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Jeff Miller
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Just currious say if by some miracle Iraq is free before Bush leaves office and he wants to take on another country.... (Like that wouldn't happen  ) Will everyone here who supports the Iraq war be willing to want the next war? Under such shady circumstances?
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:31 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | Why do you keep bringing political parties into it?
I know plenty of people on all sides that disagree with this war. |
Do we have a Liberal party in the US? No. Then no, I'm not.
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But, fact is, the LIBS ARE LEADING IN THIS ATTACK, etc! THEY are the ones undermining this effort in this country!
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:34 pm |
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Give proof for your baseless accusations.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:36 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | Give proof for your baseless accusations. |
Michael Moore, Al Franken, oh, and, um, there are 17 congressman whom I can't remember they're names, Ted Kennedy, Libs at my school and on this site, and more.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:38 pm |
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Notice how I said Proof.
Blaming people like Michael Moore, who is an idiot and the democratic party wants nothing to do with him , isn't proof. It's just another way to dodge a question.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:40 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | Notice how I said Proof.
Blaming people like Michael Moore, who is an idiot and the democratic party wants nothing do do with, isn't proof. It's just another way to dodge a question. |
NOTHING TO DO WITH? What! He sat NEXT TO JIMMIE CARTER AT THE CONVENTION!
And look up some quotes from Ted Kennedy, such as him calling Bush a liar ("Lie after lie after lie"), etc, and just yesterday 16 congressmen were calling for the US to leave Iraq NOW, just 17 days before the election. Al Franken rants about such things in his book (of lies, himself) and more. They're full of it.
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Founder
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| Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:42 pm |
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Notice how they ignored my posts? I told you no one could answer my questions.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:45 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | no, I didn't neglect others, I brought up one point that proved you wrong.
Simple, concise and to the point.
I'll grab the other official reports after work. |
Yes you did neglect the others. There is no sense in acting like a child about it.
I think that there are WMD in Iraq. Just because we haven't found them doesn't mean that they aren't there. I wish ONE person could answer this.
Why is it so hard to believe that he didn't either:
A) Sold them
B) Hid them(His country is a giant desert.)
C) Dismantle them
D) Smuggle them out of the country |
I know, Founder. Exactly. They can't take the questions. And my proof. Our reasons were justified, and WMDs were in Iraq.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:06 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: |
I know, Founder. Exactly. They can't take the questions. And my proof. Our reasons were justified, and WMDs were in Iraq. |
Well if your "proof" wasn't as biased as you are then maybe people would accept it. You have to give proof that would be agreed upon by both sides.
I was actully trying to think of an answer to those questions without coming off like a complete jacka**.
| Founder wrote: | Why is it so hard to believe that he didn't either:
A) Sold them
If he did Central intelligence would know. Sales of high class WMD's are watched by operatives all over the world.
B) Hid them(His country is a giant desert.)
There's not much our Satellites are not able to pick up. Any mass movements would have been noticed immediately. Besides, any biological, chemical or nuclear weapon, if not stored properly, becomes useless. It will break down to the point where it is no longer a threat.
C) Dismantle them
[b]That's what he was doing after the Gulf War, or a least what he was supposed to be doing.
D) Smuggle them out of the country
Again, a mass exodus of large trucks would have been, and were if I remember correctly, noticed by Satellite surveliance. |
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Puck
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| Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:15 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: |
I was actully trying to think of an answer to those questions without coming off like a complete jacka**.
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Gosh, no one else is concerned about coming off as an ass . Might as well just speak your mind and get it out  .
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| Founder wrote: | Why is it so hard to believe that he didn't either:
A) Sold them
If he did Central intelligence would know. Sales of high class WMD's are watched by operatives all over the world.
B) Hid them(His country is a giant desert.)
There's not much our Satellites are not able to pick up. Any mass movements would have been noticed immediately. Besides, any biological, chemical or nuclear weapon, if not stored properly, becomes useless. It will break down to the point where it is no longer a threat.
C) Dismantle them
[b]That's what he was doing after the Gulf War, or a least what he was supposed to be doing.
D) Smuggle them out of the country
Again, a mass exodus of large trucks would have been, and were if I remember correctly, noticed by Satellite surveliance. |
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All very valid points which seem as though they could be highly likely. They were able to catch weapons being moved with supposedly "mobile sites". So yeah, it is logical they would see other weapons being exported out of the country. Of course, then again, there are lots of ways to get past stuff.
