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Puck
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 Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:02 pm Get The U.N. Out of the U.S! |
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| Quote: | To: U.S. President George W. Bush
Senate Majority Leader, Bill Frist
Senate Minority Leader, Harry Reid
Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert
House Majority Leader, Tom DeLay
House Majority Whip, Roy Blunt
House Minority Leader, Nancy Pelosi
House Minority Whip, Steny Hoyer
UN Secretary General, Kofi Annan
H.E. Mr. Jean Ping, President, UN General Assembly
During the past several years, the threat facing the United States of America and much of the world from violent terrorist organizations has grown exponentially. While the United Nations is chartered to promote peace, its actions recently have made it an accessory to terrorist crimes.
This calls for straightforward action by the people of the United States to protect our national interest. Americans must demand our government remove the United Nations from our borders and cease serving as the major financial supporter of an organization that has veered from its original purpose.
The United Nations was originally founded according to its charter �to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security.� However, it has become apparent that leading voices in the United Nations have positioned the organization so that it is increasingly a body that sides with those who find the use of terrorism against unarmed and innocent civilians tolerable.
Instead of serving as a rallying point for free nations and free people to unite to combat terrorism, the United Nations has become a safe harbor, apologist and defender of terrorist organizations and their agents.
Recently it has become clear that none other than the UN General Secretary himself, Kofi Annan, has been implicated in covering up the troubling �Oil for Food� scandal, and stonewalling investigators. The so-called �independent audit� of the alleged misdeeds of the UN�s �Oil for Food� program is looking more and more like a whitewash.
Why? Evidence suggests that Mr. Annan and his son, Kojo, may themselves have been involved in wrongdoing in partnership with Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein. High-ranking officials throughout the UN are now suspected of financially benefiting from maintaining Saddam Hussein in power, despite his despotic rule and ties to worldwide terrorism and refusal to accept UN resolutions.
Saddam Hussein served as one of the greatest advocates for international terrorism, yet the United Nations is wrought with individuals who became the greatest obstacles for putting an end to his promotion of international terror.
In the aftermath of Operation Iraqi Freedom, Kofi Annan has added insult to injury by calling the military operation enforcing UN resolutions �illegal.� This is despite a series of resolutions, including Resolution 1441, which stated, �the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations.�
That resolution included a dissenting opinion by three nations. Those nations were France, Russia and China. Evidence has now emerged which implicates those same three nations as being the most actively involved in the UN-Iraq �Oil for Food� corruption scandal.
Money from the �Oil for Food� scheme not only went to pay the families of Palestinian terrorists, and journalists and officials in countries opposing the Iraqi action, but it looks like it also went to purchase the weapons that so called �insurgents� are now using in Iraq to kill coalition forces, Iraqi security forces, and innocent Iraqi civilians.
No longer should the United States of America serve as the host to an institution that serves as a forum for opposition to our national interests. Further, the United States should reexamine the extent of its financial support of such an agency.
The U.S. pays a membership fee to the United Nations of $360 million per year (and billions more in payments to other UN organizations). These are payments made to an organization that is serving as an obstacle in the war against terrorism. That makes no sense, and we must take action to reduce or cancel payment of these fees. [Currently the U.S. pays approximately 22% of the UN�s general budget and 27% of peacekeeping budgets.] |
Click on the link below, or in my signature to sign this petition:
http://www.moveamericaforward.org/?Page=Petition
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:17 pm |
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Agreed 100% Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!
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| Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:54 am |
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Great petition. Get the US out of corruption, evil, and hypocrisy.
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Superman
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| Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:47 pm |
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Those who are dissaprove of the UN will find this article interesting:
http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/031003.htm
It is a commentary by former WWF wrestler, Ultimate Warrior, a Conservative who offers words of wisdom on his site.
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Superman
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| Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:27 pm |
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I'm a bit reluctant to post this in case people think I can't distinguish between reality and fantasy. Well, I can but sometimes fiction and entertainment can teach us many things.
Look at Starfleet in the Star Trek universe. Earth is a perfect world, full of optimism. No pollution, no wars, just peace. Yet, throughout the Star Trek shows, movies and novels, there has been corruption within Starfleet. Admirals have been out for personal gain and corruption has often been exposed.
