teacher?
A Column by Republican_Man, Written for No One in Particular
��[Ward Churchill] might as well be in the mountains of the Afghan-Pakistani border with Osama bin Laden.�
Ward Churchill is a professor at the University of Colorado Boulder, in, as the name says, Boulder Colorado-Colorado�s Capital of Liberalism, and one of the most Liberal cities in the entire country. This man has acquired much attention in the news because of his horrific comments truly advocating what Al Qaeda did on September 11th, 2001. The is much controversy over the college professor speaking at Hamilton University in New York State. Ironically, luckily, in a sense, at least according to Churchill, death threats have prevented him from continuing with his speaking, although there has to be an alternate motive, such as Hamilton realizing the effects of this visit. But why are the comments of this man bringing along great controversy, and why is this man such a horrific person?
As Bill O�Reilly said, �The fact is, however, some people associated with Hamilton lost loved ones on 9/11. How cruel is letting this guy speak?� It is extremely cruel, of course. His comments include the following:
"They've given Americans a tiny dose of their own medicine," he says. "This might be seen as merely a matter of vengeance of retribution and, unquestionably, America has earned it." Is that not one of the nicest thing you�ve every heard? Obviously not.
Churchill has also called the 9/11 victims �Little [Adolf] Ikemans,� after the mass-murdering Nazi. He�s said that the victims deserved their deaths in such a manner, and yet this guy�s still teaching at CU and was welcomed, until he "received many death threats" to speak at Hamilton? This is madness. How the hell can this guy teach at this school?
But no doubt this is the reason why he was forced to resign his chairmanship of the University Ethics Community.
The comments of this man show that he is a truly evil person. Why is this man allowed to teach at the university, and was, until now, to speak at Hamilton University? This man deserves no respect-he might as well be in the mountains of the Afghan-Pakistani border with Osama bin Laden, not here teaching in the US.
Last week on Fox News� The O�Reilly Factor, Bill O�Reilly interviewed the widow and son of one of the 9/11 victims, and the son goes to Hamilton University, the very school at which Ward Churchill will speak this week. The student was highly offended, as he should be, by this unbelievably evil man. Some say, �He has a point,� and Churchill should, �be respected.� Well, there�s only one man with the last name Churchill that I�ve heard of that I respect, and it is not this man, for sure. If he has a point, then I�m Michael Moore, and we all know that that�s far from the truth. If he has a point, then the Star Wars galaxy is real. If this man has a point, then I�m the President of the United States!
My point is, Ward Churchill, winner of the Idiot of 2005 award, does not have a "point," and is not to be respected.
How could these two universities allow such a man to continue, and to speak, and to teach? They should not. Although I don't believe that I advocate these death threats, it's a good thing that his presentation has ceased.
This cruel man should be fired, proclaimed �unable to teach,� and we should all be glad that he is not speaking at Hamilton. This kind of content is not appropriate, and for this man to be in a position of power over students is entirely ridiculous. |
And ain't this the truth? The taxpayers of Colorado should NOT have to pay for a man like this. It is dispicable. Fire Ward Churchill!
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Defiant
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Relying on commentary from Bill OReilly, who you have stated many times that you dont like...
Plus, what a republican view! Although, not more than anyone expected. 
I think he is fine, people are not required to go to his presentation, they shouldnt decide they feel like taking offense.
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MJ
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Home of the free, where you get death threads when you voice your opinion. 
You should also post the facts that go with it RM, because the whole collum in one opinion.
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Hes not a terrorist at all. Hes an ignorant moron that is completely heartless. The people at 9/11 deserved to die? Why? Idiot.
Why? Why oh why do good people die at 9/11 but he lives? Too bad he wasn't at 9/11.
Death threats on him?  Good news.
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Sam Kenobi
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Hey, let's hear it from someone who lives in Colorado!
Here we prefer to call Boulder "The People's Republic of Boulder." It is a very freaky-ass, very liberal city and I might go as far as to say that I hate it there, and always have.
You might recall Boulder from a scandal-thing a few months ago where the students of Boulder High were holding a talent show and controversy rose from a school band including two teachers that called themselves "The Taliband" who would be playing a song entitled "I Wish George Bush was Dead" and got away with it, mind you. Freedom of speech, right? I hate Boulder.
| Republican Man wrote: | | How the hell can this guy teach at this school? |
Uh... because obviously you know nothing about CU Boulder.
Anyway... I agree with Founder, he's not a terrorist. I think his ideas are assinine, I think he's a traditional Boulderite. He's intelligant, though, yes, even someone to be a prof at a state school in Colorado has to be intelligent.
