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Founder
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| MJ wrote: | Pfft, *beep*. I'm not only negative about things. I'm saying there's two sides of to the story.  And less than 10 people out of a million of 16 million, that's just dumb to say that. |
Yeah? And we're showing you there are two sides of ths story. There is a GOOD side to this as well. One that you seem to ignore.
Most of Europe is against the War is what we're trying to say. Based off your posts its safe to say that for you. If you support it, you really suck at getting your point across.
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MJ
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| Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:24 pm |
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Pfft, and what are you basing your views on, 5 members on stv? You're really sucky at making a point that is based on actual facts... (back atcha ) I take it we is you and RM, so you're judging media you have never even seen a single image of? I don't ignore the good side, I just don't post a lot about it. I've mostly posted about torture and such, sure is a bright side to that huh?
I have yet to have a definite opinion on this war, see how it ends up in the future with Iraq.
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Arellia
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| Wed Feb 02, 2005 4:47 pm |
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The European media is rather vocal about showing more of the bad stuff. In fact, most of the people from my area do read a lot of news from European sources and the like, and being that they're rather liberal and many cynical, they think that the U.S. should show more of the bad. It's no secret that the European media is, for the majority, more negative. They seem proud of it, but that's personal opinion. And you talk of our torture. I don't condone it, no, I think it's awful. But have you watched the enemy behead our people? You think that's humane? We certainly haven't stooped to their level of despicable actions, but we are the ones who get ridiculed and pointed at, not the evil-doers taking 20-30 seconds to sever heads. Where's the media's hatred towards them? Where's the yelling and anger over these monsters? No, no...we have to make a ruckus about how awful our soldiers are. Such logic. Um...not.
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Founder
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| Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:32 pm |
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| MJ wrote: | Pfft, and what are you basing your views on, 5 members on stv? You're really sucky at making a point that is based on actual facts... (back atcha ) I take it we is you and RM, so you're judging media you have never even seen a single image of? I don't ignore the good side, I just don't post a lot about it. I've mostly posted about torture and such, sure is a bright side to that huh?
Um...I just said it wasn't based off of the 5 members on the board. But rather the popular outlook of Europe. You don't have to watch European media to know how the people feel. 
You don't ignore the good side? Wow...I had no idea.
I have yet to have a definite opinion on this war, see how it ends up in the future with Iraq. |
You're opinion seems pretty defined.
| Exayla wrote: | | The European media is rather vocal about showing more of the bad stuff. In fact, most of the people from my area do read a lot of news from European sources and the like, and being that they're rather liberal and many cynical, they think that the U.S. should show more of the bad. It's no secret that the European media is, for the majority, more negative. They seem proud of it, but that's personal opinion. And you talk of our torture. I don't condone it, no, I think it's awful. But have you watched the enemy behead our people? You think that's humane? We certainly haven't stooped to their level of despicable actions, but we are the ones who get ridiculed and pointed at, not the evil-doers taking 20-30 seconds to sever heads. Where's the media's hatred towards them? Where's the yelling and anger over these monsters? No, no...we have to make a ruckus about how awful our soldiers are. Such logic. Um...not. |
Well said Exayla. The media never seems to talk about how the terrorists are evil. They seem to depict them as freedom fighters. While we're the evil bad guys.
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
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| Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:47 pm |
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| MJ wrote: | Ok, that is by far the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You have a total black and white view with your "them" and "us", you generalise the whole of Europe into one big opinion, which is *beep*. You also have never ever seen anything that you have and base your on opinion on, do you realise how stupid that is? Maybe you want me to spell it out for you, E-X-T-R-E-M-E-L-Y stupid.
And I'm npt saying that Iraq wasn't freed from Saddam's rule. I've heard several first hand accounts also that they are not too pleased. So really, I don't think it's fair to base anything on that. Unless you're going to hold a representative poll amongst the Iraqi people you can only have a biased opinion on it. |
A general opinion, sorry, and yes, I can make that judgment. It's obvious.
| Founder wrote: | | MJ wrote: | Ok, that is by far the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You have a total black and white view with your "them" and "us", you generalise the whole of Europe into one big opinion, which is *beep*. You also have never ever seen anything that you have and base your on opinion on, do you realise how stupid that is? Maybe you want me to spell it out for you, E-X-T-R-E-M-E-L-Y stupid.
You're from Holland right? So far everyone from Holland on this site is against Bush and the War. I think its safe to say your general population is against it. 
And I'm npt saying that Iraq wasn't freed from Saddam's rule. I've heard several first hand accounts also that they are not too pleased. So really, I don't think it's fair to base anything on that. Unless you're going to hold a representative poll amongst the Iraqi people you can only have a biased opinion on it. |
I like how you only focus on the negative. Do you hear from the Iraqis who are happy to be free? No. You only hear from the ones who don't like the freedom fight. How convienient. You get to hear what you want to hear.... |
Right, exactly. Guess not.
| MJ wrote: | | Pfft, *beep*. I'm not only negative about things. I'm saying there's two sides of to the story. And less than 10 people out of a million of 16 million, that's just dumb to say that. |
Wrong. And no, more Iraqis than those that voted like us.
| Founder wrote: | | MJ wrote: | | Pfft, *beep*. I'm not only negative about things. I'm saying there's two sides of to the story. And less than 10 people out of a million of 16 million, that's just dumb to say that. |
Yeah? And we're showing you there are two sides of ths story. There is a GOOD side to this as well. One that you seem to ignore.
Most of Europe is against the War is what we're trying to say. Based off your posts its safe to say that for you. If you support it, you really suck at getting your point across. |
Amen.
| MJ wrote: | Pfft, and what are you basing your views on, 5 members on stv? You're really sucky at making a point that is based on actual facts... (back atcha ) I take it we is you and RM, so you're judging media you have never even seen a single image of? I don't ignore the good side, I just don't post a lot about it. I've mostly posted about torture and such, sure is a bright side to that huh?
I have yet to have a definite opinion on this war, see how it ends up in the future with Iraq. |
They said that most Iraqis see us as invaders! That's just not true! And the BBC, London papers, French media, and more is biased!
| Exalya wrote: | | The European media is rather vocal about showing more of the bad stuff. In fact, most of the people from my area do read a lot of news from European sources and the like, and being that they're rather liberal and many cynical, they think that the U.S. should show more of the bad. It's no secret that the European media is, for the majority, more negative. They seem proud of it, but that's personal opinion. And you talk of our torture. I don't condone it, no, I think it's awful. But have you watched the enemy behead our people? You think that's humane? We certainly haven't stooped to their level of despicable actions, but we are the ones who get ridiculed and pointed at, not the evil-doers taking 20-30 seconds to sever heads. Where's the media's hatred towards them? Where's the yelling and anger over these monsters? No, no...we have to make a ruckus about how awful our soldiers are. Such logic. Um...not. |
Well put. And good response, Founder.
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