What is my point? The U.N. is not immune to this. The principles behind the formation of the U.N. and The League of Nations were sound indeed. But human nature is what it is. Even those within the U.N. are not immune to temptation and there is going to be corruption in ANY organisation.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:22 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Great petition. Get the US out of corruption, evil, and hypocrisy. |
Not to mention anti-semetic.
By the way, call it the Un, not the UN. Don't give them the respect they don't deserve.
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Superman
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RM, did you read the link I provided regarding the Un? 
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:44 pm |
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| Starfleet Dentist wrote: | | RM, did you read the link I provided regarding the Un? |
No, I didn't read it. Does it talk about the Un?
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| Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:04 pm |
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I don't like the link to tell you the truth. That man is a racist. Hes go too far.
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Superman
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| Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:14 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | I don't like the link to tell you the truth. That man is a racist. Hes go too far. |
To be honest, I haven't read all the article. I skimmed through it, concentrating only on certain parts. I do intend to read it all at a later date.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:15 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | I don't like the link to tell you the truth. That man is a racist. Hes go too far. |
I somewhat agree...
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IntrepidIsMe
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Tsk, can you imagine how bad it would look if the US dropped the whole UN thing,  Who'd want to be allies with someone who apparently doesn't want to be "United"?
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Puck
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| Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:20 pm |
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United with an organization that passes money to terrorists...uh huh .
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Puck
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| Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:43 pm |
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Good article also Starfleet Dentist...I recommend yall read it  .
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| Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:53 pm |
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I do agree with some points of the article, but I don't think now would be the time to do anything like that.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:14 am Re: Get The U.N. Out of the U.S! |
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There are so many falicies and twists in this document that I got dizzy from reading it.
| Quote: | To: U.S. President George W. Bush
Senate Majority Leader, Bill Frist
Senate Minority Leader, Harry Reid
Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert
House Majority Leader, Tom DeLay
House Majority Whip, Roy Blunt
House Minority Leader, Nancy Pelosi
House Minority Whip, Steny Hoyer
UN Secretary General, Kofi Annan
H.E. Mr. Jean Ping, President, UN General Assembly
During the past several years, the threat facing the United States of America and much of the world from violent terrorist organizations has grown exponentially. While the United Nations is chartered to promote peace, its actions recently have made it an accessory to terrorist crimes.
This calls for straightforward action by the people of the United States to protect our national interest. Americans must demand our government remove the United Nations from our borders and cease serving as the major financial supporter of an organization that has veered from its original purpose. |
Notice how he says "Protecting our national interest." And what about the interests of our allies? Putting ones self before everything else is not only stupid and highly nationalistic, but doing so may insite a war because other countries don't see things the way WE see them.
Twisting of facts: The UN has not veered from its original purpose. The UN is supposed to keep the peace. How is it supposed to do that when We, the US, make false accusations then march into a country, take it over and cause more harm then good?
Over the years since it's establishment, the UN has done more good with humanitarian effort and peace talks. Peace being it's purpose, not to help us start wars.
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The United Nations was originally founded according to its charter �to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security.� However, it has become apparent that leading voices in the United Nations have positioned the organization so that it is increasingly a body that sides with those who find the use of terrorism against unarmed and innocent civilians tolerable.
Instead of serving as a rallying point for free nations and free people to unite to combat terrorism, the United Nations has become a safe harbor, apologist and defender of terrorist organizations and their agents. |
Again, the UN strives for peace, not appeasement. Proper actions were taken at the time. Saddam wasn't a threat to any other country and like all humans he will die.
The UN put sactions on Iraq, then began the "Oil-for-Food" program so people wouldn't STAVE TO DEATH becuase of the heavy sanctions. At the time it was a good idea.
People also seem to forget that it was us, the US who put Saddam in power in the first place.
| Quote: | Recently it has become clear that none other than the UN General Secretary himself, Kofi Annan, has been implicated in covering up the troubling �Oil for Food� scandal, and stonewalling investigators. The so-called �independent audit� of the alleged misdeeds of the UN�s �Oil for Food� program is looking more and more like a whitewash.
