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PostTue Nov 16, 2004 11:03 pm    �Phantom of The Opera� new motion picture

Looks like this one�s going to be a hit!

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PostFri Nov 19, 2004 12:53 am    

whoops - i'm sorry. i didn't mean to post twice!! I did scroll down and look, but i didn't see this post! Hehe, whoops! I can't wait to see it!!


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PostFri Nov 19, 2004 11:41 am    

The trailer looks amazing. I hope it does well.

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PostFri Nov 19, 2004 5:43 pm    

Love the original from the 1930's. Some of the remakes were pretty good too. I must admit, the trailer does look appealing.

Trivia: Robert Englund appeared in a Phantom of the Opera movie in the early 90's.


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PostSun Nov 21, 2004 6:33 pm    

I've seen the musical twice on Broadway and it's awesome. The movie looks pretty good! Granted it won't have the same "chandilier actually falling right above your head" or "feeling the intense heat when the stage erupts in to flames after the graveyard scene" or "the phantom actually coming and singing in box 5 where you're sitting" effect. but I have high hopes for the musical-movie

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PostMon Nov 22, 2004 1:43 am    

omg you make me SOO excited to see the musical again!! I've seen it 4 times now! OMG SOOO GOOD!!! I get to see it again in January and i CANNOT WAIT!! But i totally agree w/ you how the movie will be nothing compared to the actual musical itself!


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PostTue Nov 30, 2004 12:58 am    

Dec 22nd baby!!!!!!!!!!!!


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PostWed Dec 01, 2004 10:15 pm    

The final trailer is out!! The beginning of it is the same as the Japanese trailer, but there's a bit more that's different. They also have actual singing in this trailer. Anyways, go here to the official site, and then you can click on "trailer" to be able to see the new one. I can't wait till they get actual clips from the movie posted.
www.phantomthemovie.warnerbros.com

Anyways, i thought i'd share my excitment with the rest of you that my aunt gave my mom and I our tickets to see Phantom the national tour group again in Madison on Jan!! YIpPI!!



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PostWed Dec 15, 2004 12:28 pm    

Only 7 more days!!! YIPPIE I CAN'T WAIT!!


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PostTue Dec 21, 2004 10:09 pm    

Comes out tomorrow!!! Who all is going to see it?!?! MEEEEEEEE!!


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PostWed Dec 22, 2004 5:08 pm    

I'm going to see it in an hour and a half. We'll see... the article in the paper was titled "see Phantom for spectacle, not story" and it got a B. but our paper rarely gives good reviews. so...

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PostWed Dec 22, 2004 7:48 pm    

I have to wait till the 10:10pm show to go see it b/c my mom wanted to go with, and she won't be home till around 9ish.. grr! Oh well... better sometime than never at all.. besides, i'm enjoying the anticipation. I bought the tickets yesterday though.. hehe... never hurts to be prepared!


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PostWed Dec 22, 2004 10:01 pm    

Alright, I just got back from it and... I'll have to agree with the papers. It gets a B... maybe even a B minus. The singing wasn't nearly up to par with where it could have been. I don't know... maybe they have trouble finding singers that can act on film. But Raoul was a creepy woman-type. The Phantom... I actually liked him, but everyone knows that no one lives up to Michael Crawford. How could they? Christine was pretty good, I'll give them that. She reminds me incredibly of my friend Nola who will also be a famous singer someday . Haha... my brother's girlfriend really liked the Phantom though, she said "he was hot and this was the first time I thought I would actually stay with the Phantom instead of going with Raoul." The cinematography sucked, though.... as did the coreography IMO. And... last but not least... the chandilier dropped at the wrong time! What the heck!? Anyway.. like I said before, nothing beats seeing it on stage. That's why it's a musical play, it's meant for stage, not film. But it was pretty good in parts. B-.

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PostThu Dec 23, 2004 2:50 am    

Yea i think i have to agree with you. I will give it between a B and a B+ I think. First off NOTHING beats a live performance by far!! There were times where i wish Christine's voice, and a few times the Phantom sounded stronger. Raoul was actully one of my favorites for the singing aspect. Very good if you ask me. The rest were wonderful too, but I really liked Raoul's voice consistantly throughout it. Omg, i totally thought the Phantom was gorgeous too. Haha, I think i may have gone for him over Raoul too.

