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Gitmo Prisoners Attempted Mass Hanging
Monday, January 24, 2005
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico � Twenty-three terror suspects tried to hang or strangle themselves at the U.S. military base in Guantanamo Bay (search) during a mass protest in 2003, the military confirmed Monday.
The incidents came during the same year the camp suffered a rash of suicide attempts after Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller (search) took command of the prison with a mandate to get more information from prisoners accused of links to Al Qaeda or the ousted Afghan Taliban regime that sheltered it.
Between Aug. 18 and Aug. 26, the 23 detainees tried to hang or strangle themselves with pieces of clothing and other items in their cells, demonstrating "self-injurious behavior," the U.S. Southern Command (search) in Miami said in a statement. Ten detainees made a mass attempt on Aug. 22 alone.
U.S. Southern Command described it as "a coordinated effort to disrupt camp operations and challenge a new group of security guards from the just-completed unit rotation."
Guantanamo officials classified two of the incidents as attempted suicides and informed reporters. But they but did not previously release information about the mass hangings and stranglings during that period.
Those incidents were mentioned casually during a visit earlier this month by three journalists, but officials then immediately denied there had been a mass suicide attempt. Further attempts to get details brought a statement Friday night, with some clarifications provided Monday by military officials at Guantanamo Bay and the U.S. Southern Command.
Alistair Hodgett, a spokesman for Amnesty International's office in Washington, was critical Monday of the delay in reporting the incident.
"When you have suicide attempts or so-called self-harm incidents, it shows the type of impact indefinite detention can have, but it also points to the extreme measures the Pentagon is taking to cover up things that have happened in Guantanamo," he said.
"What we've seen is that it wasn't simply a rotation of forces but an attempt to toughen up the interrogation techniques and processes."
Officials said Monday they differentiated between a suicide attempt in which a detainee could have died without intervention and a "gesture" they considered aimed only at getting attention.
Army Gen. Jay Hood, who succeeded Miller as the detention mission's commander last year, has said the number of incidents has decreased since 2003, when the military set up a psychiatric ward.
In 2003, there were 350 "self-harm" incidents, including 120 "hanging gestures," according to Lt. Col. Leon Sumpter, a spokesman for the detention mission.
Last year, there were 110 self-harm incidents, he said.
"The Joint Detention Operations Group continually assesses the camp's population for whom the informal leaders are, the mood of the detainees, and their ability to communicate with each other," Southern Command said in a statement.
"That assessment has enabled the leadership to take numerous measures to reduce the opportunity for detainees to communicate a coordinated self-harm incident, or strike out at another detainee or the guard force."
The military has reported 34 suicide attempts since the camp opened in 2002, including one prisoner going into a coma and sustaining memory loss from brain damage.
Of the 23 men who tried to hang or strangle themselves during the 2003 protest, two required hospital treatment and then were transferred to the psychiatric ward, the military statement said.
Sixteen remain at Guantanamo Bay, while seven were transferred to other countries, the statement said without giving details. Some transferred detainees have been released while others continue to be detained in their native or other countries.
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| Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:01 pm |
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Things in those prisons are terrible. It isn't helping that some of our troops abuse the prisoners.
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MJ
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| Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:10 am |
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The funny thing is that they are there without a trial for the longest period of time. Just like some Iraqi and Afghanistan prisoners. Justice for all in lala-democracy land. 
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:07 pm |
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| MJ wrote: | | The funny thing is that they are there without a trial for the longest period of time. Just like some Iraqi and Afghanistan prisoners. Justice for all in lala-democracy land. |
Why is an " " there? There's no point in that. It's not the right place to put it.
Anyways, the people there are ENEMY COMBATANTS--terrorists captured in war! No, torture is bad and I don't condone it, but we can't draw the line too low. In order to save lives, things such as sleep deprivation and listening to loud music are justified, etc. However torture (like SOME--SOME--of the alleged Gitmo stuff) and intense ABUSE (Abu Grahaib) are NOT to be condoned, and I for one to NOT condone it.
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| Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:11 pm |
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For the last time - it doesn't matter how a person uses smilies, or where. It's getting tedious to have to read it with nearly every responce to someone who uses them.
Thank yoooooooooooooou.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:13 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | For the last time - it doesn't matter how a person uses smilies, or where. It's getting tedious to have to read it with nearly every responce to someone who uses them.
Thank yoooooooooooooou. |
Yes, it does when people put it in a completely improper place, but that was a brief comment. It's irrelevent now. Now please, stick to my points on the topics.
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The smilies are there to use, and you appear to be the only one who lets them bother you. It isn't irrelevent, when you keep bringing it up.