Why? Evidence suggests that Mr. Annan and his son, Kojo, may themselves have been involved in wrongdoing in partnership with Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein. High-ranking officials throughout the UN are now suspected of financially benefiting from maintaining Saddam Hussein in power, despite his despotic rule and ties to worldwide terrorism and refusal to accept UN resolutions.
Saddam Hussein served as one of the greatest advocates for international terrorism, yet the United Nations is wrought with individuals who became the greatest obstacles for putting an end to his promotion of international terror. |
More slander of Kofi Annan to make him look bad.
How about our president's whitewash of Iraqi Freedom. He's changed the reason we've gone there about 3-4 times now. When something doesn't go right he picks something else, hoping people will believe. Anyone remember the original reason we went. 3 little letters WMD's. Did we find any NO. what we found were remnants from the Gulf war and Desert Storm.
Umm.. since when has Saddam been an International Terrorist? Last I heard he was a totalitarian Dictator who was more like Stalin. In order to be an international terrorist you have to do things INTERNATIONALLY!
| Quote: | | In the aftermath of Operation Iraqi Freedom, Kofi Annan has added insult to injury by calling the military operation enforcing UN resolutions �illegal.� This is despite a series of resolutions, including Resolution 1441, which stated, �the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations.� |
We went in on flimsy proof with no back up data to support it. It WAS illegal. No WMD's found. continual speculation that there are is like OJ's search for the real killer. It's not there.
| Quote: | That resolution included a dissenting opinion by three nations. Those nations were France, Russia and China. Evidence has now emerged which implicates those same three nations as being the most actively involved in the UN-Iraq �Oil for Food� corruption scandal.
Money from the �Oil for Food� scheme not only went to pay the families of Palestinian terrorists, and journalists and officials in countries opposing the Iraqi action, but it looks like it also went to purchase the weapons that so called �insurgents� are now using in Iraq to kill coalition forces, Iraqi security forces, and innocent Iraqi civilians.
No longer should the United States of America serve as the host to an institution that serves as a forum for opposition to our national interests. Further, the United States should reexamine the extent of its financial support of such an agency. |
"but it looks like it also went to purchase the weapons that so called �insurgents� are now using in Iraq to kill coalition forces, Iraqi security forces, and innocent Iraqi civilians."
Speculation hardly leads to true answers. Most of the weapons used now were stockpiled during the last gulf war or supplied by terrorist factions that have been pis*ed off by the US. But this is another twist to try to get you to see their point.
Again, "our National interests" has been said again. Our national interests should not have to do with appeasement. We should not have to have every country bow to our wishes when we decide to flex our muscles.
| Quote: | | The U.S. pays a membership fee to the United Nations of $360 million per year (and billions more in payments to other UN organizations). These are payments made to an organization that is serving as an obstacle in the war against terrorism. That makes no sense, and we must take action to reduce or cancel payment of these fees. [Currently the U.S. pays approximately 22% of the UN�s general budget and 27% of peacekeeping budgets.] |
Again putting their own interests in front of the interests of the world. Great way to lose allies and gain enemies.
Yawn. WE STARTED THE UN!!! Teh US created the UN, the US built the UN. Now when things dont go our way we tell them to get out? It doesn't work that way in real life folks.
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| Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:41 am Re: Get The U.N. Out of the U.S! |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | There are so many falicies and twists in this document that I got dizzy from reading it.
| Quote: | To: U.S. President George W. Bush
Senate Majority Leader, Bill Frist
Senate Minority Leader, Harry Reid
Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert
House Majority Leader, Tom DeLay
House Majority Whip, Roy Blunt
House Minority Leader, Nancy Pelosi
House Minority Whip, Steny Hoyer
UN Secretary General, Kofi Annan
H.E. Mr. Jean Ping, President, UN General Assembly
During the past several years, the threat facing the United States of America and much of the world from violent terrorist organizations has grown exponentially. While the United Nations is chartered to promote peace, its actions recently have made it an accessory to terrorist crimes.
