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Theresa
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Brad Pitt's butt, 4 times. Can't go wrong there,  Nah, it was a good movie. I didn't like that Odysseus was the one to come up with the horse idea, since I've always liked him, but, thems the breaks,
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spacemonkey
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| Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:04 pm |
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i dont know if any of u have read/heard the REAL story of troy.. but the ONLY thing i hated about the movie is they got the events ALL wrong!
1) the war was supposed to span over 10 years.. the movie made it look like 3 weeks.
2) achilles dies before the greeks even get into troys walls. he's supposed to have been shot by paris' arrow way before they did in the movie
in the original story, there's supposed to be a big part played by the greek gods.. back then everything involved the gods. okay, the movie woulnt have looked as serious with grek gods playing a part, but that's how the story went!
the ONLY thing i liked about the movie.. it was a totaly naked fest! first brad, then ORLI! *ah! heaven!*
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Alucard
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| Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:08 pm |
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ok the events I agree wif but hte latter half... BAD!
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Theresa
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| Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:18 pm |
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I've given up on accuracy,  But all of the guys were fit, Even the dude who played the Hulk, Eric Bana.
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spacemonkey
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yeh all the guys looked soo good..(i imagine it's coz there was no junk food in 200BC) even eric banna.. here in aust, eric banner's always gonna be known for playing 'poita' a dumb character in an old tv show here.. but in troy, his acting almost out did brad pitt. if brad didnt take his gear off.. eric banna would be the top name in that movie!
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MJ
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By far one of the worst movies I have ever seen, The story was so wrong, the acting wasn't really good. Seemed they had all kinds of big names but no acting to match with it, also they made it into this soap opera. I'm happy I didn't pay to actually see it.
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spacemonkey
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| Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:54 am |
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theres so many movies on the battle of tro.. i gota admit i havent seen any.. there is ONE with i THINK rufus sewell in it that i wouldnt mind seeing.. the lower budget films tend to be more accurate to the actual story.
other than that, MJ u r correct
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Great movie. he big battles where awasome as well as the characters. Never thought Achilles was such an $@#!!*#!@ though.
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Theresa
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| Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:18 am |
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In the Troy movie they had on the USA Network, Achilles was a total ass. Brad Pitt's Achilles, being the main point of the story itself, not the war, not the horse, and not Helen and Paris, was made to be more human. I mean, he cried when Priam came to get Hector's body.
And Menalaus, hated him. Couldn't wait 'til someone killed him.
| Quote: | Achilles was the son of the mortal Peleus and the Nereid Thetis. He was the mightiest of the Greeks who fought in the Trojan War, and was the hero of Homer's Iliad.
Thetis attempted unsuccessfully to make her son immortal. There are two versions of the story. In the earlier version, Thetis anointed the infant with ambrosia and then placed him upon a fire to burn away his mortal portions; she was interrupted by Peleus, whereupon she abandoned both father and son in a rage. Peleus placed the child in the care of the Centaur Chiron, who raised and educated the boy. In the later version, she held the young Achilles by the heel and dipped him in the river Styx; everything the sacred waters touched became invulnerable, but the heel remained dry and therefore unprotected.
When Achilles was a boy, the seer Calchas prophesied that the city of Troy could not be taken without his help. Thetis knew that, if her son went to Troy, he would die an early death, so she sent him to the court of Lycomedes, in Scyros; there he was hidden, disguised as a young girl. During his stay he had an affair with Lycomedes' daughter, Deidameia, and she had a son, Pyrrhus (or Neoptolemus), by him. Achilles' disguise was finally penetrated by Odysseus, who placed arms and armor amidst a display of women's finery and seized upon Achilles when he was the only "maiden" to be fascinated by the swords and shields. Achilles then went willingly with Odysseus to Troy, leading a host of his father's Myrmidons and accompanied by his tutor Phoenix and his close friend Patroclus. At Troy, Achilles distinguished himself as an undefeatable warrior. Among his other exploits, he captured twenty-three towns in Trojan territory, including the town of Lyrnessos, where he took the woman Briseis as a war-prize. Later on Agamemnon, the leader of the Greeks, was forced by an oracle of Apollo to give up his own war-prize, the woman Chryseis, and took Briseis away from Achilles as compensation for his loss. This action sparked the central plot of the Iliad, for Achilles became enraged and refused to fight for the Greeks any further. The war went badly, and the Greeks offered handsome reparations to their greatest warrior; Achilles still refused to fight in person, but he agreed to allow his friend Patroclus to fight in his place, wearing his armor. The next day Patroclus was killed and stripped of the armor by the Trojan hero Hector, who mistook him for Achilles.
Achilles was overwhelmed with grief for his friend and rage at Hector. His mother obtained magnificent new armor for him from Hephaestus, and he returned to the fighting and killed Hector. He desecrated the body, dragging it behind his chariot before the walls of Troy, and refused to allow it to receive funeral rites. When Priam, the king of Troy and Hector's father, came secretly into the Greek camp to plead for the body, Achilles finally relented; in one of the most moving scenes of the Iliad, he received Priam graciously and allowed him to take the body away.
After the death of Hector, Achilles' days were numbered. He continued fighting heroically, killing many of the Trojans and their allies, including Memnon and the Amazon warrior Penthesilia. Finally Priam's son Paris (or Alexander), aided by Apollo, wounded Achilles in the heel with an arrow; Achilles died of the wound. After his death, it was decided to award Achilles' divinely-wrought armor to the bravest of the Greeks. Odysseus and Ajax competed for the prize, with each man making a speech explaining why he deserved the honor; Odysseus won, and Ajax then went mad and committed suicide.
During his lifetime, Achilles is also said to have had a number of romantic episodes. He reportedly fell in love with Penthesilia, the Amazon maiden whom he killed in battle, and it is claimed that he married Medea.
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Maybe if they'd called it Achilles, Since that was basically the story, and the Trojan war was totally secondary.
Was cool that Briseis was the one to kill Agamemnon,
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spacemonkey
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nah in the oriinal story achiles was always a whiney a$$. but he had the gods on his side. the movie could have been done a lot better.. but that first fight scene with achilles and his men on the beach was done SO well! the battles etc were fantastic.. but the story itself sucked!
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