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Captain Dappet
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 Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:38 pm Reformed Euro-Communism |
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Alright, folks. As you all know, I call myself a Communist. But most of you don't know my exact opinions on Communism etc, so I just feel that I need to explain my own Communistic views, and my disagreement with the policies of the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics(U.S.S.R), Red China, Cuba even though they are labelled, and called themselves Communists.
Well, first off, I am indeed a Communist. But I do not label myself as a Leninist, Marxist, Stalinist, Maoist etc.
My branch of Communists is not named yet, since so far, it is only me and a handful of others  I once labelled myself as a "reformed Euro-Communist", so let's go with that here too.
It is my opinion that Communism is the best political standpoint, obviously, but I also believe Communism to be very young and very undeveloped. Communism is far, far, from perfect and what is needed is drastic changes to the very foundations of Communism, and an adaptation to the modern world in which we live.
I have every intention of researching Communism in-depth by reading the work of Mao Tse-Tung, Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, and Lev Trotskij one day, and from their writings develop my own view. My own branch of Communism, that I will try to adapt to the modern world.
Of course, I don't expect to rise to power anywhere, but I am thinking that perhaps I should write a book at some point.
The big fault with Communism in the past has been with the lack of personal and political freedoms in Communist nations; an idea that is largely a part of the Stalinist branch of Communism, and Stalinism is viewed by many Communists as a disgrace and mutilation of the original idea, but by some it is regarded as the best and ONLY Communism allowed. These are usually the ones who make the most noise, and defenitely the ones that has given Communism such a bad reputation.
In the U.S.S.R after the death of Stalin, personal freedoms were improved, but still pretty bad, and the political freedoms remained nearly non-existant. General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev, the last leader of the Soviet Union, made reforms to the Soviet Union(Glasnost and Perestrojka), giving people much more freedom, step by step. Western music and more was now allowed in the U.S.S.R, and because of the Soviet people's long isolation from the rest of the world, they grew impatient, and the Soviet Union eventually fell.
The one Communist state and statesman that I support, is the former Yugoslavia and their leader Josip Broze, better known as Josip Tito. The majority of the Yugoslavian people were pleased with the Communist government and Tito, but when Tito died, the Yugoslavian nation collapsed, and civil war broke out, introducing horrible men such as Slobodan Milosevic to the world.
But, enough of the history lesson. I've said what I wanted now. Feel free to debate with me 
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Puck
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| Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:08 pm |
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For communism to ever work perfectly and actually be a good system, you would need a perfect world. But in a perfect world, you wouldn't need government at all. Although capitalism and democracy has its flaws, in our world, it beats out communism.
But if you can get it to work, then more power to you .
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:39 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | For communism to ever work perfectly and actually be a good system, you would need a perfect world. But in a perfect world, you wouldn't need government at all. Although capitalism and democracy has its flaws, in our world, it beats out communism.
But if you can get it to work, then more power to you . |
Good points. Communism has never worked, and never will. I wish we could continue Reagan's fight against it. But his main "beef," so to speak, was with the USSR, and it's gone. And that's good.
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Captain Dappet
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| Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:01 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | For communism to ever work perfectly and actually be a good system, you would need a perfect world. But in a perfect world, you wouldn't need government at all. Although capitalism and democracy has its flaws, in our world, it beats out communism.
But if you can get it to work, then more power to you . |
Good points. Communism has never worked, and never will. I wish we could continue Reagan's fight against it. But his main "beef," so to speak, was with the USSR, and it's gone. And that's good. |
Where's your spark of hope Republican_Man?  Saying that something will never work, kind of guarantees that it won't doesn't it?
Anyway, as I clearly stated, Communism needs to be drastically changed and adapted to this world, which is, as Kevin said, far from perfect. You can't use the same system as in the U.S.S.R. or China or Cuba, because they don't work. They have some ideas that can be adopted, such as the fact that all people are guaranteed a place to work, but there are so many other things that needs to be changed.
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:07 pm |
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You're ideas are fine, but this just isn't a fair system, like one would think. Those that do little work and/or don't work hard get the same rewards as those that do, and that's not right.
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Hitchhiker
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| Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:14 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Those that do little work and/or don't work hard get the same rewards as those that do, and that's not right. |
Actually, that would be an ideal system . . . except for those who abuse it.