This calls for straightforward action by the people of the United States to protect our national interest. Americans must demand our government remove the United Nations from our borders and cease serving as the major financial supporter of an organization that has veered from its original purpose. |
Notice how he says "Protecting our national interest." And what about the interests of our allies? Putting ones self before everything else is not only stupid and highly nationalistic, but doing so may insite a war because other countries don't see things the way WE see them.
We have to care about the interest of our allies but they don't have to care about our interest? Wow that works out well....for them.
Twisting of facts: The UN has not veered from its original purpose. The UN is supposed to keep the peace. How is it supposed to do that when We, the US, make false accusations then march into a country, take it over and cause more harm then good?
Over the years since it's establishment, the UN has done more good with humanitarian effort and peace talks. Peace being it's purpose, not to help us start wars.
The UN has veered BADLY. They are corrupt. Kept the peace? At the cost of innocent lives at the hand of an evil dictator? I guess you don't mind that kinda killin do you.
There were no false accusations. In the early 90s Saddam admitted to the UN he had WMD. We haven't caused more harm. Funny how its NEVER the enemies fault to the Bush basahers. Yeah, its not the Islamic terrorist killing our people.
Its done a shi**y job of keeping the peace. It never kept the peace. It let murderous dictators like Castro and Saddam to rule. People are suffering and they turn a blind eye to that. Wow...peace keepers....
| Quote: | The United Nations was originally founded according to its charter �to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security.� However, it has become apparent that leading voices in the United Nations have positioned the organization so that it is increasingly a body that sides with those who find the use of terrorism against unarmed and innocent civilians tolerable.
Instead of serving as a rallying point for free nations and free people to unite to combat terrorism, the United Nations has become a safe harbor, apologist and defender of terrorist organizations and their agents. |
Again, the UN strives for peace, not appeasement. Proper actions were taken at the time. Saddam wasn't a threat to any other country and like all humans he will die.
He was a threat! He had ties to terrorist. He told the Muslim world to rise against us. He kills his own people. Why is that so f*****g complicated for you to understand? He will die? Oh thats nice. Let him go on killing people and assisting those who kill our troops. Its ok. He'll die in a few decades. One of the most sick things I ever heard. For every quick year that goes by for you here in peace, it feels like an eternity for the poor people suffering under his rule. Because of stupid ass mentality like that, Castro is still alive.
The UN put sactions on Iraq, then began the "Oil-for-Food" program so people wouldn't STAVE TO DEATH becuase of the heavy sanctions. At the time it was a good idea.
Ever heard of the Oil-For-Food scandal? Or are you in denial and hope it isn't true? That didn't work. He stole from his people. No one got food.
People also seem to forget that it was us, the US who put Saddam in power in the first place.
We didn't put him in power to allow him to rise up against us and assist terrorists.
| Quote: | Recently it has become clear that none other than the UN General Secretary himself, Kofi Annan, has been implicated in covering up the troubling �Oil for Food� scandal, and stonewalling investigators. The so-called �independent audit� of the alleged misdeeds of the UN�s �Oil for Food� program is looking more and more like a whitewash.
Why? Evidence suggests that Mr. Annan and his son, Kojo, may themselves have been involved in wrongdoing in partnership with Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein. High-ranking officials throughout the UN are now suspected of financially benefiting from maintaining Saddam Hussein in power, despite his despotic rule and ties to worldwide terrorism and refusal to accept UN resolutions.
Saddam Hussein served as one of the greatest advocates for international terrorism, yet the United Nations is wrought with individuals who became the greatest obstacles for putting an end to his promotion of international terror. |
More slander of Kofi Annan to make him look bad.
He does that on his own.
How about our president's whitewash of Iraqi Freedom. He's changed the reason we've gone there about 3-4 times now. When something doesn't go right he picks something else, hoping people will believe. Anyone remember the original reason we went. 3 little letters WMD's. Did we find any NO. what we found were remnants from the Gulf war and Desert Storm.
No he doesn't. Don't lie. There still might be WMD. I don't believe that commision. Are we expected to believe they search every square inch of Iraq? *cough* bullsh*t *cough*
Umm.. since when has Saddam been an International Terrorist? Last I heard he was a totalitarian Dictator who was more like Stalin. In order to be an international terrorist you have to do things INTERNATIONALLY!
