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Arellia
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| Defiant wrote: | | He doesnt lean left. Hes the biggest pro-republican hater ive ever seen. And you follow his word like law. Well guess what? ITS NOT. Hes a fool. |
HAH. I dislike quite a few of O'Reilly's opinions, which is why I don't go out of my way to read his opinions, if I ever do. I like his stance on secularism, some of his international opinions, but definitely not everything. He's an independent. Neither conservative or liberal, he's middle-of-the-road. He takes different sides depending. I like Savage--also an independent, but WAY conservative--much better opinion-wise. But O'Reilly's no fool, even if he has gotten a little pompous at times.
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Republican_Man
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| Exalya wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | | Its not your place to go against any government. You are no politician. And also, when you say boycott france, you are talking about the entire nation. And half of canada. You cant get around that. |
Yes, it IS my place. If I am a citizen of my country, and I don't like how another country has acted to us, then I will SO do this.
I just mean France, and I buy and using NOTHING from France. And I know, but it's the BEST way to stand against the government. But since when are politicians the only people who can do that? |
No, youre being ignorant. Completely ignorant. You go ahead and boycott France. You know what good it will do? ABSOLUTELY NONE. Does France care that some little kid wont buy their stuff because hes being ignorant? NO. Go ahead, make no difference. |
And vegetarians boycotting meat is much different? It doesn't change much, but they do anyway. There are others boycotting France. So, RM doesn't want to support that government. It won't change much alone, but he's taking a stand the only way he can, with others in support. I agree with it. France gave us the proverbial finger in what they did in the U.N.
As for the topic--United Europe--I see it happening quite soon, and I think it's just another step towards world government and uniformity. Neither of which I like. But oh well, they may do as they like. It was bound to happen eventually. |
Thank you, and yeah, I agree all around.
| Exalya wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | mad_d0ggie wrote: | | What about Russia, are they involved? |
Yes, and I'm on the verge of boycotting them, but they were not AS INVOLVED as France with Oil for Food, so yeah. Along with many other countries, and the Un.
| Defiant wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | | Its not your place to go against any government. You are no politician. And also, when you say boycott france, you are talking about the entire nation. And half of canada. You cant get around that. |
Yes, it IS my place. If I am a citizen of my country, and I don't like how another country has acted to us, then I will SO do this.
I just mean France, and I buy and using NOTHING from France. And I know, but it's the BEST way to stand against the government. But since when are politicians the only people who can do that? |
No, youre being ignorant. Completely ignorant. You go ahead and boycott France. You know what good it will do? ABSOLUTELY NONE. Does France care that some little kid wont buy their stuff because hes being ignorant? NO. Go ahead, make no difference. |
O'Reilly started the boycott, and many have joined in. And no, I'm not "making no difference." Besides, one person CAN make a difference. |
Oh, I see now. OReilly tells you to hate France. And you being the good little republican, listen to the gospel of the "no spin" fairy. Good job. |
"Good Little Republicans" wouldn't listen to O'Reilly on everything, he leans too far left sometimes. And he didn't tell anyone to hate France, he presented his opinion, and used facts to back it up. I'm mad at France, and I never listen/watch O'Reilly. I see what they've done, and it's not pleasant.
--EDIT-- RM, I know, said most of the stuff I just did. Happened to post at the same time, one must note. *cough* Anyhow. |
| Defiant wrote: | | He doesnt lean left. Hes the biggest pro-republican hater ive ever seen. And you follow his word like law. Well guess what? ITS NOT. Hes a fool. |
Yeah, and I'm Michael Moore! He's NOT CONSERVATIVE. For instance, he's an environmentalist. And the way he presents new in Iraq is like JanewayIsHott. It's DISGUSTING.
And no, I do NOT follow his word like law! I don't think he's right on issues like the Enivironment and Iraq. He's believing that we were mistaken and there ARE NO WMDs and WERE NONE in Iraq, and that it's all chaos. Which it's NOT!