Here's some stuff that bugged me:
-Raoul and the Phantom were talking in American accents
-i thought the very beginning w/ Carlotta singing before the backdrop came down was almost too busy, and it was really hard to follow w/ the new owners coming in and all, and Carlotta deciding to quit - even knowing the story by heart, it was hard to follow on screen (just that one part though)
-The chandelier falling at the wrong time (although it did work out. I was wondering what they were gonna do in the Maqsuarade song b/c i knew there was a line about it "to a prosperous year, and the new chandalier" They changed it to "and all friends that are here"... good cover up!)
-They took out the 2nd "notes" scene. They had the Phantom speaking what he wrote in his note in the 2nd notes scene put into the masquarade scene. That too ended up working out really well. What they did do though that I didn't like, was after the graveyard scene, all of a sudden they flash to Raoul saying "this is what we're gonna do, i'll be in box 5...etc" and then that's the end of that. Right as Mdm. Giry was about to start her lines, she opened her mouth, and they ended the scene. I missed how before in the musical, like it was all the principle cast together, and Christine is sitting there w/ all these people arguing about what they should do about the phantom, and then what she is going to have to do (really w/out her say). Then she bursts out "This is mad!" I'm SOOO happy they didn't take out her stuff though where she says "twisted everyway what answer can i give? am i to risk my life to win the chance to live......." That's my absolute most favorite part and I would've died had they taken it out.
-They also took out the rehearsal scene of Don Juan, before Christine goes to the cemetary.
- I wished they would've included the Phantom's little threats that he says all calmly like it's no big deal: "a disaster beyond your imagination will occur.
- I didn't like only one "notes" scene

I liked:
-How they went back and forth between old "black and white" Raoul and Madam Giry, kinda him reminissing, then back to the story.
-The hall of mirrors was added in from the book!!
- I liked how everything the Phantom did, all the tricks and whatnot, were given an unspoken explanation on how he did it, like he really was just a human, and made him a much more believable character. What i mean is like w/ the mirror trick before the song "The Phantom of the Opera", you see a short clip of Meg afterwards seeing that the mirror is a 2way mirror, and it slides. Also like when the the Phantom switches the mouth spray, or whatever that is, before Carlotta gets the frog in her throat.... simple explanation of how that happens. Another is you see him cut the ropes to the chandalier - it doesn't just magically fall by itself.
- I liked how it was explained more on where the phantom came from. I already knew the story behind it all from the book, but it was just nice to see it on the big screen, so other ppl could understand. People always ask me questions like "where did he come from...blah blah blah." I liked how they really emphasised that Mdm. Giry knew stuff about the Phantom too, but like she silently knew.
- I was curious as to how they would do the 1st "notes" scene where they sing "Prima Donna". They took out completely some of the voices that are a part of the whole big group singing together, to really emphasise what one individual would be singing at the time. For the big screen, and for those who don't know the story, or what's being sung, i think that was a smart idea.
-I loved how when we suddenly just heard the phantom's voice, not sure of where it was coming from (such as: the Phantom calling to Christine in the graveyard.... amongst other scenes) it was kinda spooky and ghostly, and in the theatre w/ the surround sound, it was just really cool!!!
-I loved the trap door w/ the phantom and christine in "The Point of No Return".
-I do have to say that every single one of the major songs were absolutly wonderful!! "Think of Me" "All I Ask Of You" "Wishing You Were Somehow Here Again" "Angel of Music" "Phantom of the Opera" "Point of No Return" "Prima Donna"..etc.. The only thing that bugged me about a few of them were the dynamics at only certain parts, but other than that... wonderful!!!
- I really really did love the ending on how Raoul got the monkey to bring to Christine's grave. Omg, i teared up on that part. That was one thing i really liked!! I also like how you saw the rose w/ the ring around it sitting to the side of the headstone too - very good touch.


So yea, overall I enjoyed it. I would much rather see it performed live on stage, but it is nice to have a movie of it out now. It is something I will be buying when it comes out on DVD. I can't say it will be one of my favs, just b/c i've got the images and songs of the live performances still and always with me, but it is something that i will be able to appreciate and enjoy.

I know i have more to say about it, but am too tired to think of anything else now. When it comes to me, i will post it. So yea... that's that!