But no, I would not like to pay my taxes that support anything concerning Boulder.
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| Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:31 am |
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http://www.850koa.com/info/churchill-interview.html
This is an interview with Ward Churchill by Mike Rosen, he's our talk radio guy... he's kind of annoying, but oh well.
You have to put a username stuff in, but they don't notice if you put fake information in... uh... yeah. Anyway. It's a guy who knows that dumbness of Boulder, so...
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| Wed Feb 02, 2005 9:21 am |
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Freedom of speech and expression, eh. You can't oppress someone because their views are different from your own. Perhaps he should be a little less idiotic in expressing them, of course. The point of a free society is to have a free, responsible society. I don't agree with this guy's views, but they are his views . . . why should he have to pretend otherwise or else be publicly ostracized?
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I think that he should be allowed to say this. It is actually the view of a lot of people worldwide. I don't agree that the people deserved to die, and in some ways that America got what it deserved, but a lot of people do think that American deserved it.
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| Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:09 pm |
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People who say America deserve is most likely not Americans and would love to take a chance to say something bad and negative.
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Sam Kenobi
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| Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:37 pm |
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No, the point is that professors and students should be held to the same standard, even in Boulder. If a student had gone all out and made remarks like this, they would have been expelled. It is his job as a professor in that school to set an example for the students, otherwise he becomes just as lousy as the teachers from Boulder High in The Taliband.
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You're right that he should be allowed to state his views. Take notice that no one is supressing his views. His views are simply evil. Now Im sure someone will counter with "Why are they evil? Because they're different from your views?". No. Because he supports the fact that people, innocent people, died. He feels we "deserved" it. Tell me. What did those people on the plane had to do with Isreal's subjugation of Palestine? The oppression of Lebanon from foriegn powers? Or Russia's oppression of Chechnya? Yes, Muslims are oppressed people. I understand that. What is being done to them around the World is NOT right. But to take it out on innocents who are just trying to live their lives? WRONG. Thats why they are going to pay for their barbaric acts.
People here, mainly the foreigners, say this guy should be allowed to express his views. As Jeremy pointed out, his views are SADLY the same as many nations around the World. Which is sick. Ya'll wonder why we didn't do what you wanted in the UN.
I don't understand why you all are like "Whats the big deal? Its his views." The big deal is hes in AMERICA. Not France. That s**t doesn't fly here. We were attacked and to ok the deaths of innocents is SICKINING. What did you expcet us to say? "Haha. Great views! We sure did deserve it! Heres top hoping we get more of what we deserve."
The Terrorist hates America for what we do around the World? Fine. Then attack the government, not people who have no say in whats goes on in Lebanon, Iraq, Palestine, Afghistan, and Chechnya, etc etc etc. Those people did not deserve to die that day. Anyone who says otherwise is cruel and heartless. It makes me almost sad that our neighbors around the World share this man's views. Wow, I really want to patch up relations now.
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| Founder wrote: | I don't understand why you all are like "Whats the big deal? Its his views." The big deal is hes in AMERICA. Not France. That s**t doesn't fly here. We were attacked and to ok the deaths of innocents is SICKINING. What did you expcet us to say? "Haha. Great views! We sure did deserve it! Heres top hoping we get more of what we deserve."
The Terrorist hates America for what we do around the World? Fine. Then attack the government, not people who have no say in whats goes on in Lebanon, Iraq, Palestine, Afghistan, and Chechnya, etc etc etc. Those people did not deserve to die that day. Anyone who says otherwise is cruel and heartless. It makes me almost sad that our neighbors around the World share this man's views. Wow, I really want to patch up relations now. |
I'm not saying I agree with this point I'm about to make, but some people might say that it's what Americans have done (killed innocent people). I don't believe that this is diliberate, except in a few cases where people have been wrong which isn't condoned, but just being devils advocate.
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Leo Wyatt
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Us Americans did not kill innocent people. We are trying to free Iraq and defend America.
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MJ
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Evil and good, all in the eye of the beholder.
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Hitchhiker
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| Rbgirl wrote: | | Us Americans did not kill innocent people. We are trying to free Iraq and defend America. |
So the numerous Iraqi civilians who have died in this 'freedom mission' were all guilty?
| Founder wrote: | | I don't understand why you all are like "Whats the big deal? Its his views." The big deal is hes in AMERICA. Not France. That s**t doesn't fly here. We were attacked and to ok the deaths of innocents is SICKINING. What did you expcet us to say? "Haha. Great views! We sure did deserve it! Heres top hoping we get more of what we deserve." |
Of course it is happening in America, the 'Land of the Free'. I agree that it is sickening, and I don't think you need to like it one bit. Yet he is allowed his own opinions and his own views, even if they go against the opinion of the nation.