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Republican_Man
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| Exalya wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | | He doesnt lean left. Hes the biggest pro-republican hater ive ever seen. And you follow his word like law. Well guess what? ITS NOT. Hes a fool. |
HAH. I dislike quite a few of O'Reilly's opinions, which is why I don't go out of my way to read his opinions, if I ever do. I like his stance on secularism, some of his international opinions, but definitely not everything. He's an independent. Neither conservative or liberal, he's middle-of-the-road. He takes different sides depending. I like Savage--also an independent, but WAY conservative--much better opinion-wise. But O'Reilly's no fool, even if he has gotten a little pompous at times. |
I agree, but I think Savage is not independent minded, but a Conservative. But yes, agreed. And his stance on Border Security's good, too.
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Arellia
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| Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:49 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | | He doesnt lean left. Hes the biggest pro-republican hater ive ever seen. And you follow his word like law. Well guess what? ITS NOT. Hes a fool. |
HAH. I dislike quite a few of O'Reilly's opinions, which is why I don't go out of my way to read his opinions, if I ever do. I like his stance on secularism, some of his international opinions, but definitely not everything. He's an independent. Neither conservative or liberal, he's middle-of-the-road. He takes different sides depending. I like Savage--also an independent, but WAY conservative--much better opinion-wise. But O'Reilly's no fool, even if he has gotten a little pompous at times. |
I agree, but I think Savage is not independent minded, but a Conservative. But yes, agreed. And his stance on Border Security's good, too. |
Savage is independent minded in that he doesn't go for the Republicans or the Democrats overly much, he's just very conservative. I consider that independent, in its own way.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:02 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | | He doesnt lean left. Hes the biggest pro-republican hater ive ever seen. And you follow his word like law. Well guess what? ITS NOT. Hes a fool. |
HAH. I dislike quite a few of O'Reilly's opinions, which is why I don't go out of my way to read his opinions, if I ever do. I like his stance on secularism, some of his international opinions, but definitely not everything. He's an independent. Neither conservative or liberal, he's middle-of-the-road. He takes different sides depending. I like Savage--also an independent, but WAY conservative--much better opinion-wise. But O'Reilly's no fool, even if he has gotten a little pompous at times. |
I agree, but I think Savage is not independent minded, but a Conservative. But yes, agreed. And his stance on Border Security's good, too. |
Savage is independent minded in that he doesn't go for the Republicans or the Democrats overly much, he's just very conservative. I consider that independent, in its own way. |
I agree with that. And O'Reilly's a middle-of-the-road independent. Michael Moore, though, is a socialist. Not an independent.
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Defiant
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RM, you are quite possibly the worst debater in WN. You simply agree with every single thing that you like. And you attack everyone elses. You should offer criticism, even when the point agrees with you. But mostly, youre saying "I agree" all the time is REALLY ANNOYING.
And youre still a racist. I thought you of all people were much better than that.
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| Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:08 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | RM, you are quite possibly the worst debater in WN. You simply agree with every single thing that you like. And you attack everyone elses. You should offer criticism, even when the point agrees with you. But mostly, youre saying "I agree" all the time is REALLY ANNOYING.
And youre still a racist. I thought you of all people were much better than that. |
Uh, no. Not recently. But if I agree with something, WHY CAN'T I SAY IT? And you KNOW that I am a good debater. And racist? You know, that's the 20 thousandth time I've been called that for 3 reasons:
1. Stance on Illegal Immigration and border security
2. Support for Rush Limbaugh during the McNab controversy
3. Boycott of France
And what do you know? It's always been BY LIBERALS!
YOU are annoying, sir. You KNOW I'm winning, and you just can't take that. And your post had no real point, EXCEPT to attack me.
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Puck
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Ugh...don't even start on Rush Limbaugh...what a hypocrit he is. My dad listens to him and I can't stand it!
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Arellia
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| Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:14 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | RM, you are quite possibly the worst debater in WN. You simply agree with every single thing that you like. And you attack everyone elses. You should offer criticism, even when the point agrees with you. But mostly, youre saying "I agree" all the time is REALLY ANNOYING.
And youre still a racist. I thought you of all people were much better than that. |
Uh, no. Not recently. But if I agree with something, WHY CAN'T I SAY IT? And you KNOW that I am a good debater. And racist? You know, that's the 20 thousandth time I've been called that for 3 reasons:
1. Stance on Illegal Immigration and border security
2. Support for Rush Limbaugh during the McNab controversy
3. Boycott of France
And what do you know? It's always been BY LIBERALS!