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Theresa
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He's a mod. It's his place to point things like that out. We all know that MJ sticks smilies everywhere, can't take them all personally, now can we?
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:16 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | The smilies are there to use, and you appear to be the only one who lets them bother you. It isn't irrelevent, when you keep bringing it up. |
Okay, fine, but this is the FIRST time I've brought it up in MONTHS!! 
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Theresa
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| Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:18 pm |
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.........we now return you to our regularly scheduled program, which is already in progress....
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MJ
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| Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:25 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | MJ wrote: | | The funny thing is that they are there without a trial for the longest period of time. Just like some Iraqi and Afghanistan prisoners. Justice for all in lala-democracy land. |
Why is an " " there? There's no point in that. It's not the right place to put it.
Anyways, the people there are ENEMY COMBATANTS--terrorists captured in war! No, torture is bad and I don't condone it, but we can't draw the line too low. In order to save lives, things such as sleep deprivation and listening to loud music are justified, etc. However torture (like SOME--SOME--of the alleged Gitmo stuff) and intense ABUSE (Abu Grahaib) are NOT to be condoned, and I for one to NOT condone it. |
So you think staying locked up with even being innocent for THAT long is good democratic practice? I just think it's a nice and decent loophole they found in the law to do such things. Also, how does loud music save lives?
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:27 pm |
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| MJ wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | MJ wrote: | | The funny thing is that they are there without a trial for the longest period of time. Just like some Iraqi and Afghanistan prisoners. Justice for all in lala-democracy land. |
Why is an " " there? There's no point in that. It's not the right place to put it.
Anyways, the people there are ENEMY COMBATANTS--terrorists captured in war! No, torture is bad and I don't condone it, but we can't draw the line too low. In order to save lives, things such as sleep deprivation and listening to loud music are justified, etc. However torture (like SOME--SOME--of the alleged Gitmo stuff) and intense ABUSE (Abu Grahaib) are NOT to be condoned, and I for one to NOT condone it. |
So you think staying locked up with even being innocent for THAT long is good democratic practice? I just think it's a nice and decent loophole they found in the law to do such things. Also, how does loud music save lives? |
It's bothersome--highly so, and some people consider it torture. I do not. And no, they are not innocent. If they were, they wouldn't be enemy combatants, would they?
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MJ
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| Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:28 pm |
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Yeah, but what is it good for? And you never replied to the other thing I pointed out.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:29 pm |
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| MJ wrote: | | Yeah, but what is it good for? And you never replied to the other thing I pointed out. |
It helps to spill information.
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Puck
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| Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:29 pm |
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So much for a timely trial .
No wonder they hate us, we don't practice what we preach  .
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MJ
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| Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:30 pm |
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Is it democratic to lock up somebody for THAT long without a trial? And information on what? Where osama bin laden is, pulease.
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| Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:31 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | So much for a timely trial .
No wonder they hate us, we don't practice what we preach . |
Don't practice what we preach? We aren't practicing torture, and if we are, then those people should be punished.
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Puck
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| Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:34 pm |
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Tsss, "Liberty and justice for all."
I am sure they are wondering when liberty and justice are going to visit Cuba.
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| Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:28 am |
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| MJ wrote: | | Is it democratic to lock up somebody for THAT long without a trial? And information on what? Where osama bin laden is, pulease. |
Yeah...cause you know that kinda information isn't important. 
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | Tsss, "Liberty and justice for all."
I am sure they are wondering when liberty and justice are going to visit Cuba. |
It will visit them when it damn well pleases. These people are murderers. They kill innocents. They kill soldiers. Sorry we aren't breaking our backs to release them.
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Puck
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| Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:33 am |
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Tsss. It doesn't matter who the hell it is. In the United States people are supposed to be brought to justice.
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| Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:34 am |
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U saying those evil people who kill our soldiersm we suppose to turn them over? Heck no.
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Puck
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| Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:36 am |
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I am saaaaying that in the United States we don't leave people waiting in limbo land for fair justice .
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I agree that some people shouldn't just be let out straight away. But 3 years is too long. Or not long enough if you look at it... - the British people that had been kept there had been there for up to 3 years, but after they got here they were arrested. Then released. Why? Because there wasn't enough evidence to convict them. And that is after 3 years.
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MJ
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| Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:17 am |
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| Founder wrote: | | MJ wrote: | | Is it democratic to lock up somebody for THAT long without a trial? And information on what? Where osama bin laden is, pulease. |
Yeah...cause you know that kinda information isn't important.
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Yes, espcially after three years. Oh gee, he might have moved to a different location you know 
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| Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:26 pm |
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Another thing is that they're terror suspects. They may not even have done anything, in the first place. But three years? What a waste of their possibly innocent lives.
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