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Founder wrote: | I don't understand why you all are like "Whats the big deal? Its his views." The big deal is hes in AMERICA. Not France. That s**t doesn't fly here. We were attacked and to ok the deaths of innocents is SICKINING. What did you expcet us to say? "Haha. Great views! We sure did deserve it! Heres top hoping we get more of what we deserve."
The Terrorist hates America for what we do around the World? Fine. Then attack the government, not people who have no say in whats goes on in Lebanon, Iraq, Palestine, Afghistan, and Chechnya, etc etc etc. Those people did not deserve to die that day. Anyone who says otherwise is cruel and heartless. It makes me almost sad that our neighbors around the World share this man's views. Wow, I really want to patch up relations now. |
I'm not saying I agree with this point I'm about to make, but some people might say that it's what Americans have done (killed innocent people). I don't believe that this is diliberate, except in a few cases where people have been wrong which isn't condoned, but just being devils advocate. |
I know what you are saying Jeremy. You prove a good point. My point still stands that they are punishing the wrong people. The people that died at 9/11 do not give the orders to attack innocents in the Middle East. Had they attacked our military installations over there, then they would show they are freedom fighters pushing us and/or our allies from their home. But killing innocents on American soil? Barbaric. Military deaths, are not liked but tolerated. Sadly it comes with the job. These people could do peaceful protest. Instead they have decided to immerse themselves in killings. They're stupid to think that with every death we will leave. It only angers us more....
| Rbgirl wrote: | | Us Americans did not kill innocent people. We are trying to free Iraq and defend America. |
Well innocents have died because of both sides sadly. But you're right about the last part.
| MJ wrote: | | Evil and good, all in the eye of the beholder. |
Uh.....no. Not in ALL cases.
| Hitchhiker wrote: | | So the numerous Iraqi civilians who have died in this 'freedom mission' were all guilty? |
Sadly such is war. Know im sure you're going to say "Wait. You can kill civilians but they can't?" The difference is-we don't go out of our way to kill the civilians. Its sad, but it will happen at times. They are right in the middle of all of this.
| Hitchhiker wrote: | | Of course it is happening in America, the 'Land of the Free'. I agree that it is sickening, and I don't think you need to like it one bit. Yet he is allowed his own opinions and his own views, even if they go against the opinion of the nation. |
I agree. He is allowed to view his opinions. My point is that there should be no surprise that it is going to be met with anger. People who had loved one die at 9/11 will not take this well. He basically just said "You're loved one deserved to die." I don't think you, me, or anyone can know how that feels to have someone tell you that. Its painful and the man crossed the line. Its one thing to say "I agree with why Bin Laden did it. He isn't doing it cause hes a mustach twirling bad guy. Hes an oppressed Muslim. He lives in a World where Arabs are treated second class or just outright killed. I think their fight has merit, just their methods are bad." But to say the methods are ok? Uh uh....
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:44 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | Relying on commentary from Bill OReilly, who you have stated many times that you dont like...
Plus, what a republican view! Although, not more than anyone expected.
I think he is fine, people are not required to go to his presentation, they shouldnt decide they feel like taking offense. |
O'Reilly took a good stand, although he doesn't htink he should be fired.
And either way, he should not be allowed to speak there, which he is not.
| MJ wrote: | Home of the free, where you get death threads when you voice your opinion.
You should also post the facts that go with it RM, because the whole collum in one opinion. |
I read quotes. Those are FACTS, with opinions.
| Founder wrote: | Hes not a terrorist at all. Hes an ignorant moron that is completely heartless. The people at 9/11 deserved to die? Why? Idiot.
Why? Why oh why do good people die at 9/11 but he lives? Too bad he wasn't at 9/11.
Death threats on him? Good news. |
I know he's not a terrorist, and I never actually said that in the column, but he isn't a terrorist, no. But a jerk. And yeah.
| Triam_Paris wrote: | Hey, let's hear it from someone who lives in Colorado!
Guess what? I DO, and I know about CU. 
Here we prefer to call Boulder "The People's Republic of Boulder." It is a very freaky-ass, very liberal city and I might go as far as to say that I hate it there, and always have.
I know.
You might recall Boulder from a scandal-thing a few months ago where the students of Boulder High were holding a talent show and controversy rose from a school band including two teachers that called themselves "The Taliband" who would be playing a song entitled "I Wish George Bush was Dead" and got away with it, mind you. Freedom of speech, right? I hate Boulder.