Oh I see. Its ok to be totalitatian Dictator but bad to be a terrorist? That makes sense....he assists terrorist. It makes him just as bad.
| Quote: | | In the aftermath of Operation Iraqi Freedom, Kofi Annan has added insult to injury by calling the military operation enforcing UN resolutions �illegal.� This is despite a series of resolutions, including Resolution 1441, which stated, �the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations.� |
We went in on flimsy proof with no back up data to support it. It WAS illegal. No WMD's found. continual speculation that there are is like OJ's search for the real killer. It's not there.
Flimsy proof?  If you say so.....
They still might be there.
| Quote: | That resolution included a dissenting opinion by three nations. Those nations were France, Russia and China. Evidence has now emerged which implicates those same three nations as being the most actively involved in the UN-Iraq �Oil for Food� corruption scandal.
Money from the �Oil for Food� scheme not only went to pay the families of Palestinian terrorists, and journalists and officials in countries opposing the Iraqi action, but it looks like it also went to purchase the weapons that so called �insurgents� are now using in Iraq to kill coalition forces, Iraqi security forces, and innocent Iraqi civilians.
No longer should the United States of America serve as the host to an institution that serves as a forum for opposition to our national interests. Further, the United States should reexamine the extent of its financial support of such an agency. |
"but it looks like it also went to purchase the weapons that so called �insurgents� are now using in Iraq to kill coalition forces, Iraqi security forces, and innocent Iraqi civilians."
Speculation hardly leads to true answers. Most of the weapons used now were stockpiled during the last gulf war or supplied by terrorist factions that have been pis*ed off by the US. But this is another twist to try to get you to see their point.
So you just admitted he has weapons? I thought you said he didn't. Just because they are a decade old doesn't mean they aren't lethal.
Again, "our National interests" has been said again. Our national interests should not have to do with appeasement. We should not have to have every country bow to our wishes when we decide to flex our muscles.
Again I ask we have to bow to foreign nations but they don't have to bow to us? Wrong. Not going to happen.
I think neither side should bow to anyone.
| Quote: | | The U.S. pays a membership fee to the United Nations of $360 million per year (and billions more in payments to other UN organizations). These are payments made to an organization that is serving as an obstacle in the war against terrorism. That makes no sense, and we must take action to reduce or cancel payment of these fees. [Currently the U.S. pays approximately 22% of the UN�s general budget and 27% of peacekeeping budgets.] |
Again putting their own interests in front of the interests of the world. Great way to lose allies and gain enemies.
Well when the World has evil interest above the saftey of our fellow man than I won't mind losing those allies. They made themselves enemies when they supported a murder.
Yawn. WE STARTED THE UN!!! Teh US created the UN, the US built the UN. Now when things dont go our way we tell them to get out? It doesn't work that way in real life folks. |
You somewhat prove a point there. Starting over may not help because it might become just as corrupt as this one. Something must be done though. The other nation's leaders should be punished for helping Saddam.
BTW? I do NOT agree with that article just in case you thought I was defending it. The man who wrote it is a moron.
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Actually the UN has done it's job quite well. Has WWIII come yet? No. Would it have with the US going on all of it's little escapades without the UN? Most likely.
The UN is meant to keep international peace, not pick world leaders.... and like Link said, the US put Saddam in power in the first place, the US trained Bin Laden during the Cold War to fight the Russians, the US trained Castro to get Batista out of power in Cuba. If anything, it's the US who's not doing its job, not the UN.
Still might be WMD? You're haning on to a last hope of despiration that something may clear Bush's name for going into Iraq without a reason. First it was WMD, then you changed it to being there so you can oust Saddam, then you decided that isn't going to well, so it's off to try and stabalize a country and bring democracy to a country that obviously doesn't want the US there if they keep fighting back.
Bush is having people killed everyday. Innocent Iraqis are dying to the hands of American troops everyday, you just don't hear about it much in the US, because we can't having anything make the world's greatest freedom fighter Bush look bad.
Obviously was "flimsy proof " if the army has been in there for 2 years and still hasn't found WMD and has completely abandonned that reason for being in Iraq.
