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Jeremy
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| Exalya wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: |
...declare true war? From what I've been told, we haven't declared "war" since WWII... |
Not true. Korea, Afghanistan, and Iraq, for instance, were REAL wars. Those are just things that the libs like to drive through you. |
...hmn. Well, I have to check that out, now, unfortunately, 'cause either you or my teacher is incorrect.  (...and yes, I will check it out...not that I don't trust ya', but I have to find out myself anyway..)[/quote]
Your teacher is correct, there hasn't been a war declared properly since WW2. There has been numerous armed conflicts, but proper wars, nope.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:30 pm |
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But the Congress voted for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. That's what I think is a declaration of war.
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Jeremy
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| Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:02 am |
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It's exactly the same thing apart from no compensation has to be paid at the end or something like that. One of those weird political things.
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Founder
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| Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:12 pm |
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Yes someone did win. Bush won. 
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Defiant
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| Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:39 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: |
First off, that is a DECLARATION OF WAR that he needs approval for. Vietnam wasn't a true "war" in the sense--it was a police action. However, if you add it up, the President is the most powerful single man in the world, but yes, the Congress MAY be more powerful, but I think that the Legislative and Execuitive brances are the strongest. Remember: Legislative makes the laws, Executive passes and enforces the laws, and the Judicial system interprets the law (or so it's supposed to). |
Actually, he needs to alert congress of troop deployment within a certain amount of days. Something they came up with during 'Nam. And this war isn't a true war either, as I'm sure you know. And Congress is legislature. Whether or not it is the most powerful isn't exactly the argument. It is supposed to be most powerful, and was built to be most powerful. For practical purposes, unless we get rid of the fillibusters, it will continue to dawdle on issues. I won't argue with you on the one part of it, though...the President is the most powerful individual person, in a number of respects. |
If you're talking the War in Iraq, it IS a real war. Congress approved it and declared War with Iraq. But yeah. |
...declare true war? From what I've been told, we haven't declared "war" since WWII... |
Not true. Korea, Afghanistan, and Iraq, for instance, were REAL wars. Those are just things that the libs like to drive through you. |
NO, those were not wars. They were executive orders by the President. Not a declaration of war by congress. Get your facts straight.
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Arellia
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| Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:45 pm |
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Not executive orders. That doesn't apply to war. The president got clearance to use force from congress. Not exactly the same as war, but it was a manner of approval...
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:47 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | Not executive orders. That doesn't apply to war. The president got clearance to use force from congress. Not exactly the same as war, but it was a manner of approval... |
Sure. I've always thought that we declared war, but you're probably right. It was NOT, either way, a police action. Remember, Kerry voted for the war?
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Defiant
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Thats just the term they use. They actually just voted to approve the use of force and sending troops. It is not a declaration of war. It was a campaign.
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