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PostThu Dec 23, 2004 2:42 pm    

Alright. My turn to be the cynic sorry, no offense, it's jsut what I do.

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I liked:
-How they went back and forth between old "black and white" Raoul and Madam Giry, kinda him reminissing, then back to the story.

That was really obviously and poorly copied from Moulin Rouge

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- I liked how everything the Phantom did, all the tricks and whatnot, were given an unspoken explanation on how he did it, like he really was just a human, and made him a much more believable character. What i mean is like w/ the mirror trick before the song "The Phantom of the Opera", you see a short clip of Meg afterwards seeing that the mirror is a 2way mirror, and it slides. Also like when the the Phantom switches the mouth spray, or whatever that is, before Carlotta gets the frog in her throat.... simple explanation of how that happens. Another is you see him cut the ropes to the chandalier - it doesn't just magically fall by itself.

Yes, but what ever happened to the mystery of the Phantom? That's the whole point of him being a "phantom", that he hass mystery and we don't know how he does things.

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-I loved how when we suddenly just heard the phantom's voice, not sure of where it was coming from (such as: the Phantom calling to Christine in the graveyard.... amongst other scenes) it was kinda spooky and ghostly, and in the theatre w/ the surround sound, it was just really cool!!!

They could have worked better with the surround sound giving the Phantom's voice more of an "I'm overhere...no,nowI'm over here... now I'm right next to you" sort of effect. I really disliked how his voice was so omnipresent.

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-I loved the trap door w/ the phantom and christine in "The Point of No Return".

"Point of No Return" is not part of Don Juan!

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-I do have to say that every single one of the major songs were absolutly wonderful!! "Think of Me" "All I Ask Of You" "Wishing You Were Somehow Here Again" "Angel of Music" "Phantom of the Opera" "Point of No Return" "Prima Donna"..etc.. The only thing that bugged me about a few of them were the dynamics at only certain parts, but other than that... wonderful!!!

A lot of the songs, especialy PotO shoulda coulda been a lot more intense. It almost seemed to drole on at parts where it should have been much faster.

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- I really really did love the ending on how Raoul got the monkey to bring to Christine's grave. Omg, i teared up on that part. That was one thing i really liked!! I also like how you saw the rose w/ the ring around it sitting to the side of the headstone too - very good touch.

One word... CHEESY! What did that do the the mystery of where the Phantom went? Ruined it. PotO had a perfect ending as it was.


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PostThu Dec 23, 2004 7:02 pm    

Triam_Paris wrote:
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-I loved the trap door w/ the phantom and christine in "The Point of No Return".

"Point of No Return" is not part of Don Juan!


On the soundtrack, that's what its called, "Point of no return" ... During that scene they're performing Don Juan, amongst some other stuff afterwards. It's during that, that the Phantom takes Christine to his lair, midst performance in Don Juan. here... i went to a website and got the entire set of lyrics off the original musical soundtrack for "Point Of No Return" w/ michael crawford..et all.

As for everything else to what you said... i still stick to what i thought originally , but i don't mind your comments at all - i'm always open to other's thoughts!!

http://www.poplyrics.net/waiguo/soundtrack/phantomoftheopera/016.htm
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THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA SOUNDTRACK LYRICS

The Point of No Return

Here the sire may serve the dam,
here the master takes his meat!
Here the sacrificial lamb
utters one despairing bleat!

Poor young maiden! For the thrill
on your tongue of stolen sweets
you will have to pay the bill -
tangled in the winding sheets!

Serve the meal and serve the maid!
Serve the master so that, when
tables, plans and maids are laid,
Don Juan triumphs once again!
Passarino, faithful friend,
once again recite the plan.

Your young guest believes I'm you -
I, the master, you, the man
When you met you wore my cloak,
with my scarf you hid your face.
She believes she dines with me,
in her master's borrowed place!
Furtively, we'll scoff and quaff,
stealing what, in truth, is mine.
When it's late and modesty
starts to mellow, with the wine ...
You come home! I use your voice -
slam the door like crack of doom!
I shall say: "come - hide with me!
Where, oh, where? Of course - my room!"

Poor thing hasn't got a chance!

Here's my hat, my cloak and sword.
Conquest is assured,
if I do not forget myself and laugh ...