Of course...none of that matters now, what we really need to be concerned about is getting Iraq stable. If they don't get any better than they are currently, there is going to be too much instability and violence to maintain a democracy. Hopefully Bush can get it together. I really wish Rumsfeld was leaving the team and Colin Powell was staying...but whatever.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:26 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Link, the Hero of Time wrote: |
I was actully trying to think of an answer to those questions without coming off like a complete jacka**.
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Gosh, no one else is concerned about coming off as an ass . Might as well just speak your mind and get it out .
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| Founder wrote: | Why is it so hard to believe that he didn't either:
A) Sold them
If he did Central intelligence would know. Sales of high class WMD's are watched by operatives all over the world.
B) Hid them(His country is a giant desert.)
There's not much our Satellites are not able to pick up. Any mass movements would have been noticed immediately. Besides, any biological, chemical or nuclear weapon, if not stored properly, becomes useless. It will break down to the point where it is no longer a threat.
C) Dismantle them
[b]That's what he was doing after the Gulf War, or a least what he was supposed to be doing.
D) Smuggle them out of the country
Again, a mass exodus of large trucks would have been, and were if I remember correctly, noticed by Satellite surveliance. |
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All very valid points which seem as though they could be highly likely. They were able to catch weapons being moved with supposedly "mobile sites". So yeah, it is logical they would see other weapons being exported out of the country. Of course, then again, there are lots of ways to get past stuff.
Of course...none of that matters now, what we really need to be concerned about is getting Iraq stable. If they don't get any better than they are currently, there is going to be too much instability and violence to maintain a democracy. Hopefully Bush can get it together. I really wish Rumsfeld was leaving the team and Colin Powell was staying...but whatever. |
I like Rumsfeld. He should stay.
| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: |
I know, Founder. Exactly. They can't take the questions. And my proof. Our reasons were justified, and WMDs were in Iraq. |
Well if your "proof" wasn't as biased as you are then maybe people would accept it. You have to give proof that would be agreed upon by both sides.
I was actully trying to think of an answer to those questions without coming off like a complete jacka**.
| Founder wrote: | Why is it so hard to believe that he didn't either:
A) Sold them
If he did Central intelligence would know. Sales of high class WMD's are watched by operatives all over the world.
B) Hid them(His country is a giant desert.)
There's not much our Satellites are not able to pick up. Any mass movements would have been noticed immediately. Besides, any biological, chemical or nuclear weapon, if not stored properly, becomes useless. It will break down to the point where it is no longer a threat.
C) Dismantle them
[b]That's what he was doing after the Gulf War, or a least what he was supposed to be doing.
D) Smuggle them out of the country
Again, a mass exodus of large trucks would have been, and were if I remember correctly, noticed by Satellite surveliance. |
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Just the other day Ted Kennedy was calling this "George Bush's Vietnam," which he radically opposed in the 70s, and ironically was started by his brother. There is tons more rhetoric coming from your side, so don't give me that. I don't think the war could have been more politicized thanks to the left-wingers.
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Puck
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| Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:30 pm |
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Ugh...Rumsfeld is like a sophisticated version of my grandpa...controlling the nations defense...if you knew my grandpa, that would scare you too . He is so hawkish, and doesn't listen to anyyyyone, plus he alienates practically everyone who doesn't see eye to eye with him. Too bad he is the only one Bush listens to .
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:32 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Ugh...Rumsfeld is like a sophisticated version of my grandpa...controlling the nations defense...if you knew my grandpa, that would scare you too . He is so hawkish, and doesn't listen to anyyyyone. Too bad he is the only one Bush listens to . |
Wow. You really don't like Bush anymore, do you? You were just one of those "anybody but Kerry people," huh? I mean "the only one Bush listens to!" Balony!
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LightningBoy
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| Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:55 pm |
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Proof is that of all senators who are currently against the War in Iraq, only one is Republican. The countless others are Democrats.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:57 pm |
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| LightningBoy wrote: | | Proof is that of all senators who are currently against the War in Iraq, only one is Republican. The countless others are Democrats. |
Yes. However, Lieberman still supports it.
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Puck
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| Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:37 am |
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| LightningBoy wrote: | | Proof is that of all senators who are currently against the War in Iraq, only one is Republican. The countless others are Democrats. |
Since when do people have to agree with everything the President does?
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:48 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | LightningBoy wrote: | | Proof is that of all senators who are currently against the War in Iraq, only one is Republican. The countless others are Democrats. |
Since when do people have to agree with everything the President does? |
They don't. But in the case of Iraq, all you get are Dems in congress thrashing it (aside from Lieberman) and truly, in actuality, all of this attack montra is undermining the war effort.
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