I didn't hear about that, but that is HORRIBLE! My gosh, some lesson! Evil teachers!
| Republican Man wrote: | | How the hell can this guy teach at this school? |
Uh... because obviously you know nothing about CU Boulder.
I do, actually, and I know.
Anyway... I agree with Founder, he's not a terrorist. I think his ideas are assinine, I think he's a traditional Boulderite. He's intelligant, though, yes, even someone to be a prof at a state school in Colorado has to be intelligent.
Yeah, agreed..
But no, I would not like to pay my taxes that support anything concerning Boulder. |
Exactly.
| Triam_Paris wrote: | http://www.850koa.com/info/churchill-interview.html
This is an interview with Ward Churchill by Mike Rosen, he's our talk radio guy... he's kind of annoying, but oh well.
You have to put a username stuff in, but they don't notice if you put fake information in... uh... yeah. Anyway. It's a guy who knows that dumbness of Boulder, so... |
Yeah.
| Hitchhiker wrote: | | Freedom of speech and expression, eh. You can't oppress someone because their views are different from your own. Perhaps he should be a little less idiotic in expressing them, of course. The point of a free society is to have a free, responsible society. I don't agree with this guy's views, but they are his views . . . why should he have to pretend otherwise or else be publicly ostracized? |
He called the 9/11 victems NAZIS! And said that they DESERVED their punishment! This guy should NOT be teaching at CU, one of the Liberal capitals of the country. This is speech that can be censored.
| Jeremy wrote: | | I think that he should be allowed to say this. It is actually the view of a lot of people worldwide. I don't agree that the people deserved to die, and in some ways that America got what it deserved, but a lot of people do think that American deserved it. |
Allowed to say it, sure. But speak infront of students and teach? NO.
| Triam_Paris wrote: | | No, the point is that professors and students should be held to the same standard, even in Boulder. If a student had gone all out and made remarks like this, they would have been expelled. It is his job as a professor in that school to set an example for the students, otherwise he becomes just as lousy as the teachers from Boulder High in The Taliband. |
EXACTLY. SUPERB point.
| Founder wrote: | You're right that he should be allowed to state his views. Take notice that no one is supressing his views. His views are simply evil. Now Im sure someone will counter with "Why are they evil? Because they're different from your views?". No. Because he supports the fact that people, innocent people, died. He feels we "deserved" it. Tell me. What did those people on the plane had to do with Isreal's subjugation of Palestine? The oppression of Lebanon from foriegn powers? Or Russia's oppression of Chechnya? Yes, Muslims are oppressed people. I understand that. What is being done to them around the World is NOT right. But to take it out on innocents who are just trying to live their lives? WRONG. Thats why they are going to pay for their barbaric acts.
People here, mainly the foreigners, say this guy should be allowed to express his views. As Jeremy pointed out, his views are SADLY the same as many nations around the World. Which is sick. Ya'll wonder why we didn't do what you wanted in the UN.
I don't understand why you all are like "Whats the big deal? Its his views." The big deal is hes in AMERICA. Not France. That s**t doesn't fly here. We were attacked and to ok the deaths of innocents is SICKINING. What did you expcet us to say? "Haha. Great views! We sure did deserve it! Heres top hoping we get more of what we deserve."
The Terrorist hates America for what we do around the World? Fine. Then attack the government, not people who have no say in whats goes on in Lebanon, Iraq, Palestine, Afghistan, and Chechnya, etc etc etc. Those people did not deserve to die that day. Anyone who says otherwise is cruel and heartless. It makes me almost sad that our neighbors around the World share this man's views. Wow, I really want to patch up relations now. |
EXACTLY! RIGHT ON!
| MJ wrote: | | Evil and good, all in the eye of the beholder. |
With all due respect, that's bull crap. There are certain standards of good and evil, and this man fits that of the evil.
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| MJ wrote: | | Evil and good, all in the eye of the beholder. |
Tsss, you are silly. The price is wrong Bob!
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Triam_Paris wrote: | Hey, let's hear it from someone who lives in Colorado!
Guess what? I DO, and I know about CU. |
Ha! Now we know wher RM lives.
| Republican Man wrote: | | How the hell can this guy teach at this school? |
Uh... because obviously you know nothing about CU Boulder.
I do, actually, and I know. |
Then there should be no doubt in your mind as to why he's allowed to teach there. Boulderites can get away with anything.