You know why Bush changed the name of "Rogue Nations" in the US to "Axis of evil" ? Because under Geneva Convention laws, the US is classified as a Rogue Nation.
Keep the UN right where it is!
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the USA is not united, so they don't fit in the UN.
As UN we are here too remind YOU too get into the United Nations. Now show me the Nation, Shoooooow me the Nation.
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| Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:24 pm |
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But the US supported Saddam during the Cold war, didn't they?
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| Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:58 pm |
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| lionhead wrote: | the USA is not united, so they don't fit in the UN.
As UN we are here too remind YOU too get into the United Nations. Now show me the Nation, Shoooooow me the Nation. |
LOOK ON A WORLD MAP, you see that land that says "United States Of America"? the one north of Mexico, and south of Canada? Thats the Nation. We Are united in everyway, Just becuase certian states allow something while others dont, or where some states belive or have diffrent values the others doesnt mean were not united. When the founding fathers of the USA created this great countrie, they new everyone would have a diffrent veiw of things, and here in america, all veiws are taken into consideration and then voted apon, Everyone has a say, Thats what makes this countrie so great.
And as far as the UN thing, I SAY GET THE HELL OFF OF AMERICAN SOIL!
Let us use that space for more industrie or homes. The UN IS A DISGRACE it use to mean something, NOW ITS JUST A ICON
"The UN dosent approve of this or that blah blah blah"
WHO CARES!?
EVEN IF THE UN DOESNT APPROVE THAT COUNTRIES STILL GOING TO DO IT.........
LIKE SADAM....... im not even going to get started on that subject....
funny thing is im only 15.......
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lionhead
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| Micteth-Son of Udas wrote: | | lionhead wrote: | the USA is not united, so they don't fit in the UN.
As UN we are here too remind YOU too get into the United Nations. Now show me the Nation, Shoooooow me the Nation. |
LOOK ON A WORLD MAP, you see that land that says "United States Of America"? the one north of Mexico, and south of Canada? Thats the Nation. We Are united in everyway, Just becuase certian states allow something while others dont, or where some states belive or have diffrent values the others doesnt mean were not united. When the founding fathers of the USA created this great countrie, they new everyone would have a diffrent veiw of things, and here in america, all veiws are taken into consideration and then voted apon, Everyone has a say, Thats what makes this countrie so great.
And as far as the UN thing, I SAY GET THE HELL OFF OF AMERICAN SOIL!
Let us use that space for more industrie or homes. The UN IS A DISGRACE it use to mean something, NOW ITS JUST A ICON
"The UN dosent approve of this or that blah blah blah"
WHO CARES!?
EVEN IF THE UN DOESNT APPROVE THAT COUNTRIES STILL GOING TO DO IT.........
LIKE SADAM....... im not even going to get started on that subject....
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Wow, wow, wow. keep it down man. I wasn't tlaking about the tates (well i was, but that not the point)
what i mean is that without europe you didn't even exist, and what are the thanks we get? Nothing. sure you might helped us in WW 2 but thats no excuse for all the stings you guys did wrong. I recall you guys having a huge Civil war over there just because of 1 race diffrence. Plus you fought against another race with weapons they could only dream about and then you started whining that you're own men where dying. eventually you totally annihilated the race a put them into little reserves. Pretending you where doing them any good.
And lets not talk other faults: Nixon, Bush, the manhattan project, vietnam, korea and the gulf war.
So you just pipe down mister.
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| lionhead wrote: | | Micteth-Son of Udas wrote: | | lionhead wrote: | the USA is not united, so they don't fit in the UN.
As UN we are here too remind YOU too get into the United Nations. Now show me the Nation, Shoooooow me the Nation. |
LOOK ON A WORLD MAP, you see that land that says "United States Of America"? the one north of Mexico, and south of Canada? Thats the Nation. We Are united in everyway, Just becuase certian states allow something while others dont, or where some states belive or have diffrent values the others doesnt mean were not united. When the founding fathers of the USA created this great countrie, they new everyone would have a diffrent veiw of things, and here in america, all veiws are taken into consideration and then voted apon, Everyone has a say, Thats what makes this countrie so great.
And as far as the UN thing, I SAY GET THE HELL OFF OF AMERICAN SOIL!