I know what you're getting at, in that there are many people who would essentially milk the system dry without giving anything in return. That is a flaw in communism. What one needs is a check and balance system in place to ensure that those who can't work as hard as those that do will get equal rewards, while those who abuse the system by deliberately not working as hard will not.
It's a fine line. . . .
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:01 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Those that do little work and/or don't work hard get the same rewards as those that do, and that's not right. |
Actually, that would be an ideal system . . . except for those who abuse it.
I know what you're getting at, in that there are many people who would essentially milk the system dry without giving anything in return. That is a flaw in communism. What one needs is a check and balance system in place to ensure that those who can't work as hard as those that do will get equal rewards, while those who abuse the system by deliberately not working as hard will not.
It's a fine line. . . . |
But the government controls everything. That's not right. And the government is always run by a dictator.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:31 pm |
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Uh, no it doesn't. You seem to understand very little about true Communism because you are hung up on Stalin's twisted version of it.
As Dappet put it:
| Quote: | | The big fault with Communism in the past has been with the lack of personal and political freedoms in Communist nations; an idea that is largely a part of the Stalinist branch of Communism, and Stalinism is viewed by many Communists as a disgrace and mutilation of the original idea, but by some it is regarded as the best and ONLY Communism allowed. These are usually the ones who make the most noise, and defenitely the ones that has given Communism such a bad reputation. |
Communism actully works when people decided to put their differences aside and work for a common Goal.
Read B.F. Skinner's Walden Two. Also google Walden Two and read about the communities that Follow the Walden Two style. Though it isn't really Communism, but a version of Behavioral engineering, It shows how Communism is truly supposed to be.
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:35 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | Uh, no it doesn't. You seem to understand very little about true Communism because you are hung up on Stalin's twisted version of it.
As Dappet put it:
| Quote: | | The big fault with Communism in the past has been with the lack of personal and political freedoms in Communist nations; an idea that is largely a part of the Stalinist branch of Communism, and Stalinism is viewed by many Communists as a disgrace and mutilation of the original idea, but by some it is regarded as the best and ONLY Communism allowed. These are usually the ones who make the most noise, and defenitely the ones that has given Communism such a bad reputation. |
Communism actully works when people decided to put their differences aside and work for a common Goal.
Read B.F. Skinner's Walden Two. Also google Walden Two and read about the communities that Follow the Walden Two style. Though it isn't really Communism, but a version of Behavioral engineering, It shows how Communism is truly supposed to be. |
The government runs business. And that's a fact. That's not right. A free-market society is MUCH, MUCH better.
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Hitchhiker
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| Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:05 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | The government runs business. And that's a fact. That's not right. A free-market society is MUCH, MUCH better. |
How so?
Yes, the government owns everything . . . and the people are the government. A free-market society means competition, which means there is ultimately a winner and a loser--wouldn't it be better if everyone won?
However, that addresses another issue of practical implementation of communism: stagnance. In a society without competition such as that provided by free-market economies, you do not encourage adaptation. Adversity does in fact breed a better product.
So we're stuck in a catch-22 of human nature: we want everyone to be equal, to have the same quality of life, and to all contribute to that collective quality. However if we do this, then human society will not advance, because necessity is the mother of invention. There will inevitably be someone who wants to have not only an equal quality of life than everyone else, but a better one, and seek to engage in such competition, ultimately ruining the system.
Hmm . . . okay, so we need a communist system with an economy that still allows for competition without losers . . .
. . . I'm thinking mind-control drugs
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Founder
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| Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:07 am |
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I hate Communism. Its ruined my country.
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Captain Dappet
Forum Revolutionist
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| Sun Jan 16, 2005 6:11 am |
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Hitchhiker: This is what I'm talking about, when I say it needs drastic changes and adaptation to the modern world.
Founder: Karl Marx, the father of Communism, commented on Fidel and Cuba(possibly on the rest of the Communist nations too): "If that is Marxism, then I am no Marxist"
I think that sort of proves that their version is a twisted version like Stalinism.
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MJ
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| Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:31 am |
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So how are you going to support personal freedoms if soceity has to strive as one for one goal?
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:27 pm |
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| MJ wrote: | | So how are you going to support personal freedoms if soceity has to strive as one for one goal? |
Yeah, good point.
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