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 Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:29 pm A Revolution in Evolution Is Underway |
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| Quote: | A Revolution in Evolution Is Underway
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ANN ARBOR, MI � The small town of Dover, Pennsylvania today became the first school district in the nation to officially inform students of the theory of Intelligent Design, as an alternative to Darwin�s theory of Evolution. In what has been called a �measured step�, ninth grade biology students in the Dover Area School District were read a four-paragraph statement Tuesday morning explaining that Darwin�s theory is not a fact and continues to be tested. The statement continued, �Intelligent Design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin�s view.�
Since the late 1950s advances in biochemistry and microbiology, information that Darwin did not have in the 1850s, have revealed that the machine like complexity of living cells - the fundamental unit of life- possessing the ability to store, edit, and transmit and use information to regulate biological systems, suggests the theory of intelligent design as the best explanation for the origin of life and living cells.
Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Law Center, a national public interest law firm representing the school district against an ACLU lawsuit, commented, �Biology students in this small town received perhaps the most balanced science education regarding Darwin�s theory of evolution than any other public school student in the nation. This is not a case of science versus religion, but science versus science, with credible scientists now determining that based upon scientific data, the theory of evolution cannot explain the complexity of living cells.�
�It is ironic that the ACLU after having worked so hard to prevent the suppression of Darwin�s theory in the Scopes trial, is now doing everything it can to suppress any effort to challenge it,� continued Thompson.
The Dover high school assistant superintendent read the four-paragraph one- minute statement to two biology classes this morning totaling 35 students. Teachers reported that there were no problems in class after the statements were read and the entire process was uneventful. Biology classes this afternoon and tomorrow will also hear the statement.
Very few students took advantage of the school provided opportunity to opt out from hearing the statement - an estimated 15 students out of a total of 170. National polls consistently show that most parents want schools to teach alternative theories to evolution. In fact, a November 2004 CBS Poll showed that nearly two-thirds of Americans said they favored teaching creationism alongside evolution in schools.
The ACLU and Americans United sued the Dover Area School District over the policy last December. The School Board selected to the Thomas More Law Center to represent them in the federal lawsuit. In early January, after several depositions of board members and reviewing documents, the ACLU announced they would not seek a court order to immediately block the statement from being read.
Source:http://www.thomasmore.org/news.html?NewsID=281 |
| Republican_Man wrote: | Great news! What say you now, Link?  |
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Puck
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| Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:31 pm |
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As long as they are taught all sides of it there should be no problem. Teaching just evolution, or just "intelligent design" is silly. My middle school and high school already have taught both anyways, but whatever.
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| Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:33 pm |
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I agree. Teaching both should be the way. Not supressing one or the other.
| The Article wrote: | | The small town of Dover, Pennsylvania today became the first school district in the nation to officially inform students of the theory of Intelligent Design, as an alternative to Darwin�s theory of Evolution. |
| The Article wrote: | | Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Law Center, a national public interest law firm representing the school district against an ACLU lawsuit, commented, �Biology students in this small town received perhaps the most balanced science education regarding Darwin�s theory of evolution than any other public school student in the nation. This is not a case of science versus religion, but science versus science, with credible scientists now determining that based upon scientific data, the theory of evolution cannot explain the complexity of living cells.� |
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| Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:32 pm |
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i never thought they would have an alternative too darwins theory so soon. I thought it was great.
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| Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:37 pm |
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Though I am a fervent believer in the Separation of Church and State, I believe that this is wonderful news. A well rounded class, including the theories of all the different schools of thought, is just what our students need. It allows them to make an informed decision about their own faith, or lack thereof.
Terrific. 
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| Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:38 pm |
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In british schools we are only taught evolution and taught it as a fact. Creationism isnt even mentioned. Unless u do Religious education which no one did when i was a school
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Evolution is a THEORY. As is Creationism. They are all THEORIES. That is something that must be stressed to the students. None of these things should be taught as fact.
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| Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:43 pm |
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| Angeldust wrote: | | Evolution is a THEORY. As is Creationism. They are all THEORIES. That is something that must be stressed to the students. None of these things should be taught as fact. |
Agreed. Teach them all and let them decide. Why is this so difficult for some people?
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| Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:44 pm |
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::looks up from reading Robert J. Sawyer::
It's an interesting turn of events, and I don't see any reason to disallow it, eh. However I'm thoroughly dissatisfied with my school system as it is . . . I've already mentioned the lack of time to learn everything, not to mention everything else about our education system.
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I'm not entirely sure. It makes perfect sense.