Let us use that space for more industrie or homes. The UN IS A DISGRACE it use to mean something, NOW ITS JUST A ICON
"The UN dosent approve of this or that blah blah blah"
WHO CARES!?
EVEN IF THE UN DOESNT APPROVE THAT COUNTRIES STILL GOING TO DO IT.........
LIKE SADAM....... im not even going to get started on that subject....
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Wow, wow, wow. keep it down man. I wasn't tlaking about the tates (well i was, but that not the point)
what i mean is that without europe you didn't even exist, and what are the thanks we get? Nothing. sure you might helped us in WW 2 but thats no excuse for all the stings you guys did wrong. I recall you guys having a huge Civil war over there just because of 1 race diffrence. Plus you fought against another race with weapons they could only dream about and then you started whining that you're own men where dying. eventually you totally annihilated the race a put them into little reserves. Pretending you where doing them any good.
And lets not talk other faults: Nixon, Bush, the manhattan project, vietnam, korea and the gulf war.
So you just pipe down mister. |
Without Europe we wouldn't exist? America isn't made up of Europeans. Its made up of many races. Europe contributed but thats it. Thanks? WTF are you talking about? The US owes no one anything. The US owes the worlds thanks if it owes anyone. Europe did not form the US. What country are you from? I hope not England. You people have more skeletons in your closet than many countries combined. How dare you say we can't make up the wrong we did. Learn about our history before you bitch about it. We didn't have a Civil War over a difference in one race. The war was fought because states were seceding. The slavery issue was important but not the whole war. Besides, whats wrong with having a war to liberate a people? Oh I forgot you support Saddam. You like oppressing people. We didn't start a war. 9/11 happened first genius. We were attacked first. If you are refering to Iraq, I already said Saddam admitted to having WMD to the UN. So I guess their "dream" came true. We aren;t whining about our losses. Its acutally Europe who keeps bitching about things they have no business to talk about. Bringing democracy is SO evil.
You pipe down and get off your high horse.
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| Valathous wrote: | Actually the UN has done it's job quite well. Has WWIII come yet? No. Would it have with the US going on all of it's little escapades without the UN? Most likely.
I seriously doubt the UN is whats preventing WWIII.
Oh yes...the evil US. Fighting back terrorist after we were hit first. How dare we fight back!? We're bringing about WWIII! Thank goodness the UN is here to save us.....
The UN is meant to keep international peace, not pick world leaders.... and like Link said, the US put Saddam in power in the first place, the US trained Bin Laden during the Cold War to fight the Russians, the US trained Castro to get Batista out of power in Cuba. If anything, it's the US who's not doing its job, not the UN.
Like I said before, the US did not put them in power with the intention of letting these people murder innocents. We aren't doing out job? How so? Because we can't see the future? *smacks forehead* Of course! We should have known how they would have turned out! I guess its Bush's fault he didn't assign Jedi to his cabinet.....
Still might be WMD? You're haning on to a last hope of despiration that something may clear Bush's name for going into Iraq without a reason. First it was WMD, then you changed it to being there so you can oust Saddam, then you decided that isn't going to well, so it's off to try and stabalize a country and bring democracy to a country that obviously doesn't want the US there if they keep fighting back.
Thats bullsh*t. He didn't jump from reason to reason. He gave all those reasons in the beginning. I seriously doubt you watched every speech Bush made. Hanging on to last hope? Kindal ike how the Liberals are by always recounting an election they lost? Funny you don't mention that. Funny how you believe these people somehow searched the country. You all of course heartily agree because they say what you want to hear. No one here once said they wanted Bush's name to be cleared. It doesn't need to be.
Bush is having people killed everyday. Innocent Iraqis are dying to the hands of American troops everyday, you just don't hear about it much in the US, because we can't having anything make the world's greatest freedom fighter Bush look bad.