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| Founder wrote: | You're right that he should be allowed to state his views. Take notice that no one is supressing his views. His views are simply evil. Now Im sure someone will counter with "Why are they evil? Because they're different from your views?". No. Because he supports the fact that people, innocent people, died. He feels we "deserved" it. Tell me. What did those people on the plane had to do with Isreal's subjugation of Palestine? The oppression of Lebanon from foriegn powers? Or Russia's oppression of Chechnya? Yes, Muslims are oppressed people. I understand that. What is being done to them around the World is NOT right. But to take it out on innocents who are just trying to live their lives? WRONG. Thats why they are going to pay for their barbaric acts.
People here, mainly the foreigners, say this guy should be allowed to express his views. As Jeremy pointed out, his views are SADLY the same as many nations around the World. Which is sick. Ya'll wonder why we didn't do what you wanted in the UN.
I don't understand why you all are like "Whats the big deal? Its his views." The big deal is hes in AMERICA. Not France. That s**t doesn't fly here. We were attacked and to ok the deaths of innocents is SICKINING. What did you expcet us to say? "Haha. Great views! We sure did deserve it! Heres top hoping we get more of what we deserve."
The Terrorist hates America for what we do around the World? Fine. Then attack the government, not people who have no say in whats goes on in Lebanon, Iraq, Palestine, Afghistan, and Chechnya, etc etc etc. Those people did not deserve to die that day. Anyone who says otherwise is cruel and heartless. It makes me almost sad that our neighbors around the World share this man's views. Wow, I really want to patch up relations now. |
I totally agree, you know Founder, you and me have more in common than previously thought
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| Triam_Paris wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Triam_Paris wrote: | Hey, let's hear it from someone who lives in Colorado!
Guess what? I DO, and I know about CU. |
Ha! Now we know wher RM lives.
| Republican Man wrote: | | How the hell can this guy teach at this school? |
Uh... because obviously you know nothing about CU Boulder.
I do, actually, and I know. |
Then there should be no doubt in your mind as to why he's allowed to teach there. Boulderites can get away with anything. |
I know, and it's ridiculous. You know, DeForest Kelley was a Boulderite and he played our beloved McCoy. Good thing that's irrelivent
| Pah-Wraith wrote: | | Founder wrote: | You're right that he should be allowed to state his views. Take notice that no one is supressing his views. His views are simply evil. Now Im sure someone will counter with "Why are they evil? Because they're different from your views?". No. Because he supports the fact that people, innocent people, died. He feels we "deserved" it. Tell me. What did those people on the plane had to do with Isreal's subjugation of Palestine? The oppression of Lebanon from foriegn powers? Or Russia's oppression of Chechnya? Yes, Muslims are oppressed people. I understand that. What is being done to them around the World is NOT right. But to take it out on innocents who are just trying to live their lives? WRONG. Thats why they are going to pay for their barbaric acts.
People here, mainly the foreigners, say this guy should be allowed to express his views. As Jeremy pointed out, his views are SADLY the same as many nations around the World. Which is sick. Ya'll wonder why we didn't do what you wanted in the UN.
I don't understand why you all are like "Whats the big deal? Its his views." The big deal is hes in AMERICA. Not France. That s**t doesn't fly here. We were attacked and to ok the deaths of innocents is SICKINING. What did you expcet us to say? "Haha. Great views! We sure did deserve it! Heres top hoping we get more of what we deserve."
The Terrorist hates America for what we do around the World? Fine. Then attack the government, not people who have no say in whats goes on in Lebanon, Iraq, Palestine, Afghistan, and Chechnya, etc etc etc. Those people did not deserve to die that day. Anyone who says otherwise is cruel and heartless. It makes me almost sad that our neighbors around the World share this man's views. Wow, I really want to patch up relations now. |
I totally agree, you know Founder, you and me have more in common than previously thought |
I think all three of us agree on this, really.
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Hey, RM, your guy is on the CBS Evening News.
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| Theresa wrote: | | Hey, RM, your guy is on the CBS Evening News. |
Not gonna even bother watching it.
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He has the right to say what he did, but the rest of the U.S. has the right to think of him as a lowlife because of it.
He should have the right to go as far radical as he wishes, but his employer should have the right to fire him if that makes him an unreliable TEACHer.
He certainly hasn't taught anything, he's just become a massive distraction.
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| LightningBoy wrote: | He has the right to say what he did, but the rest of the U.S. has the right to think of him as a lowlife because of it.
He should have the right to go as far radical as he wishes, but his employer should have the right to fire him if that makes him an unreliable TEACHer.
He certainly hasn't taught anything, he's just become a massive distraction. |
Yes, right. Governor Owens said that he should be forced to resign (code word for "fired") too.
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