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Republican_Man
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | I am saaaaying that in the United States we don't leave people waiting in limbo land for fair justice  . |
This is DIFFERENT. These are TERRORISTS caught in action, attacking our troops. It's better to be secure than allow people to die. But then again, who cares about lives?
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Jeremy
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| Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:42 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | I agree that some people shouldn't just be let out straight away. But 3 years is too long. Or not long enough if you look at it... - the British people that had been kept there had been there for up to 3 years, but after they got here they were arrested. Then released. Why? Because there wasn't enough evidence to convict them. And that is after 3 years. |
Again I post a point. But I'll highlight a bit relevant to your last post. So presumably they weren't actually, otherwise the evidence would have been easy to show.
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Puck
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| Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:45 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | I am saaaaying that in the United States we don't leave people waiting in limbo land for fair justice . |
This is DIFFERENT. These are TERRORISTS caught in action, attacking our troops. It's better to be secure than allow people to die. But then again, who cares about lives? |
Apparently not us . Let's just let these people roooot their lives away in prision without eeever even getting fair justice. But like you said, who cares about lives  . I mean who are weeee to raise our voices when the government leaves people sit in Gitmo for three years of their lives without fair justice and, being, in my opinion, tortured some of the time.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:07 pm |
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So you saying those evil terrorist deserve a fair trial, hog wash
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Puck
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| Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:10 pm |
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That is exactly what I am saying.
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Founder
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| Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:24 pm |
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I think that everyone does deserve a fair trial. It is hypocritical to say for ALL but only give to SOME. My grief is that its ridiculous to blame the Bush Administration for all of this.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:28 pm |
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Why do terrorists deserve a fair trial? They don't. They're not even covered under the Constitution. Sure, there has to be restrictions, but yeah.
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Arellia
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| Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:30 pm |
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Unfortunately, I think they do deserve "fair" trial, certainly for mere suspects. That crosses a bit of a line. Though, I think they should be punished as harshly as possible once found guilty.
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Theresa
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| Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:35 pm |
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Yeah, unfortunately they do deserve a fair trial. That's why I was unhappy when Saddam was arrested instead of a bullet put through his head, though it's likely his own people are going to make what's left of his life a living hell.
BTW, it is lawful to give them only bread and water, meat 2x a week, I'd have no problem with that. As long as there is humane treatment. (And since most of the prisoners were taken in what most of us would still consider a war zone, and still have significant influence over those who would testify against them, I'm not too worried about holding them for too long. I'd rather hold an innocent too long than to let a monster free to kill again.)
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:40 pm |
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Yeah, Exalya, Theresa, you're right. Although it does not need to happen immidiately. Maybe after a year or so.
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Arellia
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| Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:22 pm |
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Why bother with a trial, if you're going to hold them for a prolonged period anyway? If you know they're guilty, then a trial isn't going to hurt anything. I don't see a reason to wait a year. That certainly takes the fair right out of it... if there's a reason you have to hold them a long time for evidence or something, fine, do it. But not for no reason at all.
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Theresa
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| Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:29 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | Why bother with a trial, if you're going to hold them for a prolonged period anyway? If you know they're guilty, then a trial isn't going to hurt anything. I don't see a reason to wait a year. That certainly takes the fair right out of it... if there's a reason you have to hold them a long time for evidence or something, fine, do it. But not for no reason at all. |
That's basically what I was alluding to.
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MJ
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| Fri Jan 28, 2005 4:18 am |
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And it's just tough luck for the one's that are innocent? It's funny how the one's that got to the UK, (and they are lucky because they were actually from there. Otherwise they would have still been rotting in that place.) all got set free so quickly, where it takes the US three years and no trial.
It's also a bit weird to me, because you are wanting freedom and democracy for the whole world but justice for all isn't a part of that?
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Theresa
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| Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:27 pm |
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Yeah, some of the ones released by the UK were rearrested later for committing even more heinous crimes. And I'm not condemning the UK at all. And there are innocent Americans being held in the court systems right now, here, and abroad. It's all part of life. Nothing is perfect.
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MJ
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| Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:49 pm |
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3 years isn't just short from perfect, it's more like a total tragedy.
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Theresa
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| Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:55 pm |
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Pffft, in the overall span of things, it's a drop in the bucket,
Yeah, things do need to be expedited, but if you want to be thorough... And like I said before, isn't it better than an innocent be held too long than a mass murderer let free to kill again?
And yeah, I know that's easy for me to say, since it's not me or my loved ones. But think about it, they wouldn't have been arrested "just because".
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