Oh yes! Bush is evil! America is evil! Welcome to the Liberal mind set. America=source of all evil in the world. We aren't fighting terrorist! We are killing innocent people for fun! Our soldiers are getting blown up by honorable martyrs! Our soldiers are only getting what they deserved right? They are fighting an enemy that killed countless innocents on 9/11. Who cares though right? Less Americans in the world=good. There are no innocent Americans getting killed! Beheadings by terrorist? People crying on the televesion begging to be freed? Getting their heads sawed off? Bush propaganda. Its all fake. The worlds believes America=evil and yet they can't comprehend why the US doesn't want to wipe their asses without their consent. "Why doesn't the US listen to us!? Was it because we said they were evil? Surely not...."
We don't hear about it because America doesn't want to make Bush look bad!?
Have you seen out media? Its nothing but morons bashing Bush. I seriously doubt they would hide anything. Was Abu Ghraib not revealed? What about killing the unarmed Iraqi? Why do they show that but not the alleged killing of other innocents?
Obviously was "flimsy proof " if the army has been in there for 2 years and still hasn't found WMD and has completely abandonned that reason for being in Iraq.
The army isn't there to look for WMD.
They are doing this crazy thing called fighting the enemy. Im not going to reiterate my reason as to why we haven't found them again. I said it too many times.
You know why Bush changed the name of "Rogue Nations" in the US to "Axis of evil" ? Because under Geneva Convention laws, the US is classified as a Rogue Nation.
Um no.
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Wow, let's examine facts:
The U.N. sponsors terrorism.
The U.N. through oil for food was paying for people to be killed.
Some resolutions which Iraq had been violating for years were CHAPTER VII-calling for the use of force if necessary...where was the UN on that?
France, Russia, and Germany didn't want to go to war because they were making money off of Saddam.
Money made by Saddam through oil-for-food was probably used to buy weapons which are now being used by none other than insurgents...and you whine Bush is having people killed.
Saddam tortured people. He attempted genocide. He put people into cells nude, and acid dripped slowly, sparadically form the ceiling causing slow painful death. I would post a pic, but I think it is a bit inappropriate.
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| Quote: | | the USA is not united, so they don't fit in the UN. |
^Think before you speak. Clearly you aren't an American.
| Quote: | Actually the UN has done it's job quite well. Has WWIII come yet? No.
Wow...that is your definition of good job...not letting the world go to war...okkkkkk.
Would it have with the US going on all of it's little escapades without the UN? Most likely.
Suddenly preventing terrorism is going on escapades...I thought the U.S.A was alowed to defend itself...or is that "frowned upon" now?
The UN is meant to keep international peace, not pick world leaders.... and like Link said, the US put Saddam in power in the first place, the US trained Bin Laden during the Cold War to fight the Russians, the US trained Castro to get Batista out of power in Cuba. If anything, it's the US who's not doing its job, not the UN.
So fighting the Soviets was not our job? I am confused...Go back to the top and read the facts so you can get it strait.
Still might be WMD? You're haning on to a last hope of despiration that something may clear Bush's name for going into Iraq without a reason. First it was WMD, then you changed it to being there so you can oust Saddam, then you decided that isn't going to well, so it's off to try and stabalize a country and bring democracy to a country that obviously doesn't want the US there if they keep fighting back.
Since when is the country fighting back? It is Saddam loyalists and Muslim extremists the entire country is not fighting back. Besides...the UN is so big on passing judgement on the US...where was this judgement when Saddam was violating the Chapter VII resolutions or when he was attempting genocide may I ask?
Bush is having people killed everyday. Innocent Iraqis are dying to the hands of American troops everyday, you just don't hear about it much in the US, because we can't having anything make the world's greatest freedom fighter Bush look bad.
Well YOU haven't heard of oil for food...of course with the rest of the world so wanting to make the US look bad I wouldn't expect your media to tell you anything about that. Besides...what do you call genocide. It's ok to kill people when you are the ruler of the country they are citizens in?
Obviously was "flimsy proof " if the army has been in there for 2 years and still hasn't found WMD and has completely abandonned that reason for being in Iraq.
You know why Bush changed the name of "Rogue Nations" in the US to "Axis of evil" ? Because under Geneva Convention laws, the US is classified as a Rogue Nation.
Or perhaps because oh I don't knoooooow they were evil. Of course...maybe you are just so intellectual you can reason genocide in your mind?
Keep the UN right where it is!
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