"... no thoughts
within her head,
but thoughts of joy!
No dreams
within her heart
but dreams of love!"

Master?
Passarino - go away!
For the trap is set and waits for its prey ...
You have come here
in pursuit of
your deepest urge,
in pursuit of
that wish,
which till now
has been silent,
silent ...

I have brought you,
that our passions
may fuse and merge -
in your mind
you've already
succumbed to me
dropped all defences
completely succumbed to me -
now you are here with me:
no second thoughts,
you've decided,
decided ...

Past the point
of no return -
no backward glances:
the games we've played
till now are at
an end ...
Past all thought
of "if" or "when" -
no use resisting:
abandon thought,
and let the dream
descend ...

What raging fire
shall flood the soul?
What rich desire
unlocks its door?
What sweet seduction
lies before
us ...?

Past the point
of no return,
the final threshold -
what warm,
unspoken secrets
will we learn?
Beyond the point
of no return ...

You have brought me
to that moment
where words run dry,
to that moment
where speech
disappears
into silence,
silence ...

I have come here,
hardly knowing
the reason why ...
In my mind,
I've already
imagined our
bodies entwining
defenceless and silent -
and now I am
here with you:
no second thoughts,


I've decided,
decided ...

Past the point
of no return -
no going back now:
our passion-play
has now, at last,
begun ...
Past all thought
of right or wrong -
one final question:
how long should we
two wait, before
we're one ...?

When will the blood
begin to race
the sleeping bud
burst into bloom?
When will the flames,
at last, consume
us ...?
Past the point
of no return
the final threshold -
the bridge
is crossed, so stand
and watch it burn ...
We've passed the point
of no return ...

Say you'll share with
me one
love, one lifetime ...
Lead me, save me
from my solitude ...
Say you want me
with you,
here beside you ...
Anywhere you go
let me go too -
Christine
that's all I ask of ...
What is it? What has happened? Ubaldo!
Oh, my God ... my God ...
We're ruined, Andre - ruined!

Monsieur le Vicomte! Come with me!

Oh, my darling, my darling ... who has done
this ...?
You! Why did you let this happen?
Monsieur le Vicomte, I know where they are.
But can I trust you?
You must. But remember: your hand at the level of your
eyes
But why ...?
Why? The Punjab lasso, monsieur. First Buquet.
Now Piangi.
Like this, monsieur. I'll come with you.
No, Meg! No, you stay here!
Come with me, monsieur. Hurry, or we shall be too
late ...



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PostThu Dec 23, 2004 7:06 pm    

I know what it's called and what the lyrics are. But he takes her down to the lair while they're singing it. The movie made it look like the Phantom had actually written it in as part of his Don Juan Opera.

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PostThu Dec 23, 2004 7:18 pm    

Nevermind... see... lol. But whenever I saw it on stage it was always like he took her down to his lair at the beginning of the song.

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PostThu Dec 23, 2004 11:39 pm    

really?! In all the musicals I saw of it, he never took her down till the part when right after he starts to sing an excerpt from "all I ask of you" and then she tears the mask from his face and they disappear from the stage. That's what i always saw in the musicals anyways. Have you ever gotten that really big awesome book on the complete POTO musical? I've borrowed it a couple times from the library. It has some sweet pictures in there and also shows how the phantom's makeup was applied, and all that jazz. Anyways, it also has the entire script in there, and explains what the character is thinking and doing whilst whatever is going on. Anyways, like you know right before Christine come on stage for Don Juan, Ubaldo (i think that's how u spell it or whatever) disappears behind the curtains. (obviously u know this all). Anyways, Christine doesn't know it's actually for sure the phantom till after they together sing
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When will the blood
begin to race
the sleeping bud
burst into bloom?
When will the flames,
at last, consume
us ...?
Past the point
of no return
the final threshold -
the bridge
is crossed, so stand
and watch it burn ...
We've passed the point
of no return ...
At the end of that (although you don't hear it in the soundtrack, or did we see it in the movie b/c Christine noticed right away there it was the phantom), in the 4 times i've seen the musical, Christine always suddenly stops abbruply after the word "return". She kind rushes over to the curtain b/c that's where the gaurds are standing, but they motion for her to go back on stage and continue. (this was all written out in this book mind you). Once she goes back over to the phantom, then the whole "all i ask of you" excerpt happens and then they disappear in a flash. (if there's not a trap door on the stage, they simply run off stage. In London there was the trap door. Here in MN, they had to run off)

It's interesting b/c in the book she just disappears on stage alone... no phantom.
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And Christine, her arms outstretched, her throat filled with music, the glory of her hair falling over her bare shoulders, uttered the divine cry:

"My spirit longs with thee to rest!"