YOU are annoying, sir. You KNOW I'm winning, and you just can't take that. And your post had no real point, EXCEPT to attack me. |
RM is free to agree with something, and point it out very plainly if he disagrees. It's part of debating, and being that energetic about it is a good thing. And he can't very well be racist towards himself. And he certainly isn't towards me or Dan, both of which are part French. Disliking a nation isn't racism unless you treat individuals with discrimination, and he doesn't. Many Europeans, however, dislike America and are racist towards us. RM doesn't react in that way.
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Kyre
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| Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:18 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | Many Europeans, however, dislike America and are racist towards us. RM doesn't react in that way. |
No, they, or should I say we, merely hate Bush. There is no hatred towards your average American citizen. Indeed, whilst Americans are portrayed in many less than loveable lights, when I visited I didn't find a single example and very much enjoyed my stay. I wish to return soon.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:19 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | RM, you are quite possibly the worst debater in WN. You simply agree with every single thing that you like. And you attack everyone elses. You should offer criticism, even when the point agrees with you. But mostly, youre saying "I agree" all the time is REALLY ANNOYING.
And youre still a racist. I thought you of all people were much better than that. |
Uh, no. Not recently. But if I agree with something, WHY CAN'T I SAY IT? And you KNOW that I am a good debater. And racist? You know, that's the 20 thousandth time I've been called that for 3 reasons:
1. Stance on Illegal Immigration and border security
2. Support for Rush Limbaugh during the McNab controversy
3. Boycott of France
And what do you know? It's always been BY LIBERALS!
YOU are annoying, sir. You KNOW I'm winning, and you just can't take that. And your post had no real point, EXCEPT to attack me. |
RM is free to agree with something, and point it out very plainly if he disagrees. It's part of debating, and being that energetic about it is a good thing. And he can't very well be racist towards himself. And he certainly isn't towards me or Dan, both of which are part French. Disliking a nation isn't racism unless you treat individuals with discrimination, and he doesn't. Many Europeans, however, dislike America and are racist towards us. RM doesn't react in that way. |
Exactly. You could ask Pah about that. I remember when I had my Jewish friend here a while back, and we were debating Israel. He was talking about the same thing towards Israel, being not Anti-Jewish but not Anti-Israel, and I agree that there is such a thing.
And no, he's a great man and a truth teller--heck, he's America's Truth Detector! El Rushbo! And so I say, Megadittos to you! 
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Puck
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To bad they couldn't put that harsher penalties for druggy agenda he likes in place when they caught him with drugs  .
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Defiant
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| Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:22 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | RM, you are quite possibly the worst debater in WN. You simply agree with every single thing that you like. And you attack everyone elses. You should offer criticism, even when the point agrees with you. But mostly, youre saying "I agree" all the time is REALLY ANNOYING.
And youre still a racist. I thought you of all people were much better than that. |
Uh, no. Not recently. But if I agree with something, WHY CAN'T I SAY IT? And you KNOW that I am a good debater. And racist? You know, that's the 20 thousandth time I've been called that for 3 reasons:
1. Stance on Illegal Immigration and border security
2. Support for Rush Limbaugh during the McNab controversy
3. Boycott of France
And what do you know? It's always been BY LIBERALS!
YOU are annoying, sir. You KNOW I'm winning, and you just can't take that. And your post had no real point, EXCEPT to attack me. |
Winning? Hardly.
Now get back on the subject!!!
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:37 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | To bad they couldn't put that harsher penalties for druggy agenda he likes in place when they caught him with drugs . |
This isn't the time, nor the place, to discuss this.
But either way, Rush has faced a double standard.
| Defiant wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | RM, you are quite possibly the worst debater in WN. You simply agree with every single thing that you like. And you attack everyone elses. You should offer criticism, even when the point agrees with you. But mostly, youre saying "I agree" all the time is REALLY ANNOYING.
And youre still a racist. I thought you of all people were much better than that. |
Uh, no. Not recently. But if I agree with something, WHY CAN'T I SAY IT? And you KNOW that I am a good debater. And racist? You know, that's the 20 thousandth time I've been called that for 3 reasons:
1. Stance on Illegal Immigration and border security
2. Support for Rush Limbaugh during the McNab controversy
3. Boycott of France
And what do you know? It's always been BY LIBERALS!