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| Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:49 pm |
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Even thought its a therory is more or less accepted as fact in the UK. Were much less religious than the US. NOT saying thats a good or bad thing though
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| Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:50 pm |
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| charmed88 wrote: | | Even thought its a therory is more or less accepted as fact in the UK. Were much less religious than the US. NOT saying thats a good or bad thing though |
That IS a good thing
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Hmmm, I thought everyone already knew evolution was a theory? Oh well.
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| Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:59 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Angeldust wrote: | | Evolution is a THEORY. As is Creationism. They are all THEORIES. That is something that must be stressed to the students. None of these things should be taught as fact. |
Agreed. Teach them all and let them decide. Why is this so difficult for some people? |
Because the world is a place where anyone can sue anyone for anything and win.
Just like a Parent who is Muslim or Hindu or Athiest or Christian will sue a school for teaching their children something that has to do with religion or a religion that isnt theirs.
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | Because the world is a place where anyone can sue anyone for anything and win.
Just like a Parent who is Muslim or Hindu or Athiest or Christian will sue a school for teaching their children something that has to do with religion or a religion that isnt theirs. |
Im saying teach every form that is out there. Or if we go with Creationism we don't go by Adam and Eve. We go based off the fact that their is a higher power that created us and the Universe. That wouldn't offend anyone if it wasn't strictly Christian, Hindu, Islam, etc. etc. etc. We delve into a little of all of them. The point is to show there is an alternative to two random asteroids banging into each other and a universe spilling out.
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| Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:31 am |
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I hate to be a prude, an off-topic one at that, but I thought RM was banned from World News? I only say this because the quote of his used was clearly done to cause incitement. Unless he's been unbanned, or something, in which case one would've expected him to post in person.
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Yeah, RM's ban was extended for that stunt.
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I find this a lot better. All we are taught over here is evolution, and it is taught as fact. Hopefully this will come over here and we'll get both.
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| Jeremy wrote: | | I find this a lot better. All we are taught over here is evolution, and it is taught as fact. Hopefully this will come over here and we'll get both. |
I can't see it getting a warm welcome over here, to be honest. I mean, if they teach it, then people will learn it, obviously, but it wont be very popular.
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| Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:26 pm |
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This is stupid. Seperation between church and state. No creation in schools, its total BS.
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| Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:30 pm |
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Tsss. Creationism is just as valid as evolutionism. It is not like they would be pushing it at all. This is like saying, we can't learn about classical China in World History because China practices Confuscianism and Buddhism, we can't read Greek drama, because of ancient Greek religion, and we can't learn about the Roman empire because it involves a mixture of different religions in it's history. I think for most people this is just more of a personal dislike of Christianity. 
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You're right JanewayIsHott. Defiant only says that because he hates Christianity. I guess the idea of its influence spreading makes him cower. Oh well. Too bad. Because this is a great and fair idea. It wouldn't be right just to teach one or the other. You must teach all or nothing.
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| Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:52 pm |
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Exactly. People should always be given options and taught to think for themselves.
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| Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:07 am |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Tsss. Creationism is just as valid as evolutionism. It is not like they would be pushing it at all. This is like saying, we can't learn about classical China in World History because China practices Confuscianism and Buddhism, we can't read Greek drama, because of ancient Greek religion, and we can't learn about the Roman empire because it involves a mixture of different religions in it's history. I think for most people this is just more of a personal dislike of Christianity. |
Actully, no it's not. You're comparing apples to oranges.
Ideas like creationism, adamism and such are not Scientific theories. There is no such way to test that an "All mighty God" created the universe and everything in it. Since they cannot be tested, then they cannot go through the scientific method. If they dont go through the method they cannot be considered theories. And Since They are not scientific theories they have no place in a science class room, where scientific theories are taught.
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Tsss. Creationism is just as valid as evolutionism. It is not like they would be pushing it at all. This is like saying, we can't learn about classical China in World History because China practices Confuscianism and Buddhism, we can't read Greek drama, because of ancient Greek religion, and we can't learn about the Roman empire because it involves a mixture of different religions in it's history. I think for most people this is just more of a personal dislike of Christianity. |
Actully, no it's not. You're comparing apples to oranges.
Ideas like creationism, adamism and such are not Scientific theories. There is no such way to test that an "All mighty God" created the universe and everything in it. Since they cannot be tested, then they cannot go through the scientific method. If they dont go through the method they cannot be considered theories. And Since They are not scientific theories they have no place in a science class room, where scientific theories are taught. |
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