It was at that moment that the stage was suddenly plunged in darkness. It happened so quickly that the spectators hardly had time to utter a sound of stupefaction, for the gas at once lit up the stage again. But Christine Daae was no longer there!


You know what.... I think i finally realized where we're both not understanding one another. You're right, in one case, the Phantom is singing "The Point of No Return" taking her down to his lair. Point of No Return has been in once case said to be from the when the Phantom comes on stage singing "Passarino - go away!
For the trap is set and waits for its prey . . ." and ends at the end of the entire musical. In other instances "Point of No Return" is actually the Don Juan scene. It ends with the Phantom and Christine going down the trap door, and then "Down Once More" begins.

Sorry, i'm definitely NOT trying to start an argument or anything at all if that's what it sounds like, so I really hope you don't think that. Im just trying to make clarity for myself..haha!! Anyways, i'm just gonna stop talking now....



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PostThu Dec 23, 2004 11:50 pm    

This is a random fun thing I remembered driving home from work today. So two of my very very good guy friends from dance, David and Jeremy (they're brothers), well, their mom's brother was the french horn player in the original POTO w/ Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman. He's on the original recording, and did all the shows w/ them. Isn't that cool?! I teach his daughter (Sarah) in a few of my classes. I've met him before, but it's normally Sarah's mom who drives her, so I don't get to see him. Next time I do though at our next dance performance i'm gonna be like OMG!!!!!! Like he knew ALW. Insane huh!!


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PostFri Dec 24, 2004 2:37 am    

I was talking with my dad on the way home from the movie how awesome it would be to actually see the original cast. Wouldn't that just blow you away?

But yeah, then my older brother Dan and I were talking after the movie while we were waiting for everyone to go to the bathroom and he agreed with me, the "point of No Return" was never part of the Phantom's Don Juan opera. But I think you're right. They must do it differently in different shows.


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PostFri Dec 24, 2004 10:56 pm    

omg, it would be absolutly the coolest to see the original cast!! I wish that they would make a video of one of the stage performances... like the group that's touring the usa right now or something. I want like a stage performance video lol!! They do that for so many other shows, i don't get why they won't for this one!!

Oh well! Maybe one of these days!



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PostTue Feb 01, 2005 12:00 pm    

I don't know about you guys, but i really enjoyed that movie

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PostTue Feb 01, 2005 3:07 pm    

Wow... I was just listening to that soundtrack... Love that soundtrack btw. I might gonna go and se that... movie...


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PostWed Feb 02, 2005 1:47 am    

i've seen it twice now... and the movie is slowly growing on me. Trust me I will FOR SURE be buying it when it comes out - i just much rather prefer the live stage performance!

PS! My friend from Germany (i just got it today) for Christmas sent me a huge Banner (made of some clothy material) for this movie!! It's floor to ceiling tall, and almost my arm length in width!! It's SOOO cool! She works at a theater, and got it there I imagine!! One more thing to add to my collection!

This is my POTO collection so far:
~ original book
~ POTO book all about the musical and story and ALW and the entire script..etc
~the coffee mug
~a sweatshirt, the complete soundtrack of the musical and the hilights soundtrack from the musical
~programs and tickets from: the 1996 show here in minneapolis, from the london show, two 2004 minneapolis shows, a 2005 madison, WI show, ~a pamphlet from the show in Madrid
~ a piano book w/ all the hi-lights songs in it (my favs to play are angel of music and wishing you were somehow here again)
~ a collectors program covered in autographs from the performers
~regular programs covered in autographs (one personally signed "To Allie")
~ numerous pictures w/ the main cast members
~ autographed photos of the main cast members in costume
~ a video from when we put on a ballet production of POTO hilights
~ POTO movie banner (cloth material)
~my costume from the POTO dance performance
... lastly (that i can think of)... all the memories of all the performances!



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