YOU are annoying, sir. You KNOW I'm winning, and you just can't take that. And your post had no real point, EXCEPT to attack me. |
Winning? Hardly.
Now get back on the subject!!! |
Who brought us off, now? And yes I am, and you know it.
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And you wish. Continue debate sucka.
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Im a little confused. Are we talkin about a unified one government Europe? Or United States merging with this unified government?
I don't know. It sounds interesting. Depends on how it works. Although im against the United States joining it.
How is boycotting France worse than what Dirt did to RM? He called his father Hitler. Which BTW I believe you laughed at.
France is annoying as hell anyways. The countless times we helped those people in the past. This is how they repay us? Ungrateful bastards.
Uh oh! Look out! Im a racist now! French are allowed to say Americans are stupid and they are ok but if I don't like how the French have treated us then im a racist!
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Andy, youre not calling to boycott France. Youre just being a putz. RM is a racist.
ANYWAYS, all the nation states in Europe have already joined together, to form one economic system. One political system is not far off. Its the whole Euro thing. THey have an economic parliament in Brussels. And they have taken steps to unify politically as well, the only holdups are France and England, who agree, but want to wait awhile.
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| Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:35 am Re: The United States...of Europe! |
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| Defiant wrote: | This idea is not as farfetches as one would think! The United States of Eurore is on its way. They have already come together economically, with a economic parliament in Brussels (Netherlands), and just need to come together politically. This is going to happen, all parties have essentially agreed, and are taking small strides toward it. They will have the coolest thing ever, a REGIONAL WORLD GOVERNMENT.
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WOW,WOW,WOW! Brussels(netherlands)? Excuse me but Brussels is the Capital of Belgium.
And we don't have states in Europe. but i wouldn't mind having Europe being ruled by 1 government, might take a while before that truly happens though.
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I don't see the point of boycotting France. You're only hurting the people, not the government.
And France has helped us in the past, too. Without them, we wouldn't be an independent country today, or at least it wouldn't have happend when it did.
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Republican_Man
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | I don't see the point of boycotting France. You're only hurting the people, not the government.
And France has helped us in the past, too. Without them, we wouldn't be an independent country today, or at least it wouldn't have happend when it did. |
The past is different. We started the Un, but does that mean it's good? NO. The past is irrelivant.
When a government is screwing us, we have to take a stand. And hurting their economy is the best way to do it.
And yeah, Defiant, I'm racist against myself, Exalya, Val, and more, for sure. Right. Oh, and this Conservative French ex-patriot FROM France. Right. Yep, and I'm Michael Moore.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | When a government is screwing us, we have to take a stand. And hurting their economy is the best way to do it. |
What about negotiation?
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| Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | When a government is screwing us, we have to take a stand. And hurting their economy is the best way to do it. |
What about negotiation? |
Too late for that. And me? I can't negotiate with their government, anyways. Until they change, I'm boycotting them.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | When a government is screwing us, we have to take a stand. And hurting their economy is the best way to do it. |
What about negotiation? |
Too late for that. And me? I can't negotiate with their government, anyways. Until they change, I'm boycotting them. |
Couldn't negotiation result in change?
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Arellia
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| Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:33 pm |
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| Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | When a government is screwing us, we have to take a stand. And hurting their economy is the best way to do it. |
What about negotiation? |
Too late for that. And me? I can't negotiate with their government, anyways. Until they change, I'm boycotting them. |
Couldn't negotiation result in change? |
Negotiation of what? They said no in the U.N., we asked them for help. No. They like the word a lot, unless they're talking to a certain dictator about bribes. If negotiations would bring anything, that'd be great. But most citizens can't do much about that. Boycotting is a personal choice of trying to make a difference when there's no other way.
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| Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:42 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | When a government is screwing us, we have to take a stand. And hurting their economy is the best way to do it. |
What about negotiation? |
Too late for that. And me? I can't negotiate with their government, anyways. Until they change, I'm boycotting them. |
Couldn't negotiation result in change? |
Negotiation of what? They said no in the U.N., we asked them for help. No. They like the word a lot, unless they're talking to a certain dictator about bribes. If negotiations would bring anything, that'd be great. But most citizens can't do much about that. Boycotting is a personal choice of trying to make a difference when there's no other way. |
EXACTLY. Superb points, and you're 100% right.
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